EPTThat being said Zephird isn't really as much as an option for me... Hiro voted Zephird and I doubt they're bussing on d1 lol
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That being said Zephird isn't really as much as an option for me... Hiro voted Zephird and I doubt they're bussing on d1 lol | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480#12 On May 29 2012 06:26 Radfield wrote: /out going with the mini game instead. Much more conducive to my schedule This post was(obviously) made before roles are out. He is legitimately out of time. That's part of the reason why I changed my mind on Radfield as well, I didn't post this before because I posted from my phone and quoting out-of-thread stuff is a pain | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
##Vote HiroPiro | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@Zephirdd Why are you now afraid to get mod killed? (no, it's not obvious  at least not to me) | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Also, don't use the "that's not something mafia would do" reasoning. I've learned that from my last few games. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:35 Zephirdd wrote: I hate people not playing. Lynching Lurkers is lynching people for not playing. Kurumi, what happened with your "I still think Radfield is scum"? Did you, *ahem* CHANGE YOUR OPINION? If so, then you have no reason to vote me. If not, then why are you NOT pushing him? Saw an easy candidate and jumped on him? As I said, I laid my pitchfork down, not put my mind away for a while. I still find Radfield suspicious. Yes, I would lynch him if I would, but there's no chance for it now. Besides, I was quite focused on him (call it tunneling, whatever) till pretty much now and I looked at other people. You don't look good. Active lurking, really aggressive after getting called out... You were buddying to me earlier man, what happened? You should lynch yourself man! | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Why is Hiro voting GF an exclusively scummy thing to do and not something that a townie would do? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
I would lynch him if could | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:17 Toadesstern wrote: 1. Toad says hiro votin GF is incredible scummy 2. Rad posts: 3. ... 4. Nothing? What was your result of filterting him? That statement I quoted sounds really strong and yet I'm the only one voting hiro when noone has disagreed with it except for hiro? Is there a reason for that? On June 01 2012 19:26 Radfield wrote: I'm not completely against a hiropro lynch right now, though I need to reread his filter. He spent almost all of day 0 discussing the poisons, and a proportionally small amount talking about the roles. His reasoning for picking gf does seem legit, but that doesn't clear him in my eyes. The problem right now is there was a lot for scum to discuss on Day 0, and a lot for them to potentially contribute to town, without actually helping town all that much. Fact is Toad, I'm not really sure on HiroPro. I had him down as looking ok and contributing, albeit tentatively. Then he was shown to be the only gf candidate, but has managed to do it with pretty good reasoning. I was considering pushing him just to see if the lynch was derailed or pushed through, and adjust accordingly, but didn't really have the time to do it properly. I also really want to lynch him just to see his flip, and that's kind of a bad state of mind. I still need to read his filter thoroughly though. On June 02 2012 02:49 Zephirdd wrote: What do you expect me to do as town? Just let people think I'm scum or something? I changed my mind too fast; there is all I can say about it. You just played(or rather, watched) a game where I was scum(or rather, had a scum mindset). Let me show you the biggest difference between me and my play on PYP  I am being sincere.Sorry, but I wouldn't even consider changing my mind as scum, no matter what. I'd stick to what I said at first and try to create the most chaos I could. Get off me; pushing me is the worst move you can do atm. This post actually strikes me as quite genuine and townish. I'm not sure I like a Zephirdd lynch anymore. After re-reading Sbrubbles' filter, he doesn't really look scummy. On June 02 2012 05:57 prplhz wrote: I hope Radfield has some more time soon. Everybody else needs to start talking about the lynch too. risk.nuke is European so I think it's very weird that he hasn't said much about the lynch yet with us approaching deadline like this. It's almost 11PM in Europe. I will have time, particularly saturday and sunday. It won't help us much for our lynch today, but I'm not really much of a Day 1 guy anyways. People always look for me to lead on Day 1, but I never really have much but a handful of town reads.... unless I'm scum, when I consistently lead Day 1 lynches  I will be around for the lynch and deadline, and right now am probably willing to vote Hiropro, but I want to filter him 1 more time. I need to make some dinner right now though. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:52 slOosh wrote: Is that the sole reason why you think Hiro is a good lynch candidate - the GF vote? You do realize 5/12 players did not encrypt their votes, making voting analysis really weak? It's possible that mafia chose to send some to encrypt and others to bs after they received the vote tallies - or maybe they all encrypted or maybe none did. Why is Hiro voting GF an exclusively scummy thing to do and not something that a townie would do? Which 5 sloosh? At the very least, me and Toad were obviously voting roleblocker, and had we claimed anything but it would be very strange. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:50 Zephirdd wrote: @prplhz because it's possible I will be away during the deadline and I don't want to be without a vote. I weighted what I know so far and I thought HiroPiro would be the vote I want to have at the deadline. Also, don't use the "that's not something mafia would do" reasoning. I've learned that from my last few games. I'm not going to use it forever, but right now it looks like something mafia wont do so I don't want to lynch him today. If he continues to do weird stuff that could be interpreted as scummy, then I'm going to put more focus on him. You are saying that someone put an argument out there that scum would do this and that, and then when somebody does exactly this, you say that he's scum? That seems too weird that scum would put themselves in a position like this unless there was a huge gain, what huge gain do you think this is? I'm now going to postulate that HiroPro isn't scum and that scum voted 2-1. Why do you think that's not likely? The vote was going to be split anyway and there were tons of people who didn't even encrypt so we can't verify what they did, HiroPro not only encrypted his vote and voted very early, he decided to vote for something that people had already said would be scummy. Even though scum would have something to gain by doing it, they would also have a lot to lose and they would know this. What do you think about Sbrubbles and Navilus? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:39 Toadesstern wrote: Any chance hiros lynch is going to happen? That guy is not playing at all and I still think the GF vote is as scummy as you can get. That being said Zephird isn't really as much as an option for me... Hiro voted Zephird and I doubt they're bussing on d1 lol Come on now Toad... you know better than that. You CANNOT draw connections between players like that when their alignments are unknown. That's actually a bit concerning. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Lynching Nautillus would be going for a lurker lynch and I don't think we have to resort to that yet. Also, between lurkers, I'd rather lynch risk.nuke, whose only contribution was to throw dirt and dissapear without any explanation: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote: I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie. On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird. Hiro simply hasn't posted anything since back then. His behaviour was reasonably active on D0, so I don't buy that it wasn't clear to him "that the votes would only be between Framer and Roleblocker". His case on Zephirdd was that Zephirdd hadn't contributed to the discussion, though Zephirdd was asking questions, like Sloosh was doing, which is a reasonable way to get discussion going early on. Hiro's filter before that case, though, consisted of just as little discussion, except for mechanics talk, which mafia can also do. He is playing scummy and we should lynch him today. ##Vote: HiroPro @Sloosh: The point is not that he voted GF, but that he voted GF while saying that he preferred framer over roleblocker (and changed his vote from roleblocker not to framer, but to GF). | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:58 prplhz wrote: I'm not going to use it forever, but right now it looks like something mafia wont do so I don't want to lynch him today. If he continues to do weird stuff that could be interpreted as scummy, then I'm going to put more focus on him. You are saying that someone put an argument out there that scum would do this and that, and then when somebody does exactly this, you say that he's scum? That seems too weird that scum would put themselves in a position like this unless there was a huge gain, what huge gain do you think this is? I'm now going to postulate that HiroPro isn't scum and that scum voted 2-1. Why do you think that's not likely? The vote was going to be split anyway and there were tons of people who didn't even encrypt so we can't verify what they did, HiroPro not only encrypted his vote and voted very early, he decided to vote for something that people had already said would be scummy. Even though scum would have something to gain by doing it, they would also have a lot to lose and they would know this. What do you think about Sbrubbles and Navilus? That's actually a pretty decent point. After filtering him, Sbrubbles looks alright for the moment. Navilus I haven't looked at. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eD8O8.png) "e:" denotes that the vote was encrypted before the deadline (I've also checked each one - they are all valid). So the 5 are Kurumi, talismania, Toadesstern, wherebugsgo, Radfield. As I've said before, because its 5 people (more than 3, the number of scum) there is really no telling alignments from this. You could glean slight tells for people's response to the plan itself but I think the Hiro's GF vote garnering enough suspicion for a vote makes no sense and people pushing / supporting that is wickity wack. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 02 2012 07:01 Radfield wrote: That's actually a pretty decent point. After filtering him, Sbrubbles looks alright for the moment. Navilus I haven't looked at. What about risk.nuke? He is playing like he is not. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
WBG I think you're getting games confused, you wanted to lynch me in the OTHER game, not this one silly. More seriously one thing that I didn't realize before that game because I was used to games with a couple weeks to each day was that I have a fairly short period of possible activity in my days, I get home at 4-5pm edt and go to sleep at probably 12-1am so just in terms of the course of a day i won't be posting for more than 2/3s of it. Also can we get a votecount for now ##Vote: Zephirdd He has no posts that really push anyone, he's defensive, asks questions, points out what he apparently thinks is a scummy post then forgets about it and the poster (nuke's post). He basically doesn't look like he's trying to find scum in any of his posts, just that he wants to keep talking and look active. Now I would like to know from someone else because I don't remember anything about who's a vet here or not, how much has he played/how experienced is he, I could see his type of posting from someone new and not wanting to push people but I also thought I saw him referring to some older game so he doesn't sound new. (if he's like the most experienced person here and that was a really dumb question my bad) I also am not a huge fan of the hiro lynch because I personally am bad at getting setup specific reads, but I also think it could be a legitimate slip, he wouldn't be my first choice (obviously that's zeph) but I also don't have a town read or something on him. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 01 2012 22:15 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit noone will ever get my name right, will ya? anyways, let me explain my thought proccess. Day0 people apparently forgot to vote or were forgetting the obvious; its very common for a player to forget stuff and then be reminded when seeing it on the thread. Heck, there were games I would only realize I hadnt voted when someone called me out. What is the problem with trying to remind the same? second, I changed opinions far too quickly. Basically, I was convinced by Radfield's arguments on the RB. Then Kurumi convinced me about Rad being scum. Then after the day, and wbg pointing out Kurumi's meta, I had to rethink things and decided Rad was right; if I could, I'd switch back to RB pick. I have to look at L though. but hey, yknow what is bad? Risk's post is bad. Points fingers at three people without saying anything. ps. Posting from phone is a pain @_@ This is a really bad response. Zephir basically just says "yea i did those things, don't lynch me though" and tries to throw suspicion on risk.nuke who is a really easy target because he's not posting at all. And later on he says something about how people shouldn't vote for him because he's an easy target because he has a lot of votes.... | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I think Zephirdd is the only lynch with enough momentum to make it to deadline, unless we can get a switch to someone like navillus or risk. Risk does look very bad as I've just read his posts. I'd be fine with lynching him if no one is interested in lynching Navillus (and he looks worse than Navillus anyway) | ||
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