EPTMZ's case contained some valid points and that breadcrumb makes absolutely no sense. A lynch of VE would also be much more informative than the lynch of gambit or zealos. Lynches on Kita and Hyaach are to me less well substantiated as well as unlikely to materialise.
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MZ's case contained some valid points and that breadcrumb makes absolutely no sense. A lynch of VE would also be much more informative than the lynch of gambit or zealos. Lynches on Kita and Hyaach are to me less well substantiated as well as unlikely to materialise. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote: And there you have it - the resident lurker places his vote, surely to vanish into the night. My fate is sealed. With a kiss. A case is coming, it's dominant. Probulous I asked you to check out Storm earlier, if you've done that the case will be much easier to read...I'll reference it a lot. In short, Kita's town play is easily identifiable, as I'll show, and his play this game is not his town play, as I'll also show. If you can prove your breadcrumb makes any sense I'll gladly change my vote. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you want to know about it? MZ knew exactly which post I was talking about. If he's town, and if I died overnight, I'm pretty sure he'd have said something about that very post considering how hot to trot I was about Zealos N1. It's not supposed to make sense to everyone Maju, it's only supposed to be picked up by very observant and by people knowing what they're looking for. That's what a breadcrumb is. A breadcrumb should also make sense when it's pointed out. To me that post just signifies you were suspicious of Zealos. Even after its revealed I cannot see how anyone was ever supposed to glean that you were vigilante from it. Many people suspected Zealos and could have pulled up any number of posts and made a breadcrumb as convincing as yours. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote: No one is SUPPOSED to glean that I'm a vigilante from it...crumbs are for determining targets posthumously....not for proving claims Maju. On May 31 2012 15:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No I wouldn't have said anything about zealos because it wasn't a breadcrumb. A breadcrumb is where you spell out who you're hitting or the name of your role using the first letters of each post or name your role in a certain manner or something clever like that (that's a tip kids write it down). That way there's no ambiguity when you say "hey guys I'm an ___ and I breadcrumbed here." What you did was post a little symbol which means nothing, allowing you to tell us how to interpret it however you need. I only knew which post you were gonna reference because with the amount of time I've spent reading your filter I knew there wasn't anything remotely close to a real breadcrumb. I and apparently MZ would disagree. I have to sleep now so perhaps you'll be able to prove your innocence by morning. | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:21 supersoft wrote: You ask the wrong questions. Better ask yourself why I found scum and you didn't. We need to talk more. Not now. Too late for me. What scum did you personally find? Everyone suspected Zealos. | ||
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You say my content to post ratio is low, I think this stems from a large part of my posting being questioning on questionable logic that I have noticed. Though it perhaps doesn't look like much as not many of the posts are that long, I feel it still helps discern valuable information to be used when voting for lynches. I don't think I have been all that wishy washy. I have taken a stand and voted accordingly both nights. If you or WBG have any questions I would be glad to answer them. | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:50 Probulous wrote: He was actually one of the first. Between super and Forumite, the day 1 Zealos wagon started. I don't like his play since then but I have to give him credit for that. Ahh, my bad, sorry Super. | ||
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On June 04 2012 10:38 Probulous wrote: Maju what is this? You hardly mentioned VE before this post and then suddenly he gets your vote? You don't even wholeheartedly agree with MZ's case rather it just has some valid points? You also give youself a nice excuse not to vote for either Zealos or Gambit. As far as a I can tell from your filter you thought VE was scum because MZ said so and you didn't understand why VE breadcrumbed the way he did. Then comes this post Which you never follow up on. In fact you don't even post before VE flips. You had no real reason to vote for VE whilst there was plenty said about Zealos or Gambit but you conveniently found a way to slip your vote in without making a stand. You don't even call VE mafia, rather his flip would provide more information? Well what information did you glean that you wouldn't have gleaned from an actual mafia flip of Zealos or Gambit? I know some people have looked at Maju but the rest take a look and let me know what you think. I did think VE was mafia, I just never explicitly stated it. I agreed with MZ's case and therefore said it made valid points. I didn't mean that to be taken as me not agreeing with parts of the case. I think you make my decision to vote for VE seem less thought out than it was. I didn't just vote because MZ said VE was scum, I voted because MZ constructed a logical argument that I agreed with. I never followed up on the second quote as I saw no reason to change my vote. This argument seems to stem from the diction used to phrase my thoughts but I assure you that I did agree with MZ's case and I did think VE was mafia. I assumed people would see that I thought VE was mafia as posts such as "I have to sleep now so perhaps you'll be able to prove your innocence by morning" made it quite obvious that I thought that way. | ||
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On June 04 2012 14:02 EchelonTee wrote: Maju: opinion on Marv and Manason pls. Lynch or no? Gotta get those M's in place. Has there been a case made on Marv to look at by any chance? I don't think I saw one. I've felt pretty safe about him though. I'd not vote for his lynch unless I've missed some really obvious scum tell. Manason would be a good lynch I think. Marv's case on him was pretty sensible though I hope that Mana comes back to reply to it fully and also to present the promised case on Kita. I also found it strange that Mana never really commented on other cases on Kita and just went and said he'd construct his own case. It would make sense to do this if he had different reasons for suspecting Kita than others do but from what I can see he has only expressed agreement with the cases. He could be trying to avoid looking like he's blindly agreeing with people by saying he'll make his own case. | ||
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On June 04 2012 14:39 wherebugsgo wrote: answer one question: what's the single most important thing marvellosity did this game? Start a case on Mana? | ||
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On June 06 2012 09:08 kitaman27 wrote: Since you are around, could you provide your opinion on everyone else you find noteworthy? Those couple of sentences arent sufficient if you hope to live. Well other than Manason, I'm suspicious of Hassy and papapanda While I have been accused of a dearth of informational posting, Hassy has also been a culprit in this matter. The first real instance seen of him posting an analysis of anything occurs here: On June 03 2012 05:19 Hassybaby wrote: My main read as it stands it Manason. Take the other posts aside for a second, but Bh and myself saw this at the same time it seems (well we ARE the same person): Fuck lynch for information. Fuck whether you can get a switch going to another person so we edefinitely get a lynch. AT NO POINT is it a good idea to vote for a guy to be lynched that you think is not scum, and most definitely not one you think it town. He said he had doubts that VE was town, but that doesn't mean you vote for him...that's like his thinking "well the best way to find out is to kill him!" And imo a no-lynch is so much better than lynching a townie. That's why I took my vote off. I really don't like that thinking. It's the same shit that acro and I suggested in Holy Roman, and that turned out balls. He says that he and BH came upon these posts at the same time but seeing how this was posted after BH died, it would have been fairly easy to say he found it while in fact just taking BH's thoughts and not really having to scum hunt. His next seeming analysis was of Kita On June 04 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote: Fs...erased my message 3 times now.... ET you picture was....actually quite accurate. I feel that kita has made some town posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: I wanted to work together VE! I really did! But then you shunned logic and focused on your nonsense manipulation arguement to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings VE. I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? Furthermore, why were you unwilling to push a case on me without Meapak's support? If I was truly your number one suspect, why does he have to push the lynch on me, rather than yourself? + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 12:34 kitaman27 wrote: Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. but has shown some scummy posting too: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote: Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. so I've come to a null. But when I come to a null, I put them as slightly more town as compared to people who I've barely seen. Personal thing. So I put kita as a bit closer to town as, say, austin or kenpachi. Thus me saying I like that. So I'm null right now, possibly leaning more town but that's purely gut feeling. Then again, my gut was why I took my vote off VE... But this read comes out null. From what I see Hassybaby just hasn't contributed all that much. Marv made a good post on papa on the previous page. Along with that post On May 30 2012 11:29 papapanda wrote: My question, is zealos a better lynch candidate than hyaach? PS: Grush has starsenses. On May 31 2012 07:01 papapanda wrote: Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material... Not sure what happened in AC but I take it that you mean 2 town mason factions, unknown to the other, could each select a single individual each night, command carried out by each respective recruiter? And this is the purposed situation with Gambit? Until Gambit responds my vote would be on gambit right now. By the way, by withheld information i meant all information not accessible by someone who is not mason. I was aware of Toads claim of extra mason, but I didn't intend to imply anything more that what my post clearly asked. Here he starts trying to lynch Hyaach but doesn't bother explaining himself at all. Its as if he just wants to suggest stuff and hopes that someone else will do the scumhunting for him. Also, he hasn't posted very much. | ||
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On June 06 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote: In the words of the immortal WBG Could you explain please? | ||
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On June 06 2012 10:45 Probulous wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=122#2435 Unless you think I am a lying scum, or he was framed last night, you weren't reading the thread. The fact that you didn't even mention that he had a green check against him says you didn't read it. Yeah, I admit, I was rather busy last night and skimmed over most of the thread and only paid attention to Kita being red and forgot all about the other checks. Just disregard anything I ever said about Hassy. | ||
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On June 06 2012 10:53 MajuGarzett wrote: Yeah, I admit, I was rather busy last night and skimmed over most of the thread and only paid attention to Kita being red and forgot all about the other checks. Just disregard anything I ever said about Hassy. Well actually, just disregard the part about him being scum, I still feel he was playing rather scummy fashion. | ||
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On June 08 2012 08:57 Probulous wrote: It won't work. Right now I want to hear from Maju. The silence is deafening from most of this thread. Wiggles, you just got check so please show some initiative. There is still a chance you're the godfather or were framed. Contributing absolutely dick, is not good enough. What would you like to hear? I've responded to the cases I've seen. If there's one I missed and you want answered just quote it and I'll respond. | ||
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I've already given my thoughts on that. They're not much different except for that manason flipped town. | ||
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