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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote: Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now. I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum. ?!?!? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote: [...] I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy. His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum. [...] On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote: [...] How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie? On June 02 2012 05:34 wherebugsgo wrote: As for your question on Sbrubbles I don't even know what that means I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Your argument in his defense is impeccable. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote: Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now. I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum. Lol. Your argument is "he is too bad to be scum" right? | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote: I've been asleep. (and I just lost what I was posting from my phone) I agree with Radfield that Kurumi's aggressiveness based on that singular point is strange and makes him less likely to be mafia. However the meta still agrees, even with the game Kurumi linked. In the beginning of Space Station you can see the tone of Kurumi's posts is much more laid back than here. I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy. His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum. Navillus looks pretty bad, given that he seems to have no opinions of his own regarding the lynch. Toad I'm a bit unsure of as he's posted more. Of these players I think a Navillus lynch might be the most productive and likely to flip a scum. ##unvote ##vote Navillus Why are you pigeonholing our lynch choices into these three and picking the most scummiest out of them? How does Navillus earn a vote for no opinion on the lynch but risk.nuke's On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote: where hegives absolutely no reasoning or analysis at all (nor anywhere in his filter at all) gets no mention?I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie. On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
... really? I'm saying that I doubt that a scum, especially a first time scum, who has experience playing this game, would play like this. With sarcastic comments and "lol", we're apparently done talking about Navilus. I've made myself clear and I don't really think you're going to get him lynched. I hope Radfield has some more time soon. Everybody else needs to start talking about the lynch too. risk.nuke is European so I think it's very weird that he hasn't said much about the lynch yet with us approaching deadline like this. It's almost 11PM in Europe. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I don't usually post what I like about people's posts, but for Sbrubbles it's these two posts: On June 01 2012 05:13 Sbrubbles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 04:25 prplhz wrote: So you are saying that we can trust all checks even with framer around because it only has a slim chance of working? Framer is a role that works even when they don't use it successfully, just like medic. Your second argument "if they get two blue reads in a day" then they can neutralize them both with roleblocker. What are the odds of them getting two correct bluereads in one day? Even if they did, without roleblocker they could just kill one and then kill the other. Tracker, in my opinion, is the weakest town role overall (worse than 1-shot cop), but it's worse, not better, against a roleblocker than against a framer around. Framer is very unlikely to mess up a tracker early on (though yeah, it's possible), but if a roleblocker is around mafia have the option of discrediting the tracker by leaving him alive and roleblocking him (if he didn't manage to convince town of his check). He'll be still alive but roleblocked, which means chaos for the following day. Also, remember that framer is only 2 shot. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 19:02 Radfield wrote: Then you don't know me very well Zephridd  I skim read all the time, and I do mean all the time. The strength of my play is that I go back and reread many times, and filter everyone many times. Knowing when you can skim and when you need to pay attention is something every good player utilizes, particularly when time is short. Yesterday I had points I wanted to make, and not enough time to do it in(particularly in the morning, when I didn't even finish my post).I obviously picked roleblocker. Anyways, the reason we publicly wanted roleblocker is that we desperately want a medic in this setup, and mafia knowing they are getting roleblocker dramatically increases the odds of us getting one. Consider that pretty much every single mini game ever has the potential for town to have a medic/jailkeeper/etc, the reason for this being that even the threat of having a protective role means mafia can't just shoot whomever they want, whenever they want. You guys are talking as if mafia having the roleblocker is dangerous because they can roleblock any blue claims, but that makes no sense. If we have no medic, mafia don't need to roleblock, they just shoot claimers in the face. If there is no medic in the setup, then roleblocker is an almost completely useless role for mafia. Think someone is blue? Shoot them in the face. Someone claims? Shoot them in the face. The reason that we have a much better chance of getting a medic by choosing roleblocker is that cop and tracker are far and away the worst roles for town in this setup, especially considering that mafia might get gf/framer. Tracker is especially bad, because of the fact that mafia get to choose which one performs the kill, and will always pick whomever is the most town, making the role almost useless unless the tracker holds his abilities until lategame. By picking roleblocker and mafia knowing it, they will likely shy away from giving us the information roles, and instead give us 2 of Vig/Medic/IC. However even if they give us one of those roles and the tracker, the one role they will probably give us is the medic, as I don't think most people realize how important it is to have a medic in a small setup. Again, having a medic is very important for us, because a medic doesn't even have to make a save and can still turn the tide of a game by forcing mafia to shoot away from the most obvious/strong townies. Picking roleblocker gave us the highest chance of getting that medic. Did players who became power roles KNOW they were going to be power roles before day 1? Or were they given the exact same vanilla PM as all the other players @Radfield, I was thinking about this before my vote. If they knew we were going to get medic, they'd want a roleblocker (to prevent town going into follow-the-confirmed-townie mode), but it doesn't necessarily work the other way around. Them knowing the we picked roleblocker doesn't make it that they'd give us a medic. Tracker/vig or tracker/cop are perfectly reasonable combinations. A Roleblocker is essencially a second "blue snipe" for them, because they'll have a really good idea of if they got their block right. This about this: If cop doesn't claim day 2 they'll know they got their N1 block right. If a tracker claims but isn't convincing, they can do as I said above. If they gave us vig, then 1 kill in the night means they blocked correctly and would eliminate the vig the following night. On June 01 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote: Kurumi's case on Radfield is based on the assumption that roleblocker is hand-down the worst role to give mafia. Though I partially agree with him (I voted for framer), I don't agree it's an obvious thing. The way Rad argue it was decent and well-reasoned. The case on Kurumi is partly based on his meta and I don't trust cases built solely on meta. What is interesting is that he makes his whole argument with basis on game mechanics (better yet, his opinions on game mechanics), which would be the "safest" way for mafia to be pushing for a mislynch at D1. It feels a bit scummy, but I'm still mostly null on him. I'm very suspicious of HiroPro right now. His GF vote doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective and I'm not convinced on his Zephirdd push. The only problem is that Sbrubbles hasn't voted, but I don't think a scum would make posts like these. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
a) he has not contributed anything so far b) he "agrees" with me very fast without saying why c) he gets off Radfield after a while without saying why d) his last post says he wants to kill one of three guys, this is quite opportunistic e) his fist post is the only one which looks like it has taken him more than a minute to write he looks a little like an active lurker. I usually don't like lurker lynches but we're playing a mini so I am up for lynching risk.nuke. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
e) his first* | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Why are you pigeonholing the lynch choices into these three (referring to Kurumi, Sbrubbles and Navillus) and picking the most scummiest out of them rather than gauging each player individually as scummy or not? There is nothing to indicate that there is or isn't a scum in that group of three. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Zephirdd is... weird. Doesn't do things himself, changes his opinions, posts a lot of fluff like "go vote" "here's case by Kurumi (without his comment of course) and this is something that makes me uneasy On June 01 2012 10:36 Zephirdd wrote: Hm, looking at Holy Roman, Kurumi seems to be much more careful on this game(ie. serious). Like wbg said, (if we take Holy Roman as Kurumi's town meta) his town meta is to troll. Anyone has more town games from Kurumi to analyze, and possibly scum games as well? I also retract any "accusation" I may have had about Radfield. He seems clean enough for me atm. Why are you guys not posting more? I hate lynching lurkers. I don't hate lynching lurkers... Never(I just think that there are a lot better options that's why I try to fight against doing it in normal-sized games). As Town, I see them as a valid scum candidates and as scum I see a freebie. Are you scared of something, Zephirdd? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:07 slOosh wrote: WBG please answer my first question: Why are you pigeonholing the lynch choices into these three (referring to Kurumi, Sbrubbles and Navillus) and picking the most scummiest out of them rather than gauging each player individually as scummy or not? There is nothing to indicate that there is or isn't a scum in that group of three. because on day 1 you want to lynch the scummiest person. Actually, on every day you want to lynch the guy most likely to flip scum. I'm not pigeonholing the lynch but rather giving the choices I'd be fine with. Risk nuke is not included because I haven't read his posts. I'll do that now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
2. Rad posts: On June 01 2012 05:08 Radfield wrote: [...] Did we actually just catch scum by hiropro voting godfather?? Time to filter!! 3. ... 4. Nothing? What was your result of filterting him? That statement I quoted sounds really strong and yet I'm the only one voting hiro when noone has disagreed with it except for hiro? Is there a reason for that? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:08 Kurumi wrote: sloOsh looks good for me, it's weird that he asks more than posts more himself, but oh well. Zephirdd is... weird. Doesn't do things himself, changes his opinions, posts a lot of fluff like "go vote" "here's case by Kurumi (without his comment of course) and this is something that makes me uneasy I don't hate lynching lurkers... Never(I just think that there are a lot better options that's why I try to fight against doing it in normal-sized games). As Town, I see them as a valid scum candidates and as scum I see a freebie. Are you scared of something, Zephirdd? I hate people not playing. Lynching Lurkers is lynching people for not playing. Kurumi, what happened with your "I still think Radfield is scum"? Did you, *ahem* CHANGE YOUR OPINION? If so, then you have no reason to vote me. If not, then why are you NOT pushing him? Saw an easy candidate and jumped on him? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On June 02 2012 06:36 prplhz wrote: Why are you an easy candidate Zephirdd? Because people are voting me already and I have the most votes, I thought that was kinda obvious. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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