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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 28 2012 21:28 GMT
#24
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 30 2012 13:55 GMT
#94
I fully agree we should form a plan for the poisons. As it's already been said some of them are looking very dangerous. One thing I'm not sure about is if we can just remove two because it wont go past day5. If there is a medic save or just for theory for whatever reason the mafia decides not to kill anyone it could prolong the game into that zone. So I think it might be a safer to not leave for example these
-The mafia team recieves a secret hidden vote
-Majority + 1 is required for a sucessful lynch

for that window. I do however see it as unlikely that it will come to day 7 so we can probably safely remove 1.

For the voting I'm not sure if one power is stronger then the others but I agree that we're probably better of not sharing our votes ahead of time (so we use the encryption system) because I don't think any power we give the mafia will be more advantagous for us then not letting them know what we're giving them.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 30 2012 14:18 GMT
#97
Just a thought, if scum votes anything but 1-1-1 in a secret vote it opens up the posssibility for them to get busted for lying.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 30 2012 17:54 GMT
#110
Dearest Kurumi, I am Mr. Lovett. lets make some Radpie.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 30 2012 23:09 GMT
#146
PM encryption
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##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ GTOWD APBBB UCOUL KFCJU KKUER GWVNB AAGIP UKTTS TXOTO UARUM
BUSUL WHIIK SNUBT CUNGL AMKNU KIUPA KAESW LRCWN VFWGM AZZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 31 2012 16:28 GMT
#184
Key:
Laughing Jack

Encryption:
##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ GTOWD APBBB UCOUL KFCJU KKUER GWVNB AAGIP UKTTS TXOTO UARUM
BUSUL WHIIK SNUBT CUNGL AMKNU KIUPA KAESW LRCWN VFWGM AZZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message

Decrypted: Roleblocker
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 01 2012 13:02 GMT
#241
I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie.
On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 01 2012 22:24 GMT
#302
I've been away. I apologise for those of you who care about apologies. My time have disappeared before me and I haven't put down almost anything into this game YET.

Vote: Zephirdd

And hey, wbg thinks I'm scum so you should consider me confirmed townie.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 02 2012 16:01 GMT
#379
On June 02 2012 11:08 Radfield wrote:
and another swing and a miss day 1 for me

A last minute-switch that went wrong, well this is new.
Remember we don't know zeps alignment so we need to tread carefully when analysing the switch.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 03 2012 00:39 GMT
#409
No point in voting anything else.
##vote: 1
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 03 2012 14:50 GMT
#444
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 03 2012 15:29 GMT
#449
On June 03 2012 23:55 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).

So you think that wherebugsgo was correct with his reads and we should lynch into them?
What? He wasn't a dt, he was a vt and it was D1.

He died brainiac, and it wasn't the flu. Sure he was a veteran and that makes him a target but why would they kill him if all his targets were town. If they have a town veteran beeing suspicious at other townies thats a goldmine for the mafia. Making the townies fight and push lynches amongst themselves. They don't kill their own goldmines regardless of how feared scumhunters they are. And wbg is known to be an exellent scumplayer not an amazing scumhunter.

@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 03 2012 15:36 GMT
#451
No I think they killed him because he was on to something which is the most logical explaination. Kurumi why do you think they killed wbg? I'm starting to feel that what you're saying is 'the scumteam isn't playing optimal and that's why they killed wbg'.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 03 2012 16:51 GMT
#458
On June 04 2012 00:52 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 00:28 Kurumi wrote:
On June 04 2012 00:08 Zephirdd wrote:
On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).


1. You're basically saying that town will stab itself on the foot by lynching me -_-
2. That makes no sense. Wbg is a known veteran and obvious target; Radfield and Kurumi, even though are veterans, have suspicion over eachother(or that's how I see it). Besides, we don't know your alignment; As far as we know, you killed wbg because you thought he'd find you.


Also, with noone claiming to be roleblocked so far, I think it's safe to assume the mafia got a Framer. This is specially true because I wasn't roleblocked even though I "basically" had blueclaimed. Kurumi not being roleblocked/killed isn't incredible, however: mafia knows if there is any Vigilante in game, and Kurumi claiming vigilante would only mean to them "lol fakeclaim" if there is no vigilante in the setup.



Not sure what to make about prplhz and toadestern. Zero time to make real long-term analysis, but Toad making such a huge fancy case against prplhz and not answering his rebuttal seems odd. Toad, do you still think prplhz is scum?

Also, prpl
Your conclusion is pretty silly, but overall your analysis is so bullshit that I'm a little less worried about you now.

Why would you be worried about someone making a case on you?

To whom it may concern: What is your opinion on Toades/Kurumi X prplhz?

My opinion is that Toadesstern is making a bad case and trying to push for a mislynch. Kurumi gives very little reasoning to his posts, and tunnels himself on a player of choice(Radfield day0/1, prplhz night1/day1). prplhz has answered most of the questions with reasonable responses.

Go you~

Explain the bolded for me because I just don't understand it


Will do.



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On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
On June 03 2012 23:55 Kurumi wrote:
On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).

So you think that wherebugsgo was correct with his reads and we should lynch into them?
What? He wasn't a dt, he was a vt and it was D1.

He died brainiac, and it wasn't the flu. Sure he was a veteran and that makes him a target but why would they kill him if all his targets were town. If they have a town veteran beeing suspicious at other townies thats a goldmine for the mafia. Making the townies fight and push lynches amongst themselves. They don't kill their own goldmines regardless of how feared scumhunters they are. And wbg is known to be an exellent scumplayer not an amazing scumhunter.

@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.


[1]So, you are saying that wbg, not being a good scumhunter according to you, found scum on his "list". A list that includes not only me, Navillus(town) and Kurumi, but you as well. Then he dies.

[2]Then you decided to use that as an argument against me, when that same argument can be used against you. An argument that says "wbg has a suspicion on you so you killed him because of that".

You said it had to be because of me because "you" know you are town. Well, guess what: we don't know you are town and the argument can be sent back at you.

(not to mention all the lurking and lack of reasoning for your accusations)

Also you seem less confident than usual risk. What's wrong, afraid of something? Are you scum?

[1]I'm saying that wbg isn't feared for his scumhuntingskills which makes the reasoning that they killed him because they feared he migh step up his game (as kurumi put it) weak and very unlikely. Wbg not beeing a legendary scumhunter does not make him worthless at or unable to find scum. It doesn't have anything to do with his reputation. So yeah, looking at the reads of the person the mafia decided was a threat and killed is a legitimate strategy. It's infact very standard. 101, basics.

[2]lol yes zephirdd, you could say the same about me but for some reason you're not, feel free to enlighten me why? And for me it changes nothing I know what I know. So your point is what? That what I say is true but I can't prove it?

Zep, a question. Why do you choose to defend yourself with the your-case-is-bad/inadequate, rather then the I-am-innocent approach.

Kurumi I think the only way you know how to roast things is the sicilian style.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 04 2012 15:23 GMT
#530
Lets just assume we don't have a medic instead of using that as an excuse to justify scum-kills. If any of you were scum, would you give town a medic? That's like sabotaging for yourself so can we please assume the scum did not sabotage for themself and did not give us a medic.

Radfield, since you've ignored my post. Why do you think they killed wbg?

I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 04 2012 20:06 GMT
#552
On June 05 2012 00:59 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Lets just assume we don't have a medic instead of using that as an excuse to justify scum-kills. If any of you were scum, would you give town a medic? That's like sabotaging for yourself so can we please assume the scum did not sabotage for themself and did not give us a medic.

Radfield, since you've ignored my post. Why do you think they killed wbg?



How did I ignore your post? Which post are you even talking about, please show me.

I'm not really interested in why bugs died. He's a good enough player that him getting shot N1 is fairly irrelevant. He's also the kind of player who has weak D1 reads, and then get startlingly accurate as the game goes on(as long as he doesn't get sidetracked).

I also don't think scum realized medic was the strongest role we could have. On the surface it looks weak, as most medics miss, and it can't confirm townies or catch scum. Especially if they think they were getting roleblocker, then medic might seem like the least of the evils.


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I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.


Your resistance to lynching Toad is noted. Please state specifically which parts of my case you find strong or weak.

Also, who is your alternative, still Zeph based off of WBG's accusations?
Zephirdd
I'm starting to doubt my read on zeph. When I analyzed him logicaly I felt confident in my read. Today when I reread his filter I'm feeling. It feels as he is sincere. Especially his last posts. I'm starting to lean more to it's just bad play rather then scum-agenda.
Ignoring and other stuff
What I ment with ignoring was that when I said that maybe "HEY JUST MAYBE" we should consider the reads of the guy who the mafia killed and see what he was on to you said nothing. I mean the "they killed wbg because of his status as a veteran" is weaker then weak and that goes without saying. He's not a better scumhunter then average. And saying he gets better as the game progress, that goes for everyone. If your case is he gets better compared to others later in the game, that is false. If you insist on this I can get game-links. Right now your view on the scum killing wbg is they played suboptimally. That is a joke and is the number one reason I mistrust you.

Nor did they give us a medic. Not beeing able to shoot whoever they want is just setting themselves up for disadvantage. I'd guess they gave us a tracker and an innocent child. They absolutely didn't give us a vig. So did they give us 1-shot cop who confirms two townies or 1townie/1scum at any point in the game. The thing that makes an innocent child less powerfull in this setup is because with a known amounts of blues they can't counterclaim without going for a 50/50 so that make all blues powerfuller (exept child).

Lynches
As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 04 2012 21:44 GMT
#594
I've mislynched toad in every single game we played exept Arkham where he could save himself by blueclaiming. And the time I decide to tread carefully that prick is mafia. Not fair.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#603
I'm making a bet, you won't lynch me tomorrow.

'Cause hangin' on the edge baby, that's where I feel comfortable'
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 05 2012 19:27 GMT
#621
Sloosh, most of your post is jubjub logic.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#623
I'm confirming that your post is jubjub.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 05 2012 23:00 GMT
#626
Well I consider myself dead. I don't believe there is a medic. You are not surving tonight and the rest won't have an open mind tomorrow. (Not that I was feeling superconfident in persuading you in the first place, but with you dead and your last words "risk is scum" It will be tough)
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 05 2012 23:23 GMT
#628
There is one between sloosh and sbrubbles. I will tell you who tomorrow.
The other is between Hiro and Kurumi.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 08 2012 00:08 GMT
#664
Tomorrow when you discuss lynches. If you want my thoughts the two last scum are probably Kurumi and sbrubbles. Good luck town.

Oh and remember only vt's have been lynched so far. So blueclaim can force a 1-1 or confirm town. I recommend all of you give it some thought how and when you want to do the blueclaim. And make sure you do it right so you max your chances of confirming yourselves and giving scum a harder time to force a 1-1.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 08 2012 00:25 GMT
#670
I started of trying to do something analyzing wbg, I was shot down by you guys and your "hey scum is probably playing suboptimally", I facepalmed and lost my motivation. Then I gently gently gently soft-defended the person who flipped scum. I'm saying that because No I did not defend toad. I said I disagreed to lynching him that day because of my previous history with him I wanted to take it slower and try to get a grip on him. I wasn't posting a bunch of reasons and arguing heavily for his release. Which is what I became accused for even though nobody said it and nobody bothered to check for themselves.

My hope was if Radfield would refilter me and see atleast some doubt before he would inevitably die that night. Today there wasn't much point in defending myself. I could never save myself and in this scenario where there was NO chance of saving myself. I could start questioning you why you wanted to lynch me, defending myself and debating with you. It wouldn't had saved me and it wouldn't had helped you find scum. So I've just been sitting here reading ALOT trying to find the last two scums so that I could help you as best I can.

And in response to. You better not be town. Fuck you zombies.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 09 2012 12:05 GMT
#714
Both prplhz and sloosh played their blues very well. Cookie for them!
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
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