EPTif his scum, mafia would not push for his lynch.
if his not scum. he would be a true grey for mafia as well.
Do we push to lynch him, do we keep him, do we shoot him?
I'm inclined to believe VE is a vet but given TL mafia LV. lol
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
if his scum, mafia would not push for his lynch. if his not scum. he would be a true grey for mafia as well. Do we push to lynch him, do we keep him, do we shoot him? I'm inclined to believe VE is a vet but given TL mafia LV. lol | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch. I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:34 furerkip wrote: That doesn't make sense, they correlate exactly. Scumslips = scum play and scumminess because scumslips are evidence for scumminess and scum play. Very alien experience from where I usually play, this game I mean. I just showed you examples of where 'scumslips' were done by townies. Perhaps you have a different experience where you play, but I'm going off by my own experience here and that has been that it's overwhelmingly been town that have made scumslips, so my opinion of them is very low. In your experience, if the mafia are lurkers, then obviously they won't scum slip... they aren't even active -___-. Also, that is entirely circumstantial and baseless evidence for why we shouldn't lynch based off scumslips. "See, people here were town, but they scum slipped!" My point is that of all the scumslips I've seen, there have perhaps been one or two made by mafia, and the rest by town. Therefore I have seen empirical evidence that suggests scumslips are bogus. Unless you have a good argument for this not to be the case, I'm going to give no weight to said scumslips. Okay, I have a question for all of you: Under what evidence should we lynch people, if not for scumslips? Illogical, contradictory play, like I said in the post you just quoted. People that continuously tunnel one player without giving their opinion on others, people that exhibit an intentional disregard of logic to make one player look scummy, and people that do not contribute to make said players contribute so we have something to go off on. On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote: I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play. it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town. Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece. Very strange comment, but this feels a lot like newbie town and not so much like mafia to me. I don't think this is something a newbie mafia would say because mafia wants to fit into town and this is a statement that looks somewhat hostile to town, something I don't expect a newbie mafia to do. On June 05 2012 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm trying to decide if kips motivation is coming from a scum standpoint. On the one hand the suggestion that getting rid of "retarded townies" is somehow beneficial to town is blatantly anti-town and at worst indicative of furerkip pushing a mafia agenda. However, newer players get it in their mind somehow that the actions of townies can damage town somehow worse than the very real consequence of their death, which is shortening the game. Town's aim needs to be lengthening the game, not shortening it. That's why we aim for scum every single lynch, because every scum lynch increases the number of days the game lasts. What gets me the most about furerkip is the fact that he is operating under the assumption that we're clear to "kill a retarded townie" under the assumption that we have "1 Mislynch we can work with". It's in this post... On June 05 2012 07:37 furerkip wrote: On another note as to why I think VisceraEyes should be lynched, is because if there are 4 mafia, and 12 players, then we have 1 Mislynch we can work with, which is fine to use on retarded townies. That's just my belief when I play though. Anyone want to add anything? ...I don't understand the motivation behind this post. Like, as a townie, I'm not thinking in terms of how many townies we can kill before it's game over. I'm thinking in terms of killing scum. I aim for killing scum with the lynch, and so the number of townies "we can safely kill before LYLO" isn't even a concern to me because that number increases every lynch by my expectation, not decreases. However, all of that being said, I can see him being a newer town not really knowing what's best for town, yet acting like he does to try and establish his innocence, which IS a mark in his favor where I'm concerned. Also it doesn't make sense for scum to be so brashly antagonistic so early in the game, though I am NOT ruling it out. Ultimately, I'd be interested to see what furerkip has to say about people other than me before coming to a conclusion about where I think he's coming from. Obviously my view is skewed of him right now because his only act in the game has been attacking me. What does everyone else think about furerkip? His stance on my claim is a pretty good one to discuss, what are your thoughts on his interpretation of my claim? I agree with the idea that he's probably newbie town. I don't feel like what he's posted is indicative of a scum agenda and it feels more like a townie going off on what he thinks is mafia. He's also agreed to let it go for now and not tunnel which I believe is a pro town thing to do. On June 05 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm going to suggest we policy-lynch Katina if she doesn't prove her worth to town by providing us with some sort of content to be held accountable for if we are unable to find a suitable scummy candidate. Her meta shows that she's going to lurk regardless of her alignment, so I'd really rather just lynch her now before she becomes dangerous late-game (ya I know ur dangerous late-game suck it) if she's scum. Many of you have played with her before and know how frustrating not being able to determine her alignment can be. I submit Katina as our fall-back lynch unless she's able to satisfactorily contribute to today's discussion. @Katina Don't look at it as me trying to kill you. Look at it as me trying to get you to post. But keep in mind that I will try and kill you if you don't. ^^ She'll get the same treatment from me as other lurkers do; Post or risk getting lynched. I expect her posting quality to be of a higher standard than a lot of the other lurkers though. On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote: I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him. Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch. I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip. I disagree, there's a lot of reason for VE to claim Miller if he's mafia, and he isn't a godfather + there isn't a framer in play. He's very likely to get checked in the duration of this game, and this way he assures that he won't be checked. There is plenty of reason for a scum VE to claim this and therefore I don't believe this claim to be indicative of any alignment. Though I agree that Furer has been somewhat anti-town, is there anything about his behaviour that you'd attribute more to being scum rather than newbie town? If so, can you point it out? To everyone that hasn't posted yet: I'd like your opinions on VE and Furer. Especially from Katina. I'd also like to hear more about Furer from Blazinghand. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote: @artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked. As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit. Well you apparently havent been reading someone's recent games. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role. Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started. Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia. I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm also suspicious of ghost. Again, very wishy-washy and very non-committal. Although he seems to be aware of what's happening, he's very absent. He claims to buy my claim, but is content to discuss it ad nauseum. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote: @artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked. As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit. I don't like your reasons for buying VE's claim. I don't see how you expecting him to live 72 hours at most effects VE claims, especially when you check his history. In fact, if he never expects to live more than 72 hours he probably wouldn't sign up to the game to begin with, but he did so I'm assuming he wants to win the game regardless of alignment, and this is a good move both as town and mafia for reasons I've stated before. You've also promised reasons why Furer is scum and haven't given them yet despite there barely being any posts in the game so far. Can't imagine that'd take very long, so until then: ##FoS: ghost_403 To Pandain: Expecting VE not to bring attention to himself regardless of his role is like expecting Kenpachi to make a post consisting of more than 2 lines. It's not going to happen, that's the kind of game he plays. I like your reasoning on Furer though and agree with it. I find it unlikely he is mafia for the time being. I agree that MrZentor has been wishy washy. I haven't played any previous games with him though so I don't know where to put him at. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote: I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him. Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch. I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip. My schedule is to make one post a day and this is it GG. Kiddding!!!!! Okay, I'm going to point a FOS at mr Blazinghand. His play so far has not been normal for him. He is usually very aggressive day one when he's town and so far he has been fitting in and not drawing a lot of attention to himself. As for VE, he is also on my list of suspects. He comes in and claims Miller right off the bat and causes the whole thread to focus on that instead of looking for the rest of the Mafia. He also came at me with the defense that I am a strong player later in the game so lynch me now? Most interesting. It's stupid to want to policy lynch me, it's pushing a Mafia agenda. Could you ever imagine a town trying to push for a policy lynch? But for now my vote is going to Blazinghand. He is trying to play too "normally" ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: ghost_403 I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch? PEdit: Welcome Katina! I'm not scum, don't be silly! Could you expand on why playing "normally" is a scumtell please? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
@Hyaach, Shraft, furer: I've never even seen your names around here. What are all your experiences like with forum mafia and do you have links to some of your games? I agree that MrZentor and ghost are playing what I'd deem cautious. I'd really like to hear more from MrZentor though, as he seemed cautious even before the game started (asking wbg if he could be in the game, etc.) Also, I do know that blazinghand has a fairly good reputation around here and while he had a lot of good advice for furer day 1, he neglected to inform any of us his opinion on whether furer was acting from a mafia or town point of view. @blazinghand: How about putting some solid opinions down in the thread, or are you scum? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I expect more out of blazinghand than out of ghost. I'll go back and read some of ghost's other games later this afternoon, but for now: ##Vote blazinghand | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Blzinghand would you perchance have drawn a mafia role this time my brother? | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay, that's fair I think. I haven't read the analysis in question or anything, but if what you're saying is true then I'm down with a ghost lynch. ##Vote: ghost_403 I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch? PEdit: Welcome Katina! I'm not scum, don't be silly! Could you expand on why playing "normally" is a scumtell please? Hello, VE! If only I could take your word for that, dear. Anyone who has played with Blazinghand knows how he is. He posts pictures, calls people retarded and isn't afraid to go after anyone and everyone. Look at just about any of his games and you will see this. This game he has been under the radar and I don't feel like going into a corner and crying because of his lovely posts. That is what I mean by "normally" for Blazinghand On May 03 2012 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: No explanation? Really? Suck on a vote. You can't just vote someone without any reasoning whatsoever. Scum is not allowed to hide in my shadow. I will illuminate you and force you into the brightness of day. Scum. ##unvote ##vote: grush57 This was a post from Mafia LIV where he was a blue role. He is not afraid to tell people to Suck things or call them out on their retardedness. He is very vocal about his opinions and will make sure you and everyone else knows it. On April 09 2012 01:51 Blazinghand wrote: Good morning ladies and gentlemen! At first you were probably like "what are we going to do?" but then you realized BH is here to save you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E5GUT.png) So I'm gonna go over this hard and fast, just like you like it baby 4F starts off in what is my opinion a wholly unlikeable and anti town fashion: link He almost immediately retracts his unbelievably bad idea, which I would give him credit for if he had any reason for other than "I don't want to get lynched, as I am scum and my wincon requires me not to get lynched" (link) and I find his vote on S.T to be entirely unsatisfactory, much like my last girlfriend was (link) "Why is it unsatisfactory blzinghand" Here I show you. his reasoning for the S.T vote is a crappy quote a short, unfocused case. Was S.T a bit too wordy in his reply? Verbose in his defense? Well, then that's in S.T's court, surely. But let's take a look at S.T's filter for a moment:S.T Oh hay S.T is in fact a lurker. So... 4F doesn't like the idea of lynching a lurker, he says "lurkers are a weak faction" and that going after them is what scum would do. Personally I think that's wrong. But even assuming that's right, isn't that exactly what 4F is doing? "What's going on here blzinghand I don't understand" Well, S.T is a lurker. Does he have some posts? yeah. but he's posted fuck all shit this entire game. Your post count doesn't determine your lurker status, your content count does. Assuming 4F is wrong, well, he's a moron scum trying to lynch someone who's inadequately defended himself. And assuming his thoughts on lurkers are right, then he's scum since he's trying to push a lurker lynch. Either way... ##vote fourface please detour in my direction, my brother. This is from Mafia LI. He was town in this game and this is one of the posts he opened with Day one. Notice the picture and how Godly Blazinghand portrays himself as town. Again here he likes to use mean words to express his feelings and opinions and is not afraid of being wrong. He is also a silly man in the way he posts. He uses sarcasm and other silliness expressions or lines. This game he has not done that. | ||
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