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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 18:38 GMT
#468

@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:03 GMT
#474
On June 13 2012 03:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 03:37 rastaban wrote:
Well he also messed up the formatting as well, but does it matter, refusing to shoot and not shooting are the same thing correct? I mean I think we all believe he can't shoot or he would have, that is nothing to hide. The real questions is, is he Scum or is he Blue?

He claimed Miller on Night 1. Then in the morning he claimed he had his gun taken away. He needs to shoot. If he does, and nothing happens, then it means he either had his gun taken away, or he was lying about being a miller, same thing as what we were at. If he can shoot, then he lied about having his gun taken away, and I'd say he's scum then. The whole point of people claiming miller was to get them to shoot as soon as possible to confirm themselves. Then he claims he can't shoot anymore, and introduces the worry of there being a role that can take away our guns. There's no reason to make that lie as town. This is to make sure he's at least not lying about not having a gun.


Wait I was referring to Gonzaw shooting himself, ROL is the one who claimed Miller... I think that is a great idea too as if he was GF claiming Miller he would still have his gun. If this is what you were referring to earlier I misunderstood and it is a great idea!

On June 13 2012 03:45 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote:

@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.


I don't want my role to create more chaos.

If I'm being shot (someone puts ##Kill: gonzaw in the thread), then I'll claim my role.
But until then it will only serve to distract people (they'll start thinking "Oh what if his claim is real? Oh what if we let him live and bla bla bla?").

In the off-chance I survive this (not likely), then scum won't know my role either.



rastaban, if it came down to it, would you shoot me?
You say "so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you...."

So, it is time to kill me because I have accusations against me...but not because you think I'm scum?
Also, me having a gun or not had nothing to do with your "town" read on me.


Sorry gonzaw I won't tell you if I have a gun or not, Scum is already trying to snipe our VEs as it is, you will just have to wait and see.


Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#483
On June 13 2012 04:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 04:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 13 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles.

RoL already tried to shoot and it failed.


With totally wrong formatting. Come on man.



On June 12 2012 15:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm heading to bed, but here you go
##kill(##Kill): marvellosity


If you have type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and you can't actually kill someone I will just ignore it.


Close enough I think
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:13 GMT
#488
Is the format in the OP "##kill(##Kill): marvellosity" a valid format for shooting someone or does it need to b eone of the 2 methods deconduo posted?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#496
On June 13 2012 04:14 marvellosity wrote:
why are you asking the mod a question he already answered?

Bah your right, I thought it was answered before he fired, please ignore my stupidity there as I just looked at Ds filter and didnt go back and look at it in the thread.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 20:41 GMT
#530
On June 13 2012 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although it's a good read if anyone wants to know how to play SK LIKE A BAUS.

haha, I was wondering the other day if SKs have ever won and then I happened upon that game...
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:20 GMT
#581
On June 13 2012 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
What about shooting payle instead of gonzaw?
If he's truely a DT I can live with him being alive and mafia can't because they don't want him to get more checks because the moment we see his flip we know wether or not we can trust him.
If he's mafia and survives n1 we shoot him tomorrow?

I like this plan a lot, and with him being macho there isn't even WIFOM on if he is protected. I am guessing they won't hit him either way, but it gives us another check the moment he flips tomorrow.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#595
On June 13 2012 07:28 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Actually wait about the RB. We started with n0. Did anyone claim being rb'ed ?


wherebugsgo claimed RBed

So if you are Rbed, no one else better claim to have been RBed.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#604
[/green]While we are at it, Did mafia roles get assigned or did they get to pick who got what rolls? (like choose who is GF)[/green]
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#605
EBWOP
While we are at it, Did mafia roles get assigned or did they get to pick who got what rolls? (like choose who is GF)
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 13:24 GMT
#690
On June 13 2012 21:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh... I don't seem to be able to conprehend stuff this game... =(

Sorry kita! Still doesn't make sense with Kenpachi...


maybe those people requested replacements and Kenpachi didn't...

On June 13 2012 21:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 12:07 MrZentor wrote:
I don't see how anybody could have thought Gonzaw was scum after that claim.

The balls of steel was the sort of detail which sum doesn't have the time or energy to fabricate.

In set-ups like these mafias usually get fake claims or can request fakeclaims or at least ask what the PMs are like. So really the balls of steel thing was a null because if he was mafia he would have had the same information imo.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 12:16 MrZentor wrote:
I thought you guys would have waited at least an hour before the end of the day before shooting, so I thought I would be on at the end. -.-


Sorry the deadline is something like 8am for me and it was already 2am. I'm not going to make it until deadline or even 4 hours prior to deadline, ever.



Deadline shots according to when the shot is fired right, so now the deadline will be 2am so you will be there for the next (or at least close to it)

This is why looking back now the most pro town move would have been to push super hard for a 48 hour day, it was mentioned by a few people but no one really pushed it (including me), we ended up talking about plans etc... and then not enough people voted for it so we lost that initiative. It looks like we have people playing from a lot of areas so it is hard to get everyones input in a single cycle....


Any way, time to get back to the task at hand. Lets review this mis-lynch... I have the feeling it was heavily pushed by townies as the mafia could just stay inactive but it is worth reviewing. Also time for everyone to reread his filter, even if at the end it is mostly directed at me. I think I have been playing very pro-town so far so hopefully people can see that it was a townie desperately trying to help but placing suspicions in the wrong direction.

A lot of time night is best used for reviewing and discussion is for the day but in this setup we are never guaranteed a day so it is important to discuss during the night.

Also Supersoft being confirmed (or nearly so) as town is really nice, I would love to hear more from him on what we should do next. If Gonzaw was right about him being a key player and he has been checked we can hopefully learn a lot from his discussion on the topic at hand.

I need to do more re-reading with the information at hand but currently I am seeing lots of green posting, maybe I am naive but not a lot of people are registering as scum to me yet so as I said I really want the lurkers to start posting. Risk, Payl, Kenpachi. We know Risk is getting replaced but the rest of these, something needs to happen. If things don't change we may want to start having our suspects shoot into that crowd to confirm themselves.




Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 13:26 GMT
#691
EBWOP (need to proof, sorry)
Deadline shifts according to when the shot is fired right, so now the deadline will be 2am so you will be there for the next one (or at least be awake near when it occurs)
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 14:12 GMT
#694
On June 13 2012 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
rastaban, you did flipflop on gonzaw like a mofo.


True, Guess I should have stuck to my guns instead of listening to everyone else in town. I haven't played mafia in what, a year maybe, He made a massive plan that would never work since he hadn't read the basic rules of the game, I assumed he had to be a "stupid" towney (No offense Gonzaw just mean that you are winging it and not paying too much attention nothing personal). Thats what Ver said in his guide about players who push big plans and don't read setups, but it isn't 100% mafia can make stupid moves and once you read the guide as mafia you might push a big plan day 1, esspecially one that you know can't work.

The moment day appeared someone wanted to shoot him and I had to go to bed as it was late and I had to work in the morning so I agreed with the plan that we make him shoot someone. Why, because I still thought he was green and his shot would confirm him and end the pointless discussion, I even said that at one point. When we found out he didn't have a gun it was too late to save him at that point since he couldn't confirm himself by shooting someone scummy.

Someone whom is suspected by most of the town then doesn't have a gun, my only argument for him being town was that mafia would have payed more attention to the setup than a Towney. What about a blue, well they usually try to be a bit more hidden so it didn't fit, on top of that he won't claim forever (He should have claimed much earlier) and then his argument for picking soft was just atrocious.

I still stand by the second plan where I agreed with keeping him around and shooting someone else and see if mafia kill him.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 14:15 GMT
#696
On June 13 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 22:26 rastaban wrote:
EBWOP (need to proof, sorry)
Deadline shifts according to when the shot is fired right, so now the deadline will be 2am so you will be there for the next one (or at least be awake near when it occurs)

no it won't. I thought so as well because I'm pretty sure it was 12hours nights earlier in the OP (which would have shifted the whole thing by 12 hours at least, making it 6pm instead of 6am for me) but that's apparently not the case because it's 24 hour cycles and on top of that the nigt is extended to make up the deadline switch... This night is 28hours instead of 24 hours (so I guess it's realy 6 am because the shot was 2 am for me and 2+4 = 6 :p )


Oh wow I was confused, time to list myself as stupid Towney too for not reading the end of that post. Well, while that sucks for you personally, it does slow the game down a bit so we do get more time to review during the night phase.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 15:09 GMT
#702
On June 13 2012 23:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 23:50 MrZentor wrote:
If what Toad says is true, then it isn't really THAT anti town to shoot a few minutes into the day, because then we'll basically have a 48 hour night.

Right?

I don't know if it's true. I just assumed it because of the 28 hour night instead of the usual 12 or 24 hour night. I guess Ace can't make it earlier but I wouldn't realy on that. I could see him being a dick and instead of expanding the night by 23 hours (when shooting within first hour) instead shot shortening it by 1 hour leaving us with a 23 hour night :p

On top of that I'd rather have the day to discuss things because we have to be careful about what we say at night or mafia will just leave us the players we're suspicious of while shooting the strongest townreads we have.


Also you can pressure mafia about shooting them at night as you could get killed for it (especially if you are pressuring town since we might mislynch thinking they killed someone b/c we were getting close.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 15:10 GMT
#703
* can = can't
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 17:37 GMT
#712
On June 14 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 01:11 Toadesstern wrote:
About the mason thing: Screw that I don't need a mason when I got Supersoft and we can just speak german to pseudo-mason :p

Or even better, ask a question in german, the answer is the key to unlock an encrypted text like this:

Was ist der Plural von Apfel?
+ Show Spoiler [encrypted] +
##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ ITGAH BJTVG GAKRT GCFJU UXUPO UWAGE XUFHV DIHAA NCJTW WMMVO
RUWAV KJCNF AQASM AIMHG GFISQ LHJNV IVBTE CAKKP GCHVB SNVJK BMEIV
JVJTD APUQI BWVDA ANWLM JKIIO VATOO HFAXE LFHCI CILLM QGMKS HSTNQ
GCSNK LEAQV XTMFE GAUDC LRBSV FHURH BGBWG OPGOJ DSOSF RERXV FLWVU
XJTJA JMNHF RLWOA EQHNE AWJWG VHMKM XAAXX EFDJV KWSAR CICDI DCRDI
LDTGM XVFLV OTJEP QUBSG VGQEG OMNLB LLJXI TVAJS WHEMG RLPBU XLMIJ
HJTPR RAMEU DNOML JAUNI OBVQU XDXJJ UHKUR LVHMT BOLXK SELQM IFJVE
ARPTP BBOIV XMJCM AWFIU QXFSD TJWSL IEODD MFMTW MLWIU QNNWJ WXVRO
GSGUH LHQKX INUMP TTJBC DRIDR RLQHK XGUGX NKFWD LVHLB KGETN GFBCB
XUUPE PKFNX IMHIF KAWUO HVZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message


I'm shooting you when I next can

No kidding, you can't just let a guy take the piss out of you like that!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 19:27 GMT
#719
On June 14 2012 02:37 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2012 01:11 Toadesstern wrote:
About the mason thing: Screw that I don't need a mason when I got Supersoft and we can just speak german to pseudo-mason :p

Or even better, ask a question in german, the answer is the key to unlock an encrypted text like this:

Was ist der Plural von Apfel?
+ Show Spoiler [encrypted] +
##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ ITGAH BJTVG GAKRT GCFJU UXUPO UWAGE XUFHV DIHAA NCJTW WMMVO
RUWAV KJCNF AQASM AIMHG GFISQ LHJNV IVBTE CAKKP GCHVB SNVJK BMEIV
JVJTD APUQI BWVDA ANWLM JKIIO VATOO HFAXE LFHCI CILLM QGMKS HSTNQ
GCSNK LEAQV XTMFE GAUDC LRBSV FHURH BGBWG OPGOJ DSOSF RERXV FLWVU
XJTJA JMNHF RLWOA EQHNE AWJWG VHMKM XAAXX EFDJV KWSAR CICDI DCRDI
LDTGM XVFLV OTJEP QUBSG VGQEG OMNLB LLJXI TVAJS WHEMG RLPBU XLMIJ
HJTPR RAMEU DNOML JAUNI OBVQU XDXJJ UHKUR LVHMT BOLXK SELQM IFJVE
ARPTP BBOIV XMJCM AWFIU QXFSD TJWSL IEODD MFMTW MLWIU QNNWJ WXVRO
GSGUH LHQKX INUMP TTJBC DRIDR RLQHK XGUGX NKFWD LVHLB KGETN GFBCB
XUUPE PKFNX IMHIF KAWUO HVZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message


I'm shooting you when I next can

No kidding, you can't just let a guy take the piss out of you like that!

Just an FYI, this was a joke
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 22:39 GMT
#730
On June 14 2012 07:09 Kenpachi wrote:
fuck i cant understand what you have in the encryption lawl

Reading it isn't enough, you need to know the culture as well

0-3
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 22:43 GMT
#731
Hmm nm 1-2 then. Graz guys?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
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