TL Mafia LV

On May 26 2012 07:26 EchelonTee wrote:
I thought this was your catch-phrase?

On May 28 2012 06:43 Toadesstern wrote:
ok done reading. I think ET is the most likely to flip mafia for these reasons:

"reasons"

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I'd give him a decent chance to flip mafia right now but I'd like to see him posting more because I'm not sure if he's really the best case yet but I find it troublesome that people consider him a good option right now for nothing other than his "I care about noobs"-posts.

On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:

You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said.
You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town.

Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol.

Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?
And no I can't be RB'ed.

On May 28 2012 12:10 Sinensis wrote:
EBWOP: If a mislynch is going to happen, which in all likelyhood it will because that's the nature of day 1 lynches in big games, I would much rather lose grush than someone like, for example wiggles.

On May 28 2012 12:47 Sinensis wrote:


That middle paragraph is what it sounds like when a point flies at high speed over someone's head. I have nothing to add other than: DUH. Of course wiggles isn't getting lynched today, because his posting is good. He is an asset to town, the opposite of what grush is.

And I'm not going to "drop it." That is my platform. You don't like it, don't vote for me. If I get elected mayor, grush is dying.

RE: grush

None of those 15 lurkers ruined my last game with poor play. Lurking has nothing to do with why I want you lynched.

If I get elected mayor, grush is dying.

On May 28 2012 12:57 Sinensis wrote:


How about this, you find me a confirmed mafia and I will happily support their lynch instead of grush's.

Hear that mafia? Go ahead and reveal yourselves now. -_-...

On May 28 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote:


I didn't compare them. Don't believe me? I'll show you:



I said I would much rather lose grush, A NON-ASSET, than a valuable town asset, LIKE WIGGLES.

There isn't a comparison there. Everything you have typed in the last 10 minutes has been unsubstantiated.

Thanks.

On May 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote:


Must be dumb then if those are my only two options. So what makes my post a red herring other than that I compared grush and wiggles, which I didn't do in the first place?

[from the practice of drawing a red herring across a trail to confuse hunting dogs] : something that distracts attention from the real issue

I would much rather lose grush than someone like, for example wiggles.

On May 28 2012 13:57 MajuGarzett wrote:

What's the issue its drawing attention away from though. I don't see him mentioning Wiggles as an issue at all, wiggles was probably just the first example of a good townie that he thought of.

On May 28 2012 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:


Whoawhoawhoa pal...I'm still up for Leader and if you step outta line I waste you!

On May 28 2012 14:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Tell me a story about Kitaman MZ.

On May 28 2012 16:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ this shit is gold are you getting all this?

On May 28 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ I want your opinion: obviously in an ideal situation the town comes to a consensus on a lynch and there are no problems. But is it really in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power?

On May 29 2012 06:06 EchelonTee wrote:
dammit, my case got semi-buried. Read if you haven't plox.

MZ, opinions on the lynch as it's proceeding?

Going to LoL. Will be around for deadline.

On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote:
Things like this, it´s just bad!

On May 29 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote:
can you summarize me what happened in the last TL.net mafias so far? And why are people voting wriggles and this Echlonguy into office?! What happened to kitaman? why isn't he running? can we vig him for that or is that his new townstyle? World is crazy

On May 29 2012 08:25 Toadesstern wrote:
I think the case is: Guy proposed a policy lynch and wanted to run for mayor on that policy lynch. Ever after he has been useless.

I am somehow scared wiggles might end up lynching me.

On May 29 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Sup. I think I'm going to use a random number generator to get the first "target". No matter if 3rd party, mafia or town the guy has to claim the mason thing he he wants to survive the day after seeing me flip and surely catching scum in a QT isn't bad either.

That being sad I want protection this night as I am HIGHLY likely to be shot. I don't care if it's a medic or a jailer because again, I'm roleblock-immune.
There's harly a better place to put your protection this night.

If you want to make use of me protect me. I will be confirmed within 24 hours.

On May 30 2012 03:39 austinmcc wrote:
You want them vigged because you think Zealos will get lynched tomorrow? Or do you want a third bullet.

On May 30 2012 04:10 supersoft wrote:
kita isn't doing anything? Where shall I look at?

On May 30 2012 04:22 supersoft wrote:


what is this? "write an analysis" I already posted what I think about you an wiggles. Why don't you tell me what you think about wiggles? Do you think it's normal townbehaviour, to be elected to chose the lynch and not participate at the final discussion about it?

And another question:
Do you REALLY think I am scum?! Or do you even know I am not.

On May 30 2012 08:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Mz you got a thing or what

On May 30 2012 14:56 kitaman27 wrote:


Or you could save your time and focus your efforts elsewhere.

On May 30 2012 15:21 kitaman27 wrote:
sToFu has been playing pretty appologetic thus far.

On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro.

On May 31 2012 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote:


the last game wasn't lost by lazy townies, it was lost by people not using their brains.

I agree that we shouldn't be lazy but let's not fearmonger, yeah? I don't agree with your VE case and I don't think it's a very good idea to be trying to kill him right now. VE's play is fairly hard to read and he tends to do things that other players do not as town. He's fairly active and bold as both alignments and so what we need to do is force him to take sides on issues that matter.

I.E, if he's scum we need to force him to bus all of them.

On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler +

The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there).
Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff.

Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler +
Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread.

So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler +
Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths.

So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler +
Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him.

The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler +
Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it).

This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler +
So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy.

And now this:+ Show Spoiler +
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-.

Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler +

So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler +
Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler +
I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler +
Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this.

Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler +
Not much to add there.

VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler +
But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t.

For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler +
Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again.

This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler +
Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs.

OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler +
VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say.

Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler +
Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this.

Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler +
Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing.

Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler +
Talk about a manufactured issue lol.

Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler +
I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.

On May 31 2012 14:11 Probulous wrote:
ROFL Meapak, you're fun to play with. Your second half matches up nicely with what WBG was saying about VE jumping all over the place.

Can you answer my earlier question
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250&currentpage=78#1559

Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight?

On May 31 2012 14:28 Probulous wrote:
How we haven't lynched yet?

I mean it should have been obvious that Toad would be confirmed when he announced who he was masoned with and that person confirmed it (in this case you). The rest of your case is great but a large proportion is about a scum VE discrediting Toad, which would never lead to his lynch.



TLDR: Toad would be confirmed town before the lynch vote, why discredit him?

On May 31 2012 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gaz, the video-game playing Town Vigilante

I shot at Zealos last night. I was roleblocked.

Let's please move on.

On May 31 2012 14:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
¡I breadcrumbed it!

On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler +

The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there).
Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff.

Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler +
Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread.

So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler +
Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths.

So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler +
Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him.

The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler +
Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it).

This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler +
So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy.

And now this:+ Show Spoiler +
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-.

Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler +

So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler +
Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler +
I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler +
Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this.

Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler +
Not much to add there.

VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler +
But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t.

For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler +
Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again.

This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler +
Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs.

OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler +
VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say.

Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler +
Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this.

Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler +
Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing.

Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler +
Talk about a manufactured issue lol.

Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler +
I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.

On May 31 2012 14:58 Probulous wrote:
Can you at least link your crumb?

On May 31 2012 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you want to know about it? MZ knew exactly which post I was talking about. If he's town, and if I died overnight, I'm pretty sure he'd have said something about that very post considering how hot to trot I was about Zealos N1. It's not supposed to make sense to everyone Maju, it's only supposed to be picked up by very observant and by people knowing what they're looking for. That's what a breadcrumb is.

On May 31 2012 15:50 Probulous wrote:
Wow the crazies are lining you up VE.

First Maju and now the speaking intestine himself. Seriously Manason, can you post something of substance that doesn't relate to your "movements".

On May 31 2012 16:10 wherebugsgo wrote:


so if you died and flipped vig you think an upside down question mark would make it apparent that you tried to shoot zealos?

That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard hahahahaha

On May 31 2012 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't like lynching VE cause he always flips town whenever he does scummy shit.

On May 31 2012 14:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol VE's not a vigi. Here's how setups like this work, in Annul's harry potter game the entire town essentially claimed and outed the mafia because the mafia had no idea what roles were in the game and accidentally claimed roles that townies had. In order to prevent some sort of imbalanced shit like that happening, mafia are given a list of "safe" claims which townies are guaranteed not to have. This removes the unfair aspect of the harry potter game where the scum had no where to hide once people started claiming. I think our dear host even alluded to this here:


I suspect our dear friend VE is simply grabbing one of the "safe" roles the scum have. Please don't fall for it.

On June 01 2012 03:39 Mattchew wrote:

i just said why your case is bad. k thx

On May 31 2012 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
To Meapak: regarding the VE and Toad issue. In my head it doesn't add up. What does scum VE gain by casting suspicions and theorising about toad even AFTER he has you pretty much confirming him today? As far as I can see there is no productive outcome from him doing so, people clearly aren't going to be getting suspicious of Toad at this point. In fact the only result of him continuing on about it is that people look at him weirdly and you get to write a story about it.

I get that he's been front back, left right, up down with regards to Toad. What I don't get is why he'd do so as scum, why he almost voluntarily posts a target on his back by posting about it.

On June 01 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:
Mz can you explain ve's reaction to my claim from a scum perspective?

On June 01 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
THAT, guys, is the icing on the cake. Not me thinking MZ is scum, but all the lurkers coming in and flocking to VE.

Do you guys want to lynch who the LURKERS want to lynch? Really? They're not reading the game...they're not even playing in the real sense. Vote with me, I'm reading. I'm trying. Kill Kitaman or Zealos or Wiggles or take your fucking pick...don't lynch claimed Town Vigilante.

On June 05 2012 14:52 Probulous wrote:
To our real medic



We will convince the doubters, somehow. Kita is red and he is wriggling out of this lynch like I thought he would try to do. He had no other option and so chose the best possible claim he could. His breadcrumb makes 0 sense.

MZ, I take it you think my cases against him are shit then?

On June 06 2012 12:00 Manason wrote:
I read all the time, I just never post. Posting requires me to go digging through peoples filters and finding evidence. I'd much rather state my opinion and let others do the convincing.

On June 07 2012 09:04 Hyaach wrote:
Vet as in veteran in TL mafia.

You claimed to be shot. Kita claimed to protect you after you claim to be shot. Pretty easy to breadcrumb if both are mafia.
What counter-claim would there be? Mafia could be holding back 1kp to make this work.

On June 07 2012 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
I don't believe anyone telling me anything about mafia holding back KP. Never. Ever.
That's not going to happen and if it happens it hurts mafia more than town even with town thinking the "shot" guy is confirmed town.

If that's how mafia plays I have no problem with that and I have no problem with mafia holding back KP tonight to make it look like Kita saved someone because they're giving us a free lynch that way.

On June 07 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:
Sorry Meapak, this is not a judgment on your case or your play but damn I laughed when you wrote that. It's like destiny

I'll take a look over ET's filter. I had him as pretty much town in my books but I have been wrong. Can you do me a favour and give me your thoughts on austin?

All you mentioned about him is

On June 08 2012 04:21 Toadesstern wrote:

that's actually a point that I considered as well. I asked you about your role in the QT (and instantly told you to not tell me) because I wanted to know wether you are a vet or if it was something else. The story is still a bit weird though.

On June 09 2012 07:13 Kenpachi wrote:
if YOU would read the fucking thread, maybe EYE will read the fucking thread. OK?

On June 10 2012 01:34 marvellosity wrote:


This is random. Care to explain?

On June 11 2012 03:25 Kenpachi wrote:
go for it.

On June 19 2012 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
The manason lynch was awful when there were two better targets in maju and papanda.

Kita claiming medic removed him from the scum suspect list unless something weird happened the night after. At that point if maju and papanda die back to back you've flipped four relatively new scum. Wiggles was next.

The only question mark was the last scum who happened to be marvellosity. Certainly the game was winnable but both the hyaach and manason lynches were really really bad.