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On May 31 2012 06:33 Ange777 wrote: So a Mason Recruiter would be able to invite one random player into his playgroup every night?
That is what Toad is claiming he is, as far as I can see. Call it what you will - the name doesn't really matter, only the function.
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MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro.
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Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie?
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That's nice...post a whopper and excuse yourself from its discussion.
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Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election.
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On May 31 2012 07:06 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie? Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad?
That was a gross exaggeration based on an angry reaction I had to one of Toad's posts...which I explained in a post soon after. I couldn't see a townie motivation for volunteering the information he volunteered, so I angrily asked Wiggles to just remove him from the equation. It was mostly a joke. Mostly.
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.
Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers").
What do you think?
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On May 31 2012 07:14 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate.
Nonono, Toad was never not in the running as "confirmed" * non-scum.
And I wasn't "flinging mud" at Toad man, this is the lie. I simply don't take Toad's word that "I'm not manipulable". I think Toad is a skilled enough player, but EVERYONE to a degree is manipulable and someone who's talking to someone else privately is not someone I want holding the abort button on a lynch man...period.
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
Actually, Wiggles I'd REALLY like your opinion...you're firmly in the Gambit-For-Lynch camp, yeah? What do you think about this post by Zealos?
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Toad do you think I'm scum? Really? Like, deep down? Because every time you mention me as a lynch candidate a little piece of my soul dies, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't all in vain.
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On May 31 2012 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything. More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness.
I mean...I didn't come to a conclusion...I made an observation. Are you saying I can't observe a cognitive disconnect?
Whatever, I'm trying to justify to myself moving to your target, argue with me all you want dude. -.-
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On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Were Mafia given a list of the possible roles that is more accurate as far as the variations than town received in the OP? Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me
NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION
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##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos
No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push.
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On May 31 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote:On May 30 2012 22:45 supersoft wrote:okay how many people took bullets? MZ took a hit wherebugsgo took a hit both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now. On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote: Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died. I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere? fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude. @Supersoft, I know Matthew mentioned this but you never answered. How do you know that Matt claimed the hit before the hit PMs were sent out? He claimed after the Day post so my assumption would be that people knew if they had been hit. WBG and MZ never said anything about the PMs being late.
Yeah I don't know what this is about either - I received my RB notification BEFORE the Day post, so I don't know why he's saying that Mattchew is lying because of the timing of "hit PMs"...I would assume all that stuff would be sussed out before the Day post goes up. *shrug*
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Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter?
"lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me.
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Why did you flip around a question about Supersoft to be about me Toad? What is going on here?
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On May 31 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 08:22 EchelonTee wrote:So your logic is 1. lynch Zealos 2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here. I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+Moreover: GambitX32 - (4) Blazinghand VisceraEyes Mr. Wiggles Ange777 Zealos - (3) marvellosity Toadesstern wherebugsgo Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal. ET this isn't desperation, this is my perceptions of the stuff happening right now.
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I don't even have a vote on me right now ET, to say I'm "desperate" seems like posturing to me - see how that feels?
How about instead of just inventing scummy things, we just observe what's happening and comment on it?
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And ET, I've spent plenty of time defending myself...You really want me to waste more time defending myself? I'm trying to get my scum suspects lynched...I don't have time to defend myself against half-assed accusations based on nothing but their interpretations of my actions which are totally and completely baseless.
I don't think you're scum ET, but I also don't want you taken in by what's happening here. There's a good lynch going on between Zealos/Gambit. Evidence? There's resistance. Solution? Kill 'em. Let's kill 'em. Together.
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