EPTI wanted to play this more like C9++ #2 again, I already have a game where I'm all over the place...
If hiro is not answering the question goes to everyone else: What do you think about the GF vote?
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I wanted to play this more like C9++ #2 again, I already have a game where I'm all over the place... If hiro is not answering the question goes to everyone else: What do you think about the GF vote? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Anyways, Hiro's GF vote is fine. His explanation shows that he thought it through (false positives? I didn't even consider that), makes sense in the context of not knowing what role might be picked, and furthermore it is something that knowingly invites attention on himself which he is handling fine. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
##vote HiroPro | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:29 Toadesstern wrote: Well you've got to agree that it's looking weird that you are apparently the only one who voted GF when we talked about how 1-1-1 is the only way for mafia to not screw up and all the talk d0 was either about RB > framer or about framer > RB. Why didn't you talk about this? This is essentially the same thing I was talking about in PYP when talking with risk. I have no problem with people telling me they think otherwise and that we should change a "plan" but I do have a problem with people ninja-voting without telling us screwing us over. If what you said is reasonable (and I don't think it is) you should have tried to explain to us why what you said is reasonable. Yet here you stand, voting GF and it's apparently not important enough to you what role mafia gets because you haven't told us so and you still voted GF and not, like everyone else either RB or framer. That's really odd. I have already explained to you why I didn't believe directly revealing my vote before day 1 was a good idea. Mafia needs to know what role is being given to them so they can pick appropriate roles to give to town. Town only needs to know what role was given to mafia when day 1 has started. This is why the encryption was a good idea; it locks people's votes so that mafia cannot change their "votes" in response to what they actually got, while town still receives the information that they need. If you really believe that mafia will vote exactly like how you expect them to (1-1-1), then lol. On June 01 2012 05:31 Radfield wrote: Hiropro, if you were mafia, what roles would you give town? Tracker, no matter what, only 1 member of mafia needs to carry out the kill and it's very unlikely that tracker will be able to track them, considering that mafia can choose who to send out for the kill. Additionally, since the role visit overwrites the kill visit, the chances of tracker being able to identify mafia by seeing them visit the person who died is even lower. Medic, if roleblocker is what is expected. 1-shot cop, if framer or godfather are expected. If the town team is much worse compared to the mafia team, vig instead of medic/cop. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Kurumi - thoughts on anything besides Radfield? Sbrubbles - thoughts on Kurumi / Radfield? risk.nuke & Navillus - please post something. thoughts on each other, Kurumi and Sbrubbles? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I also retract any "accusation" I may have had about Radfield. He seems clean enough for me atm. Why are you guys not posting more? I hate lynching lurkers. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Kurumi is literally the easiest person on this forum to meta analyze. Any time he is town he's laid back and he doesn't care what he posts. He trolls, links videos, TF2 memes, etc. He is not cryptic as town but tries to be funny. I think his more recent scum game was jubjub, but I didn't read much of it. There was a game I caught him this way when I was town, and then there was AC where I used that tactic as scum to nail Kurumi as 3rd party. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Vote: + Show Spoiler + ZZZZZ GVRSG KTULX EDLNH OTJLU XGKUU XEIOK PKIWI IRUCV RDGQQ QBGFF DQRJI ASFKU XLUBV AXNFG VETUB WWJRT JEHTD HOBHO PVHKB UZZZZ YYYYY I voted roleblocker Hiro I don't entirely understand, if you think mafia would choose tracker no matter what why choose GF, RB seems like the best role to give them if we're probably gonna get a tracker. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote Kurumi Kurumi is literally the easiest person on this forum to meta analyze. Any time he is town he's laid back and he doesn't care what he posts. He trolls, links videos, TF2 memes, etc. He is not cryptic as town but tries to be funny. I think his more recent scum game was jubjub, but I didn't read much of it. There was a game I caught him this way when I was town, and then there was AC where I used that tactic as scum to nail Kurumi as 3rd party. I find your case to be lacking. I don't see much difference between Kurumi's style this game and his style in L (the only normal game as town I could find in his profile). Posting pictures of Saddam Hussein and asking to be given double vig can hardly be considered serious. On June 01 2012 11:00 Navillus wrote: Hiro I don't entirely understand, if you think mafia would choose tracker no matter what why choose GF, RB seems like the best role to give them if we're probably gonna get a tracker. Because I feel that tracker is a fairly worthless role, no matter what scum team has. It makes more sense to me to give them a role that is really only good against tracker than to give a role that is effective against almost anything. Zephirdd Zephirdd's posting is not that of town. During the poison voting phase, Zephir spends most of his time repeating what others say (read through the thread at this phase). He offers very little insight of his own. On May 31 2012 04:54 Zephirdd wrote: Guys remember to vote on the voting thread! On May 31 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote: Kurumi and wbg need to vote On May 31 2012 10:32 Zephirdd wrote: On May 31 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote: Kurumi and wbg need to vote lol nvm im stupid wbg and someone else needs to vote >_>' On May 31 2012 11:21 Zephirdd wrote: I thought it was a whisky bottle judging from the flavor. Hey guys Kurumi already made a case! Discuss. Posts like these are posts for the sake of posting. Everyone posts like this from time to time; but for Zephir, these posts are a huge part of his filter. [B]On May 31 2012 11:25 Zephirdd wrote: Also, I don't like that Radfield was initially against registering votes pre-deadline. The Rad I know doesn't just "skim" by what people say. Still, his town meta is "too town to be town", and here is just... normal town. Or rather, near null. That makes him red in my eyes. Discuss. This is about as wishy-washy and noncomittal as you'll ever see in a "accusation" (Zephir's words). Not only did Radfield already address his initial refusal to do encryption, but Zephir is trying very hard to make an accusation without actually making one (3 different descriptions for Radfield's play in one line)"and here is just... normal town. Or rather, near null. That makes him red in my eyes." Zephirdd has a lack of useful posting, a large amount of "filler", and avoids taking strong stances. He is scum. Vote: Zephirdd | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
(1) Kurumi - Radfield (2) HiroPro Both strike me as somewhat of red herrings, 1 more so than 2. I lean town on both Kurumi and Radfield. Kurumi because of how unnecessarily out-of-nowhere his case against Radfield comes, and how early. He obviously plays by a different playbook than most but that seems really uncautious of a scum move. Radfield I've never played with before but he seemed to be slipping into a town leader role like I saw in I'm a Cop You Idiot. I am surprised I haven't seen a case from him yet though. HiroPro's GF vote seems too good to be true. Now that we have Navillus's vote it seems like he actually was the only one to vote GF. Either the scum team really did 1-1-1, or he really was ignorant to the framer-roleblocker debate. And if the scum team did 1-1-1 then the other scum must have been similarly oblivious and that seems unlikely. If both truly are red herrings, they're likely good things for scum to try and latch onto and drive momentum towards. With that in mind, consider zepphird: First he kind of fishes around on Radfield: On May 31 2012 11:25 Zephirdd wrote: errr there is more to say, actually. First, The key is "zephirdd" and when using it to decrypt, the phrase is "I picked Framer for the mafia". Kurumi's reasonings convinced me much more than Radfield's. Also, I don't like that Radfield was initially against registering votes pre-deadline. The Rad I know doesn't just "skim" by what people say. Still, his town meta is "too town to be town", and here is just... normal town. Or rather, near null. That makes him red in my eyes. Discuss. Then he drives the HiroPro story a bit: On June 01 2012 03:45 Zephirdd wrote: Hiro, why would you pick Godfather, aka the NULL vote? On June 01 2012 03:59 Zephirdd wrote: Great, and why didn't you provide these arguments during the day we had to actually choose GF? Why did you just let the framers/roleblockers go and not fight for your argument? Why keep it down and suddenly pop out with this? Then, after no one else is jumping on Radfield, he jumps off and hints at looking at Kurumi (who made the Radfield case): On June 01 2012 10:36 Zephirdd wrote: Hm, looking at Holy Roman, Kurumi seems to be much more careful on this game(ie. serious). Like wbg said, (if we take Holy Roman as Kurumi's town meta) his town meta is to troll. Anyone has more town games from Kurumi to analyze, and possibly scum games as well? I also retract any "accusation" I may have had about Radfield. He seems clean enough for me atm. Why are you guys not posting more? I hate lynching lurkers. There's almost too much of it to be true but on first blow, to me, it is indicative of scum trying to get a feel for the way winds are blowing in the town, hence the FoS. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm not completely against a hiropro lynch right now, though I need to reread his filter. He spent almost all of day 0 discussing the poisons, and a proportionally small amount talking about the roles. His reasoning for picking gf does seem legit, but that doesn't clear him in my eyes. The problem right now is there was a lot for scum to discuss on Day 0, and a lot for them to potentially contribute to town, without actually helping town all that much. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Sloosh, you keep asking for other peoples opinions, but what are YOUR opinions? Radfield, Kurumi, risk.nuke, sbrubbles? Thoughs on those players? On June 01 2012 08:54 slOosh wrote: Anyways, Hiro's GF vote is fine. His explanation shows that he thought it through (false positives? I didn't even consider that), makes sense in the context of not knowing what role might be picked, and furthermore it is something that knowingly invites attention on himself which he is handling fine. I disagree that hiropro's gf vote is 'fine'. While I agree that his gf pick has reasoning, it still doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of our day 1 discussion. There was almost no discussion of gf, and hiropro certainly made no attempt to sway any other players to vote for it. I'm not saying that makes his scum, but he certainly gets no credit for it either. The fact that he is the only gf player, when scum put themselves at risk by doing anything but 1-1-1, is very noteworthy. I haven't quite wrapped my mind around what it means if scum voted 2-1 though, and what we can possibly glean from that. I do agree that we need more from risk.nuke though, but that's obvious at this point. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Look at his day1 contributions. It's literally been two posts where he says he wants to lynch Kurumi because Kurumi isn't posting TF2 videos, nevermind that Kurumi did post pictures of Sadam Hussein and that Kurumi has played more seriously as town in his last few games. Also, we need to remember that we can't have people are majority-1, if someone is at majority-2 then you have to agree with somebody else to hammer them. This is because scum has a secret vote and will just hammer any majority-1 if they are town. I'm around, shoot me some questions if you want. I don't want to comment on everybody but I'll comment on some if people want me to. I still want to lynch wherebugsgo. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:07 slOosh wrote: Gahhh!!! Please post people! From the looks of it we are just going to scramble to get a lurker lynch hours before the deadline. Kurumi - thoughts on anything besides Radfield? Sbrubbles - thoughts on Kurumi / Radfield? risk.nuke & Navillus - please post something. thoughts on each other, Kurumi and Sbrubbles? Kurumi's case on Radfield is based on the assumption that roleblocker is hand-down the worst role to give mafia. Though I partially agree with him (I voted for framer), I don't agree it's an obvious thing. The way Rad argue it was decent and well-reasoned. The case on Kurumi is partly based on his meta and I don't trust cases built solely on meta. What is interesting is that he makes his whole argument with basis on game mechanics (better yet, his opinions on game mechanics), which would be the "safest" way for mafia to be pushing for a mislynch at D1. It feels a bit scummy, but I'm still mostly null on him. I'm very suspicious of HiroPro right now. His GF vote doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective and I'm not convinced on his Zephirdd push. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Hiro is basicly a claimed mafia who says "well yeah, but would a mafia claim mafia?" which just doesn't work for me anymore since PYP. WBG is just plain ridiculous right now and he's way better as town than what we see here. Add that to what I mentioned earlier about him (not knowing the d0 cycle was only 24 hours, not posting) and I feel like wbg would be the best vet to lynch into if I can convince you to lynch into a vet :p | ||
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