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On June 06 2012 11:47 Manason wrote:
Three things.
1) Look at my filter under the notion that I'm just a lazy town and everything should fit.
2) I made a mistake in lynching VE, but nothing to be done about that now. The evidence I was referring to was MZ post.
3) I urge you all to still look at Kita, because if you want to turn a skeptical eye towards me fine, but at least lynch scum first.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:In the words of the immortal WBG Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 15:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, you're not reading the thread so that affirms my suspicion you're scum.
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On June 06 2012 12:00 Manason wrote:
I read all the time, I just never post. Posting requires me to go digging through peoples filters and finding evidence. I'd much rather state my opinion and let others do the convincing.
No, you didn't actually read. Because if you did read, you would know that we have a way of dealing with the Kita claim overnight. You don't mention that at all, so I conclude you didn't read it.
Now you are abstaining from finding scum and would rather other people do the work for you. Sorry mate but in this town, you carry your weight, or the rope carries it for you.
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On June 06 2012 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
My dear fellows, where on earth is our fair mayor?
He clearly doesn't want to play, so maybe we should help him out?
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Changed vote. Will explain when I get to comp. Should be obvious. Check filter if in doubt.
From phone.
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People with their tin foil hats are stupid. Toad is town, besides the absurdity of having Meapak , Kita and Toad as scum (which is what you would need) Toad would have had to have been framed on Night 1 as well when I checked him. Like I said, I think Grey gave me Toad as my target to secure my sanity given I replaced in. It's just so unlikely that is it is the case than I happy enough to lose to it.
People need to read the thread. 
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On June 07 2012 07:49 Hassybaby wrote:
Yay prob is back!
Switching your vote Proob?
You never read the thread do you?
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Austin here is the situation.
Toad claimed mason, masoned MZ who confirmed receiving it and Toad has a green check against him. Besides that he has been open and clear about his reads. MZ claimed a hit which Kita says he stopped. Well if we can get some clarity around Kita, than that helps us with MZ. I understand your scepticism but you need to be realistic. The chances of scum taking that risk AND the night actions from others lining up perfectly is very very remote.
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On June 07 2012 06:41 Hyaach wrote:
I would like a third party to flip through Toad's filter because he claim to answer me three times but i can't find it.
And if its 3 times today, it does not count.
I'm fine with Maju and Manason. Manason moreso tho.
Why does it matter to you? Either you think Toad is scum (in which case give us a reasonable scenario where this is possible) or you are digging for useless information and discrediting Toad for no reason.
If you think Toad is town, than tell me why this information is so important to you?
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Urgh
I am not telling people who I will be checking tonight. I won't be putting a list out or anything like that. So don't ask.
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On June 07 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Told you we should have lynched Maju once I saw the people voting mana...
At least it was no lyncher work.
Still going with the plan?
I'm going to make a post before the deadline to sum up reads.
Yes, we need some clarity of Kita and this is the only way it getting it. I will put my final reads together before the day post because I suspect I wont see sunrise.
For those not versed in the plan here are the scenarios that might play out.
Only I die
It is likely that I have been doublestacked. Kita will claim a protection that failed. You guys have to work out what to do with him. This is the situation I think is most likely to happen. It isn't terrible as I have effectively bought you an extra day.
I die and someone else dies
Kill Kita. No if, no buts, he dies.
Kita and someone else dies
I come back with a check and we get clarity on Kita and if he is telling the truth, some clarity of MZ.
Neither Kita nor I die
Mafia are playing some ridiculous game, but that doesn't bother me because we get another night of checks.
Any questions?
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Toad, as much I would like you to mason me, I think it is a bad idea. The chances are high that I die tonight and I suspect some people in this town may object to you masoning three dead people in a row.
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On June 07 2012 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
Where's Probulous? He's still on kita and he helped me push this Manason case, so he should be moving his vote off kita pronto.
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On June 07 2012 08:30 Hyaach wrote:no one pointed it out except you and kitaman and i'm inclined to believe either of you. Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote:On June 06 2012 17:17 EchelonTee wrote:
About the whole "there needs to be veterans in scum team" or whatever.
I spam that because it's important to be aware of the possibilty, and not to be complacent, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. In MTG mafia recently, it was Navilus, Katina, HiroPro, and Zealos. They are competent players sure, but WBG and VE were both town, yet fought at lot under a pretense that balance dictated their opposal. Another example is SoaF, where scum team was myself, gonzaw, Bluelightz, and cccalf, vs. VE and BH. You don't NEED a scum vet; it's just a possibility.
Anyways, if we're talking scum vets, I'm leaning Wiggles at this point. Why is he so hilariously AWOL? Are you busy or something?
It's appearing that the greatest consensus is towards killing Manason. There is no medic counter claim, so I do not want to lynch kita right now. Like someone mentioned, if probe+another dies, then we lynch Kita. If probe doesn't die (or kita dies) then his claim is truer. If Probe dies alone, then it's null. Either way, the path of least risk is to not lynch kita, and his actions are decently explainable at times. He's mostly been wishy washy/not scumhunting that hard, but then again we were all wrong about VE, weren't we?
I want another mason in the circle to claim by tomorrow day, at the latest. I have a sneaking fear that MZ is doing a crazy ass mafia plan with toad. If another mason claims to be part of the circle, then I will no longer have to consider that fear as deeply.
There a million possibilities or WIFOM, blue fake claims, etc etc, but the least risky proposition right now is to leave kita, and lynch elsewhere. Since Manason has claimed scum a few times, let's continue lynching down the line.
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##Vote: ManasonI haven't read those games but yeah if there's only few vets in the game there won't be mafia vets most times and you make it look like there were few vets in those games. If there's 2 or less vets in general it's usually no mafia vet. About 1/3 or 1/4 of vets usually "should be" mafia. If you don't even have 3 or 4 vets in a game a mafia vet would be "imba" because they shoot the other town vet n1 and instantly win the game that way. Just look at WoF and what happened after Rad and I died... 3 fucking nolynches in a row (kind of, a mislynch inbetween because town was furstrated) because noone knew what to do anymore with Rad and myself being dead. It's a bit tricky because WBGs C9++ games tend to be completly true randomized for example and so are other games but most people see to it that it's even vet-vise. So basicly I completly disagree. We NEED a scumvet. There's no way greymist will make a game that is 6 newbies vs Toadesstern, Supersoft, Mr. Wiggles, Forumite, kitaman27, VisceraEyes, (Kenpachi) and all of them are town. Yes I know foru flipped 3rd party but as far as I understood it was town favored 3rd party and we're still missing the mafia favored 3rd party. Especially with WBG replacing in as town as well. ET pointed it out here but you choose to ignore the bold and divert the attention to balance. We don't lynch on balance design, we hunt scum on scummy post. Then you decided to discredit the case and multiple times stated you are town MASON. Why? to reinforce that image into lazy town's mind? No you are not confirm is what I want to say here. Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 23:39 Toadesstern wrote:Actually screw everything I said about myself, about austin or about kita. We're NOT lynching kita today. I have the most awesome plans of them all to combine all of our problems. Kita claimed medic and mafia already lost their RB. Here's the plan- Lynch someone who's nick is not kita (right now it looks like mana although I'd prefer maju)
- I call out who I will mason at the very beginning of the night, OPENLY and I will choose to most townish looking guy around.
- If kita is a town medic he will medic that dude no matter what.
Either way we're good.: - If the dude survives because they went for 2 other guys I'm not only confirmed but also mod-confirmed townie while kita remains the same as before. At the same time mafia went for 2 people who are looking not so townish which I am totally fine with.
- If the dude gets hit by one shot and kita saved him Kita's good and and I am mod-confirmed although that's not going to happen because no way mafia is that stupid.
- If the dude gets doublestacked Kita remains the same as before, will claim he mediced him no matter if he's town or mafia. I am still confirmed town just not mod-confirmed but we lost 1 townie instead of 2. I am very much liking that scenario as well.
- If we see 2 people dead and one of them is the dude kita was suppossed to protect / I masoned he's a goner.
Can anyone see drawbacks to that plan? I like it very much atm because we're probably going to maka mafia shoot into people they don't want to shoot or make them doublestack when they don't want to. What's this? Everynight action revolves around you? Did you forgot our Cop claimed? Oh right, if you divert potentially everything on you, our cop will not be protected. In the chance that all 3 of you are mafia. Cop will die. you will shoot another town. or double stacked our cop. and maybe out the last member of your mafia.
What is with people and not reading the thread 
Read what Toad wrote at the top of THIS page. Seriously Hyaach you are bugging me now. Answer my earlier question
On June 07 2012 07:57 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 06:41 Hyaach wrote:
I would like a third party to flip through Toad's filter because he claim to answer me three times but i can't find it.
And if its 3 times today, it does not count.
I'm fine with Maju and Manason. Manason moreso tho. Why does it matter to you? Either you think Toad is scum (in which case give us a reasonable scenario where this is possible) or you are digging for useless information and discrediting Toad for no reason. If you think Toad is town, than tell me why this information is so important to you?
Do you think Toad is town?
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I'm following Toad's advice when it comes to Hyaach.
MZ, what are you going to do with Kita if I get doublestacked tonight?
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ROFL Toad, follow your own advice man
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On May 25 2012 16:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I feel like an addict. /in
need to kill EchelonTee On June 07 2012 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Tomorrow we should kill either ET or Wiggles.
Barring probulous nailing a scum I will be working tirelessly towards this goal. Sorry Meapak, this is not a judgment on your case or your play but damn I laughed when you wrote that. It's like destiny 
I'll take a look over ET's filter. I had him as pretty much town in my books but I have been wrong. Can you do me a favour and give me your thoughts on austin?
All you mentioned about him is
On May 30 2012 03:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 03:39 austinmcc wrote:
You want them vigged because you think Zealos will get lynched tomorrow? Or do you want a third bullet. good post
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On June 07 2012 09:15 Hyaach wrote:
A free lynch is only good if you get scum.
It could be 12 or 11 players tomorrow assuming there's only 2 KP from mafias left. 6-7 to lynch. You just need to convince 3 townies.
And if i may add, apart from Maju, Me, Hassy, Austin, Kenpenchi and [big]Papapanda(i've never look through his filter)[/bog].
The rest have the ability to post a good case.
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ET pushed a Zealos lynch pretty hard on Day 2 when VE was on the chopping block. When I defended Zealos he came back with this post
On May 31 2012 13:49 EchelonTee wrote:No probulous, by god. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. This is the crux of the case on Zealos. You replaced in, so maybe you don't have a frame, but this one post is why Zealos looks incredible scummy. You don't find scum by making an extended PBPA case; anyone, literally anyone can do that. You only need 1 post to find scum, and this is it. I'm sad to see that the spam continued. Do you know what is happening right now? It's the Avengers: we're all arguing with each other instead of consolidating. Stop the infighting, and kill Loki, aka VE. VE scum, Zealos scum. We lynch Zealos today, thats it. Stop spamming. We're not lynching kita.
Now sure he had VE as scum but he clearly wanted Zealos over VE which I don't get if he is mafia. Much easier to jump on the bigger wagon which just happens to be town. Plus he defends Kita who is town (presumably, grumble grumble ). Surely it would be more beneficial for him (if he is scum) to make the lynch between VE and Kita and let the Zealos case die?
Outside of a major longterm bus, this needs some explaining in your case if you want my vote.
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Alright Kenpachi, do you think MZ is scum?
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