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+ Show Spoiler +AAHHHHH! Just deleted a post!!!!!!!
sorry about poor formatting but i am in a rush
i am up to date but i have yet to look in detail at much
If anyone gets to shoot toad it better be me, i have waited for far too long for this. (i currently don't think he is scum though)
No more "Hey you shoot this guy or i will shoot you!" posts. There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots. If such a move results is a misfire then town is still left facing the same targets expect with once cycle less and another lynch candidate (the person that was selfish enough to shoot like that)
Mr. Zentor appear to be looking at the game form the Mafia perspectice:
+ Show Spoiler +"as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that;"
"This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say."
"This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it."
"That's exactly what scum would want to happen"
"*Assuming we're correct about the 1 godfather thing"
"The balls of steel was the sort of detail which sum doesn't have the time or energy to fabricate."
"and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power."
"RoL lurking is exactly what a mafia would do after successfully claiming miller"
"I wasn't aware that the host gave mafia sample role pms. (A good reason for why I'm not mafia. )" Besides many of those statements are meaningless or invalid.
other things about Zentor:
+ Show Spoiler +"Rastaban is scum, so why would you give him the chance of shooting me?" His accusation is unsupported. His earlier posts(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15046668 & http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15059532)indicated that he thought suspicious players should carry out the shots. But he objects to a player he suspects is scum carrying out a shot. "I haven't been lurking for days. -.-
If you want to find somebody who has been lurking for days, look at Kenpachi." I don't like him trying to deflect attention from himself onto "arbitratry lurker" "Apparently I always look scummy regardless of alignment. -.-" This statement and everything it represents is worthy of several bullets.
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I will be back in a few hours
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On June 16 2012 01:17 MrZentor wrote:Well, the first 3 pages of Toad's filter is him talking about the setup and a bunch of stuff that isn't scum hunting. One thing I found that seems especially scummy is his response to RoL trying to shoot him. Look at it from a town perspective: RoL claimed to not have a gun. He tries to shoot you. If he lied about his gun and actually ends up shooting you, he's basically confirmed scum. If he actually doesn't have a gun like he claimed, nothing happens. It's a win win, but look at Toad's response. Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:
are you crazy, wtf is wrong with you Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:
ooh. holy crap don't scare me like that... This is the response I'd expect from scum. They're so afraid of getting killed, especially first day, that they overreact and completely disregard all past information. And recently, Toad claimed he couldn't read Talis, which is basically the easiest thing for scum to do. (and he tried to kill me) 
+ Show Spoiler +talismania, Gun Enforcement Agent (Scum) has been shot
- Hide Spoiler [Role] -
Welcome to Bang Bang Mafia 2!
You are the Gun Enforcement Agent!
As a government agent you are in the business of enforcing the law - your own! You are aligned with Scum and don't give a shit what the USA thinks of gun control. Your bosses won't allow you to carry a gun but you can steal a gun from any player in the game and use it any following day. Whether you are successful or not the player will be alerted that a theft occurred (or failed). You can do this ONCE per game.
You win by outnumbering the Town at any point during the Day. Good luck!
But if the mafia stole RoL's gun then they would not have been surprised or worried by him announcing that he didn't have a gun or proving it by typing a kill command in the thread. So any "overreaction" would have to be faked.
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Well i think Toad is making sense.
Zealos can you put the red text aside and give an explanation that relies on more than just a "Vague feeling of oddness"?
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On June 16 2012 06:14 layabout wrote:
Well i think Toad is making sense.
Oh god what have a done??
Due to his last post I am now open to the idea that Mr. Zentor is in fact clueless and not mafia.
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RoL are you around?
Have you anything to say about Wiggle's case against you?
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On June 16 2012 06:22 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:
RoL are you around?
Have you anything to say about Wiggle's case against you? I would love to hear his thought son the situation but any case against ROL is absurd right now, he is obviously town at this point.
Do you think it was absurd when he posted it?
There was an awful lot going on but Wiggles didn't bat an eyelid. He posted his case and ran to the hills.
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On June 16 2012 07:01 Dirkzor wrote:
Posting something pregame and posting something after the game have started stating that it was a pregame idea are 2 totally different things.
I wasn't in the game and haven't read it. Only the first post to compare as supersoft asked. Talis' post was _ingame_ and thus worth reading to find his alignment. You can argue that Talis' post could have been made as both town or mafia - but is was still an INGAME post. Not pregame like you state continiously.
And no I'm not calling you a liar because of the post comparing. I'm calling you aliar because you say you called Talis scum when you in fact did not. You called him a nullread and the later used soft roundabout ways of calling him scum.
I am sure that Talismania said that he wrote/thought of it before the game began so in a sense it was "pregame" it also follows that it was not related to his alignment or reflective of how he tries to make himself appear town.
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anyway stuff that.
Stealing RoL's gun made RoL look very bad since we where unaware of that mechanic. Talismana's flip has made RoL extremely difficult to lynch, and mafia will have known his flip would have caused this, thus the only time mafia could have pushed him would be before talismania dies. Since mafia would be unable to predict the time of his death it would make sense for them to try to lynch RoL early on.
One player has ade it his mission to do just that and so;
My Finger of suspicion + Show Spoiler +
is pointed firmly at Mr. Wiggles
+ Show Spoiler +Early on he spends time discussiung stragety with VE. He advocates millers claiming. He seems very concerned about wasting cycles by letting players shoot recklessly. He agrees with those voicing suspicions against gonzaw commenting about how he shouldn't be focussed on defending himself but on hunting scum. He suggests searching for another suspicios player to shoot gonzaw or for gonzaw to shoot. He stresses the importance of RoL proving that he doesn't have a gun. He says that if RoL does not prove he cannot shoot then they should kill him. (RoL had said that he would be absent so it's possible that he may have done this to push someone else into shooting RoL while he could not respond). He re-explains this point in a few posts and stresses that if he is lying then they should kill RoL*. *Note: Since the thread can verify whether or not RoL has a gun ("prove it by typing the command or we shoot you") it makes absolutely no sense for RoL to be lying. So this posturing is worth next to nothing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=725&topic_id=340480http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15088363He is around at the end of the day. Surprise surprise RoL was not lying. The thread is focussed on choosing between Payl Toad and Zentor. There are threats flying around. The thread is disordered and chaotic. Explanations have been flung out of the window and people are shoving their guns in each others faces and exchanging insults about their respective parentage. Wiggles seems oblivious to all of this and pushes RoL. What is strange is that if wiggles advocated shooting him if he was lying and shooting him if he wasn't lying why it took so long for him to get round to telling the thread that he thuoght they should shoot him. He also does not stick around to weigh in on what was happening (the shot "decision" restore order or try redirect attention to his case.
Key points:
He is concerned about poor or reckless shots in his opening post
- He supports shooting gonzaw because gonzaw is focussing on his own defence, this is a poor reason and he should be aware of that.
- Over multiple posts he emphasises the need for RoL to prove that he cannot shoot and says that he cannot take the claim at face value, this is his primary reason for pressuring RoL.
- When RoL shows that he cannot shoot Wiggles posts a case against him anyway.
- When Wiggles posts his case he ignores both the reckless play (that he was supposedly concerned about) and the important issues at hand
- Wiggles has focussed on RoL to the point of ignoring nearly everything else, especially the lynch (shot)
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sorry about the formatting but i have other stuff to do
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What's this?
On June 16 2012 07:22 layabout wrote:anyway stuff that. Stealing RoL's gun made RoL look very bad since we where unaware of that mechanic. Talismana's flip has made RoL extremely difficult to lynch, and mafia will have known his flip would have caused this, thus the only time mafia could have pushed him would be before talismania dies. Since mafia would be unable to predict the time of his death it would make sense for them to try to lynch RoL early on. One player has ade it his mission to do just that and so; My Finger of suspicion + Show Spoiler +is pointed firmly at Mr. Wiggles+ Show Spoiler +Early on he spends time discussiung stragety with VE. He advocates millers claiming. He seems very concerned about wasting cycles by letting players shoot recklessly. He agrees with those voicing suspicions against gonzaw commenting about how he shouldn't be focussed on defending himself but on hunting scum. He suggests searching for another suspicios player to shoot gonzaw or for gonzaw to shoot. He stresses the importance of RoL proving that he doesn't have a gun. He says that if RoL does not prove he cannot shoot then they should kill him. (RoL had said that he would be absent so it's possible that he may have done this to push someone else into shooting RoL while he could not respond). He re-explains this point in a few posts and stresses that if he is lying then they should kill RoL*. *Note: Since the thread can verify whether or not RoL has a gun ("prove it by typing the command or we shoot you") it makes absolutely no sense for RoL to be lying. So this posturing is worth next to nothing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=725&topic_id=340480http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15088363He is around at the end of the day. Surprise surprise RoL was not lying. The thread is focussed on choosing between Payl Toad and Zentor. There are threats flying around. The thread is disordered and chaotic. Explanations have been flung out of the window and people are shoving their guns in each others faces and exchanging insults about their respective parentage. Wiggles seems oblivious to all of this and pushes RoL. What is strange is that if wiggles advocated shooting him if he was lying and shooting him if he wasn't lying why it took so long for him to get round to telling the thread that he thuoght they should shoot him. He also does not stick around to weigh in on what was happening (the shot "decision" restore order or try redirect attention to his case. Key points: He is concerned about poor or reckless shots in his opening post
- He supports shooting gonzaw because gonzaw is focussing on his own defence, this is a poor reason and he should be aware of that.
- Over multiple posts he emphasises the need for RoL to prove that he cannot shoot and says that he cannot take the claim at face value, this is his primary reason for pressuring RoL.
- When RoL shows that he cannot shoot Wiggles posts a case against him anyway.
- When Wiggles posts his case he ignores both the reckless play (that he was supposedly concerned about) and the important issues at hand
- Wiggles has focussed on RoL to the point of ignoring nearly everything else, especially the lynch (shot)
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On June 16 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote:
so what's happening?
You are about to make a game changing post.
And I am about to sleep.
Right now though very little is happening.
Expect for, you know, the universe expanding and shit.
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As of yesterday i was convinced that he was mafia. I was practically yelling at my computer and refreshing my inbox as i sat by and watched pages 44 onwards.
The main things that made me thing this were his repeated comments that seemed to be coming from a mafia perspective. They also felt out of place and a little unnecessary.
The one thing i will say is that at certain points one should consider the possible mafia motivations for doing something or what the likely mafia plays are but you must do so carefully.
I changed my mind when he made this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15096163
there were a number of reason he could have chosen to provide us with. But he provides us with a weak reason that i think someone that knew mafia had a gunstealer would not come up with and would not jump to immediately. Since mafia knew they had a gunstealer this suggests to me that he is not mafia.
I also do not like assuming that a bus is taking place. Bussing would have been unnecessary for talismania and i did not perceive that he was in any danger of being shot until supersoft went nuts which would further weaken that assumption. In space station mafia Mr. Zentor was town and was pushed as an easy lynch. It appears that that has happened in this game (he was being pushed by mafia). Neither of these would be reason alone but they are worth considering.
I will also give him town points for acting like he cares because i believe that we should encourage players to do that.
His concern about shooting town suggests that he does have a gun so if scum he would have to be a GF. If we have to assume that he is a GF in order for him to be scum then again it feels like we would be pushing it. His reaction to being told he has to shoot makes him look green in my eyes.
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i was also suspicious of his unreasoned position changes about gonzaw and confused by this comment:
If what Toad says is true, then it isn't really THAT anti town to shoot a few minutes into the day, because then we'll basically have a 48 hour night.
Right?
since he attacked chaoser for wanting to shoot early.
(still think he is town though)
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since the sk has to kill 1 per cycle wouldn't it make more sense for him to be the sk than mafia?
either way i refuse to believe that a townie would do that.
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How come there was no role reveal for Mr. Wiggles?
Mr. Wiggles has been killed
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Just because the shot will not happen today doesn't mean we can't discuss and decide what it is. We could even decide a shot and then take it at the very start of the day (so we would effectively be in the same place we would have been if MZ hadn't shot but minus 1 townie.)
We have to shoot MZ.
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-3 if both night kills go off...
well curse you MZ!
It worth mentioning that the mafia wincon in talismania's pm was
You win by outnumbering the Town at any point during the Day
with 13 alive thats 3 mafia and 1 sk and 9 town (3 : 1 : 9)
we will (probably) have (3 : 1 : 7) at the start of tomorrow
which is (probably) mylo if scum have a dayshot.
The multple night kill essentially confirm the existence of an sk and a lot of this depends on what the SK does. They should be aiming at scum for now though.
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What would happen if a Gun enforcement agent attempted to steal a gun from a serial killer?
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I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting.
I doubt that Meapak is a godfather.
+ Show Spoiler +I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy).
When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.)
I doubt that Meapak is the SK.
+ Show Spoiler +If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK.
If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK.
If that is the case then Meapak is probably town.
+ Show Spoiler +His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting
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Bullshit.
Ace is messing with us.
Meapak can't have been gf.
That play would have been retarded.
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On June 17 2012 19:53 marvellosity wrote:
Mafia heuristic: if an outrageous play is retarded from both a scum and a town viewpoint, it is usually from mafia
No.
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On June 17 2012 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
worked for almost all the cases in my games
Again. No.
+ Show Spoiler +We should probably delay this heated argument until postgame.
At the moment i am thinking about a mass role (or maybe just shot) claim to root out the last mafia.
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10 alive:
Kenpachi
kitaman27
payl
marvellosity
Dirkzor
Zealos
MrZentor
Toadesstern
RebirthofLegend
layabout
1 mafia 1 sk 8 town
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maybe i should clarify this
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 12:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote:I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting. I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler +I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy).
When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler +If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK.
If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK.
If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler +His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting 1. Godfather role probably exists. I don't know why anyone would think Talismania's role excludes the possibility of a godfather. That is retarded. 2. I explained why this would be a dipshit mafia move. I'm not going to do it again. 3. If there WAS a medic protect then it would clear meapak from being the SK. No one claimed it though. If there is NOT a medic protection then it could mean the SK held his hit, either that or the mafia + SK hit the same person. Unlikely. You are wrong. 1 i didn't exclude the possibility but those two roles and a dead sk would make the game pretty easy for scum to win particularly if they killed off the people that would be awake at the deadline beforehand 2 i am not sure what you are referring to but having the godfather role (on a player awake at the deadline) at endgame would be a hell of a lot more powerful than not having that role. 3 This is just a miscommunication, it said "kill" in the OP, i interpreted that as them needing to "Kill", if they have been be blocked then they would not have killed and would need to. Apparently we are to ignore it anyway.
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On June 19 2012 02:10 Kenpachi wrote:
i want to see layabout shoot for today's kill.
must... resist..
anyway:
i can shoot.
we need players to claim whether or not they can shoot
i think that if one of the people that's claimed a gun is lying it's probably zealos primarily because he promised to be active, he promised to provide content and he has done neither of those things.
On June 14 2012 20:28 Zealos wrote:So like, I have hours of spare time over the next week, so hopefully I should be useful for a change.Rebirth, why should one of Ken and Toad be killed? + Show Spoiler +From looking over the last couple of page there are some pretty strong cases on Zentor. I wanna hear a responce, and even if we think he is scum, we should hold off shooting him long enough to make use of the day.
Marv, you've been pretty quiet after mishooting, I wanna see more of you, you're a bastard to deal with as mafia, so get posting.
He tentatively agrees that the case on Mr. Zentor is strong but he delays giving a verdict before reading the case on cephiro.
On June 14 2012 23:52 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 23:27 rastaban wrote:On June 14 2012 23:04 Zealos wrote:On June 14 2012 20:58 supersoft wrote:
claim You want me to claim? Don't claim, we don't have any info on you yet though. I would love if you would look over the cases against Zentor and Ceph and give your thoughts and any reads you have coming in fresh. You just subbed in so I know you need time to catch up so start with the current cases if you can and then let us know your thoughts in general on how things are playing out. Were you following before you subbed in? How do you think town should proceed? I was vaguely following out of interest of the setup, but haven't had very lose looks on anything . The case on My Zentor seems to be the strongest by far right at the moment, but I haven't read the one on Ceph yet, so I'll have to look back and see :3
And yet he doesn't follow this up with either a conclusion or any further mention of the cephiro case.
He appeared to think that Toadesstern was mafia for a while but he couldn't articulate why. 3 days ago he said he would "figure it out" but when he will figure it out is anyone's guess.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2012 06:59 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 06:14 layabout wrote:
Well i think Toad is making sense.
Zealos can you put the red text aside and give an explanation that relies on more than just a "Vague feeling of oddness"? Not really. I don't plan on shooting him. Yet. I'll figure it out soon enough.
Thoughts?
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EBWOP:
He tentatively agrees that the case on Mr. Zentor is strong but he delays giving a verdict before reading the case on cephiro.
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Toad, does Mr Zentor feel "weird" too?
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But we aren't even a page into the day.
Why waste it?
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can you point me to the post in which he said he would shoot?
because the last few days and shots have been taken up by the "meapak incident" so no one has had a chance to shoot for a while.
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On June 19 2012 04:05 Toadesstern wrote:
22:30 GMT (+00:00). That's 24:00 my time and I have to wake up tomorrow so I really can't make it later. I'm going to shoot into someone who has not claimed wether or not he has a gun or into someone who has claimed to not have a gun.
I am obviously going to pick the most scummy out of those. do analysis, present it to the thread and then there we be a collective decision about who will shoot who.
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Toad, why is it so difficult for you to write in any level of detail about the other players in this game?
If i take a look at your old town games or even at the set-up talk from this game you tend to write an awful lot.
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Ideally payl would shoot zealos but i don't object to you shooting him toad
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My notes on payl:
makes valid points about zentor
may want to kill toad
lurker
claims he can shoot
I feel like i am missing something....
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QUOTE]On June 15 2012 07:57 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Leaving in 15 minutes, so if you have anything you want to ask, use that time. If today's shot is going to be between payl/Zentor, I'd rather see payl shot.[/QUOTE]
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EBWOP
On June 15 2012 07:57 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Leaving in 15 minutes, so if you have anything you want to ask, use that time. If today's shot is going to be between payl/Zentor, I'd rather see payl shot.
well this is sorta shitty timing
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On June 19 2012 06:36 Zealos wrote:
Let's see the result of the shot before we get too upset about it.
with respect i woulod like to wifom some more
On June 17 2012 02:49 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
As I've stated before, I think payl needs to die as well Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And marv, would you be happy if we had payl shoot zentor or vice versa? Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'd like you to shoot payl right now. Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 08:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Go with payl. He's the guy who I feel like supersoft is try the hardest to shift focus away from. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Tomorrow we'll have toad shoot payl. From there we move to kita. Eight different times you mention how you want payl dead. Based on the number of times you request his death, you seem pretty confident. So why are you shooting the only player to hit scum? The previous game Occam's razor was your best friend, but now you're convinced he is scum. Why are you shooting at 3am in the morning? If you truly felt you were about to snipe the godfather, why aren't you interested in seeing how other people react? Did you just figure your time was up based on my post before the night and wanted to get the shot in before I could hit you?
every spoiler clicked is like a slap in the face
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Remember that tomorrow might be lylo. I think that one of these zealos and kenpachi need to die tomorrow.
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since no one has claimed roleblock since wbg (me) day1 we (or at least I) can infer that mafia have been roleblocking and killing their targets+ Show Spoiler + or they have been roleblocking people that decided not to claim because of....
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On June 20 2012 04:51 Zealos wrote:
Dirkzor - Town
Zealos - Town
layabout - Unsure
Kenpachi - ???
RebirthOfLegend - Town
MrZentor - Leaning Town
Toadesstern - Town
I want to see Ken shoot layabout or MrZentor. Thoughts?
Why did you just post a list that shows the varying degrees to which you think players are town at night?
Why do you provide no explanations whatsoever?
Why have you not formed a coherent stance on me?
Why are you willing to let Mr. zentor die when you have 4 town reads you are leaning town on Mr Zentor and you are unsure about 2 players?
Need i point out that there are only two anti-town players left?
I think that zealos should shoot kenpachi.
Also no shooting early on! People (should) have stuff to post.
+ Show Spoiler +*glares at everyone with contempt*
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It is very important that if i am alive i have the opportunity to post tomorrow.
Please don't fuck up another game.
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On June 21 2012 02:54 Zealos wrote:
Post now, you're dying tomorrow.
Suck my dick.
I have to wait until day to post it because posting it at night would be harmful to town.
There is no reason for town to shoot before i get back to the thread and have a chance to post. Tomorrow may be lylo and an early shot is a less informed shot.
The only two people that have expressed a desire for me to die are zealos and kenpachi.
The reasons zealos has given are defensible from his standpoint (except that he doesn't explain any of his town reads and yet still offers them publicly) and kenpachi has told us that i am scummy.
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ahem
On June 15 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:Zentor is town. You point out bad play. none of this is a scumtell. How could allow Ace that you take WBGs spot. not necessary if you keep up this play :-( Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots. oh boy please... are you scum or what?
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I never said so but i was sat my last A-level exams this week. And yet i was still more active than most of you. WTF?
Because of this i didn't have too much time to read the thread think things through and make (what i hope were) good posts. I also spent a little too much time going over hypothetical situations and this only served to confuse me. Despite this i still made much better notes than i have in the past.
If i had been reading the thread more carefully then i would never have made this post:
On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote:I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting. I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler +I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy).
When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler +If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK.
If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK.
If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler +His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting
Why? Because i would have noticed this:
On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 15:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm wondering what's likely here:
RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad...
...or...
RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away.
Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp... Wait help me follow the logic here, if RoL is SK then he has to shoot, so he fakes having his gun stolen and shoots FreelanceSatan. Scum take a shot at him and he gets saved? It does seem possible, and I wouldn't put it past RoL to pull something ballsy like that. I'm very leery of the "my gun is stolen claim." Whatever happened, it's certain he doesn't have a gun now but that doesn't preclude him being sk and faking in a ballsy manner. I'd like for someone to summarize the major points on gonzaw, using quotes if that's possible. From what I saw, bugs wanted to kill him and several people pilled on. Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote:
The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle.
If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two.
If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle
If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot
I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return.
I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping.
It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt. Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita.
When Meapak explicitly asks "Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion?" and then goes rogue and shoots a "player with a green check from flipped cop that had just shot a gun-holding mafia" without any discussion it should have been perfectly clear that he was not town.
lesson: Don't get lazy. Be thorough.
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