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Why I want rastaban to shoot me:
On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.
I support this!
Here is the 1st post where he basically takes a stance on something game-related.
He says he supports me shooting or wbg shooting me.
However, by this point he only posted setup-related fluff. The only thing game-related (who he thinks is scum, etc) was him thinking RoL was most likely Miller if there weren't any counterclaims today.
Yet now he all of a sudden jumps on the wagon to shoot me.....
On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote:
The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners.
risk.nuke
Kenpachi
payl
gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot.
ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him.
Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?
Except he now thinks I'm town and doesn't want to shoot me.
It seems like he basically forgot he supported a claim from someone wanting to shoot me.
On June 12 2012 22:46 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:09 Dirkzor wrote:Well as I also wrote in the Policy lynching thread I'm all for setting up rules like these that enforces a townlike behavior. So no arguement there. But MZ does have a point that whoever shoots are most likely a townie. So we shouldn't just kill them... A point that was no way clear from Kita's post. In other news: I think MrZentor might be scum. Go look at his filter. He very clearly have been following the thread. On June 12 2012 05:26 MrZentor wrote:
I never thought of that, Gonzaw. o.0 But he haven't really put any thought in what he have posted. He seems to jut be posting in order to increase his filter. He also seemed to get very defence for no appearrant reason during his only real response in the thread: On June 12 2012 02:30 MrZentor wrote:
He was trying to copy my reason for being suspicious of Rastaban, but he confused Rastaban with chaoser.
FAIL On June 12 2012 02:34 FreelanceSatan wrote:
I just woke up bro. And im not trying to "copy your reason" im agreeing with it. highlighting it and supporting it.
You dont like when people support your reads?? On June 12 2012 02:35 MrZentor wrote:
There's nothing wrong with copying as long as you do it accurately and add on your own ideas.
I have an irrational fear of being misquoted. >.< So any reads MrZentor? Anything? Thanks for bringing this up, I forgot about him. He really needs to start posting content, and he does seem very scummy. I will try and get some time to review some of his other games to see if he is always so useless to town.
So....where are those "reviews" you promised?
You never mentioned Zentor again
On June 13 2012 00:23 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 23:40 MrZentor wrote:If you really want to shoot me or something at least wait 24 hours into D1 so you don't waste the whole day and so we can put some sense into you. His insistence on waiting until most of the day passes before shooting. I personally don't find people's opinion on certain plans (or policy lynches, etc) alignment telling at all. So no matter how much someone talks and talks about plans, I can't analyze their alignment based on their behaviour, if everybody else is discussing plans as well. This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say. + Show Spoiler +What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not?
Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there).
I think they did it like this:
1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not
2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun
Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public):
Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list.
That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun).
This is the beauty from the plan:
Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues....
...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game.
Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day.
Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made).
So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group.
Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK.
Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use:
1)Their medic saves on the gunners
2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners
1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them
2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later.
That was the way it would work in the 1st game.
Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit
What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy? This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it.
Also, something I found along the way. Pretty sure
1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles
2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night
3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway.
I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop. Chaoser wanted Gonzaw to shoot at dawn, effectively killing 24 hours of discussion. That's exactly what scum would want to happen. Regarding the plan of guns and not guns claiming, don't you think even the mafia without guns will claim they have guns (maybe 1 won't) so we just end up shooting all our blues for a few days? We don't know how many blues town has so we won't even know if mafia is the group. I don't see how that plan helps anything it isn't like the goons are going to admit they have no guns. We end up have some people claiming to have guns, who don't have guns, but how do we decide who it is? We are back to square 1 but now they know which townies have guns and who doesn't so they can shoot acordingly. We just give them even more information while we are just as confused as before. Unless I am missing something this is a very bad plan, plus we should worry less about plans and more about about posts. I agree Chaoser trying to push the shot so fast was very very bad. Chaoser, why did you want to stifle so much discussion?
...except here you talk to Zentor...but instead of trying to figure out Zentor's or my alignment based on Zentor's defense of me....he only dwells on that plan I posted and ignores everything else (of course he says that my plan is shit).
On June 13 2012 00:32 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 00:24 chaoser wrote:On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote:
Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy? I'm ok with gonzaw shooting me right now. Wow that's an incredibly bold claim. Are you that good at picking out scum, because I got a townie vibe so it is quite shocking for me to see someone so certain. Maybe I am being too sure of things I shouldn't be. I had him pegged as stupid Towney for the giant plan that failed due to not even reading the OP. I like to think that ROL is actually the miller so his defense of him seems like something mafia wouldn't due (sticking their neck out for someone else), especially after they apparently tried to hit last night (Missing KP and no one else claiming to have been hit). I haven't seen you give strong arguments for his guilt though(maybe I missed it)... are you swayed by Marv's reasoning or do you have your own?
Again, he thinks I'm town, repeating the same thing he said previously (that the only arguments against me are that I defended RoL last night and he didn't think a mafia would do it).
On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote:
I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks.
If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him.
So here he jumps on the "let gonzaw shoot or be shot" wagon again...even though he thought I was town.
On June 13 2012 03:24 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2012 03:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nevermind on the supersoft bit. His most recent 2-3 posts make it far less likely.
We should have Zentor shoot gonzaw. Very happy with this I concur with this statement.
Now he just straights wants me shot (he concurs on Zentor shooting me).
No indication of what changed his town read on me
On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote:
@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.
So he changed his town read on me to a scum read just because I couldn't shoot.
He never specified he thought I was town because I could shoot initially, and afterwards he never specified he thought I was scum because I couldn't shoot (until he was called out on it).
He still hasn't contributed on anything else, not even on Zentor as he promised to. He just made his flip-flopping on me, and discussed about Millers and plans...even though it's not N0 anymore.
And I think he can't shoot either, because of this:
On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.
I support this!
Supports wbg shooting me....not volunteering himself to shoot me.
On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote:
I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks.
If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him.
Supports chaoser shooting me...not volunteering himself to shoot me.
On June 13 2012 03:24 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2012 03:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nevermind on the supersoft bit. His most recent 2-3 posts make it far less likely.
We should have Zentor shoot gonzaw. Very happy with this I concur with this statement.
Supports Zentor shooting me...not volunteering himself to shoot me.
On June 13 2012 04:03 rastaban wrote:
Sorry gonzaw I won't tell you if I have a gun or not, Scum is already trying to snipe our VEs as it is, you will just have to wait and see.
This basically seals it for me, he doesn't have a gun.
Not only that, but he's diverting attention off it by saying that scum are sniping "VEs" (I guess he meant VT's).
Why does claiming blue have anything to do with sniping VT's? There have been like 5 people that claimed they were VTs already, if scum are sniping VTs at most they'll be "sniping" them, whether you claim you have a gun or not.
What difference does it make?
This convinced me he has a gun, but his previous behaviour and the fact he's trying to dodge the issue of claiming a gun based on bad reasoning makes me think he's scum.
Of course if I'm somehow wrong and he's VT he can change all this by shooting me and proving me wrong.
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On June 13 2012 07:42 chaoser wrote:marv, shoot him. I want to see it from you. Especially since you said: Show nested quote +To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim.
Shut up chaoser.
Why wouldn't you want rastaban or even payl/other lurker shooting me?
marv can prove he's VT by shooting later, wouldn't you want someone more suspicious to prove he's VT first?
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EBWOP:
My rastaban case:
This convinced me he DOESN'T HAVE a gun, but his previous behaviour and the fact he's trying to dodge the issue of claiming a gun based on bad reasoning makes me think he's scum.
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Someone should shoot risknuke and kitaman soon too.
Cephiro has disappeared as well, not a good sign at all coming from him (whether he's nice and all like in DF2 or just straight up crazy like in Liar Game)
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On June 13 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so) I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him. I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved. He really doesn't want Marv involved. He about cried when chaoser suggested it.
How about you guys try to make connections about my supposed "scumteam" after you kill me and see I'm scum? (if not you'll waste quite time in doing once I flip town and you are forced to abandon that).
I don't want anybody that claimed they have a gun already, AND were eager to shoot me (supersoft, wherebugsgo, marv, chaoser, Toad perhaps), because:
1)It's very unlikely they are "non-GF" scum
2)If they were, they will be forced to shoot later when the pool of suspects has lessened, and they'll get caught there
So anybody from that list I posted earlier (check it) is fine to shoot me.
I'd prefer rastaban because I think he's scum, but payl/kitaman/Cephiro/etc are all good.
Now can someone please tell me their thoughts on rastaban and if you think he's town, or scum?
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On June 13 2012 07:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:On June 13 2012 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I really don't want more good looking people to claim either way. EBWOP This this this this this. We already have several people lined up, let's not give scum more information by dragging more people into this.
What information do you give them....?
That you want someone else to shoot me? What info would they get out of it?
If you choose Zentor to shoot me it's the same thing as if you choose rastaban to shoot me....either he does or doesn't; what other info are you talking about?
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When does this day end?
I wouldn't want this to end before Zentor/payl/rastaban attempt to shoot me.
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Hey! That picture is old you are not actually petting your kitten! > : (
chaoser...what do you think about rastaban?
Also people, once I die please be sure to reread my filter, the plans I made, the accusations I made and take them into account (every time I die everybody completely ignores what I say....except when I accuse a townie and they jump on that accusation (like in LIII ) )
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On June 13 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I really feel like someone should shoot gonzaw already. This is just horrible. He's trying to get more and more people claiming and everyones growing impatient because the people that are supposed to shoot him are all not here... and it's 1 am in germany... just mentioning
There's no way you can't go through this game without someone claiming.
If someone shoots me they claim they have a gun...if they fail to shoot me (post the #kill thing and it doesn't work) they claim they don't have a gun.
Now I don't get why me trying to get the guy I think is scum (rastaban) to shoot me is a bad thing *sigh*
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Talismania is lurking too I see.
It's very likely most scum just lurking away in this list:
-kitaman
-risknuke
-talismania
-Cephiro
-payl
-Zentor (perhaps)
-Kenpachi
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On June 13 2012 08:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I really feel like someone should shoot gonzaw already. This is just horrible. He's trying to get more and more people claiming and everyones growing impatient because the people that are supposed to shoot him are all not here... and it's 1 am in germany... just mentioning Toad what do you think about having someone who has already claimed to have a gun just to shoot gonzaw now? It would be really nice to get payl or zentor to shoot but the longer this goes on the more idiots are claiming.
Ok, let me get this straight:
1)Most likely there are 3 non-GF scum and 1 GF scum
2)The non-GF scum are NOT likely to straight up claim they have a gun and come THIS CLOSE to actually shooting.
3)Because of (2) if someone straight up claims they have a gun and are very close to shooting and he's scum he is most likely GF
4)There are a bunch of VTs this game, way more than there are GFs (which is most likely 1).
5)Because of (4) and (3), if someone straight up claims they have a gun and are very close to shooting it's more likely he's VT and not GF
6)Because of (5) and (1), if someone straight up claims they have a gun and are very close to shooting it's more likely he's town and not scum
This whole plan was to force someone we think is scum into shooting, out himself as a non-gunner, and get killed later because of that (because it's more likely he's a non-GF scum than a blue).
What benefit is there in forcing someone that because of (6) is more likely town to do so?
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On June 13 2012 08:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 08:01 gonzaw wrote:On June 13 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I really feel like someone should shoot gonzaw already. This is just horrible. He's trying to get more and more people claiming and everyones growing impatient because the people that are supposed to shoot him are all not here... and it's 1 am in germany... just mentioning There's no way you can't go through this game without someone claiming. If someone shoots me they claim they have a gun...if they fail to shoot me (post the #kill thing and it doesn't work) they claim they don't have a gun. Now I don't get why me trying to get the guy I think is scum (rastaban) to shoot me is a bad thing *sigh* because we think you are mafia and therefor I don't care who you think to be mafia, because again, we think you're mafia.
So you don't think I may be bussing rastaban?
Remember SoaF where I bussed 2 of my 3 teammates on D1?
Dude, I promise you that if I was scum I'd be bussing the hell out of my teammates right now, and rastaban is surely one of them, so go check him out.
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Well, that was initially my plan (everybody claims if he has a gun or not and they take turns shooting those that don't), so even if that was the case I don't see anything wrong with it
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Right so basically this day is completely wasted and all lurkers/Zentor/rastaban won't do shit since they won't be forced to shoot and someone that's almost confirmed VT will shoot me, that's what you are saying?
Fine whatever, have it you way. Just fucking shoot me yourself if nobody is even trying to make this day productive.
I'm leaving to the gym and be back in 2 hours or so.
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Yes, this is turning out exactly like it does in UG.
I'm FoSed in D1 for random reasons even if people think I'm being pro-town, and then everybody ignores what I say just because "you are mafia and we don't listen to mafia".
Then after I'm killed they'll say "oh fuck why u so scummy gonzaw?" and then they'll continue to ignore everything I said (and most likely go and lose the game).
Should have smurfed along with Coag.
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Okay, I tried to "analyze" and catch scum (in rastaban) but everybody ignores me.
Okay, doesn't matter (even if this day will be wasted by having chaoser/marv/supersoft shooting me), just take it into account once I flip.
Oh yeah, we also have like 10000 lurkers (include top-notch players like kita) that just didn't even try to appear in the thread. Yeah I'm sure there's nothing wrong there, I'm sure ALL scum already posted in the thread and ALL of them claimed they have a gun (/sarcasm)
Well, I'm going away so GL town
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At least I wasn't lynched!
(fuck yeah my unlynchable run still continues)
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WTF WE WON!!!????
ALLAH AALLAH WTF ALLAH
Zealos I was so close to sending you obscene things because of your laya shot 
Also lol Zentor why did you shoot at night?
Just abstain from shooting at night and wait for the Day Post to instantly shoot Dirkzor.
If Dirkzor shot Rol/Zealos at night, then since you shoot Dirkzor at daytime you'll be 1v1 with Rol/Zealos (the remaining one) at night, but you have your bullet (since it's a new night) so you win.
You only lose if Dirkzor shoots you (but you'd lose anyways if this was the case).
lol thank god you didn't though 
EDIT: Seriously omg I thought this was unwinnable for us
I guess Zentor shot Dirkzor and Dirkzor shoot Zealos (with that list he sent wbg) right?
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Omg I still can't believe it
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On June 22 2012 16:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
gg all. I played a pretty bad game but I stand by my supersoft shot. Had cephiro not been killed by the sk and had dirkzor been active the game would have been very winnable due to the town basically freezing up after my shot.
Ah well... Supersoft for MVP btw, he had the entire scum team picked out at one point or another with very few errors.
If it wasn't for my green check on him nobody would have believed a word he said, so you can give me credit as well.
>_>
<_<
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