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On May 26 2012 02:03 zelblade wrote: Dude hes the SK (most likely) I will post my thoughts on who the last scum and the traitor are tomorrow. Its late and I dont feel like typing out a long post now. How about a preview so we have something to discuss? | ||
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I agree that Toad is most likely traitor. It makes sense for him not to want to lynch any of the three day 1 if he thinks there might be scum in there and he's trying to help them out. | ||
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Allow me to patronize you as you're clearly patronizing me: + Show Spoiler [My points on Toad] + On May 26 2012 01:14 Snarfs wrote: I think Toad's either the last mafia or a traitor. Mainly because on day 1 he was trying to find any reason possible not to lynch Sentinel (or anyone in the group at all). Many of which included trying to explain how all 3 could be town. I could understand not wanting to lynch into them because you think you have a better scum target, but trying to explain that all 3 could be town seems to come from a different mindset. This only makes sense if you don't want to start lynching into the group at all (ie. you want them all to live so that the scum in the group doesn't get found out) Some of his reasons for not lynching into the group include: a) They could all be town b) If we mislynch we could potentially lose a strong blue role c) We get 0 information from the lynch d) It will cause confusion e) It's a 2/3 chance to lynch town for nothing f) even Qatol would be a better lynch candidate than those 3 although he's looking pretty townish right now ?? This is full of contradiction: He would do what risk is doing in his position, but doesn't like what he's doing? This is just plain wrong. I don't really remember people claiming he has a townie mindset, nor that he is doing things for towncred. At this point, come tomorrow, I would prefer his lynch over anyone else who might seem scummy. It's too much of a stretch for me to believe that Toad actually thought all 3 of the people in that group could be town. IN SHORT: Me saying Toad is traitor or scum because one would have to try really hard not to think in order to actually believe that all 3 of risk.nuke, marv and Sentinel could have been town. On May 26 2012 06:44 Toadesstern wrote: Snarfs are you making things up or didn't you read my filter before making that "case?" Thanks for the attempt at misrepresenting me, yet again. I'm not sure if it's because you lack a certain mastery of the english language, you're just being a jerk, or you are actually scum, but at least have the courtesy to address what I actually said. Of course I read your novel of a filter before posting. Do you think I want to sound like an idiot? | ||
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On May 28 2012 03:53 marvellosity wrote: I may have missed this, but why are you so set on Misder? Because risk.nuke is claiming to have been roleblocked and we know Misder is a roleblocker. If there is no traitor, then Misder must have roleblocked risk.nuke or risk.nuke is lying. That is why. @Qatol: I would shoot zephirdd tonight. I see Toad as more of a Traitor role than a scum role. If neither of those two are scum, then I would definitely consider lynching Misder. | ||
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That being said, I would like to remind everyone remaining that Mattchew is still in this game, and the fact that he's been coasting off a dayvig shot since day 1 with very little scum hunting is concerning and the remaining town should not forget about him. That being said though, I still believe the lynch today is Toad. I would like to hear more opinions from everyone who has played games with him in the past, even if it's just a general feeling you get from his gameplay. If you feel that he isn't a good lynch today, explain who you think should be lynched and why. We can't just assume we have this game won until the last mafia is dead so help everyone else out by making sure we get this right today. Toad, I doubt that sandroba is the last mafia. Is zelblade still your second choice? Would you lynch him over Mattchew? Could you rank your top 3 scum if that's not them, preferably with reasoning? And no more discussing day 1, we have enough info there. If you do end up being lynched today and you really are town, I want to make sure you've given us as much information as you can, so please try to make your posts as clear as possible. sandroba, you agreed Toad is probably the last mafia. If he isn't, who should be lynched next and why? Especially since you said that you can't see zelblade being scum. Everyone else, please pitch in! | ||
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Here's the reasoning I gave to marv for why I believe sandroba is town: I'm not saying he hasn't done anything unusual from his town meta, but to be fair, look at Palmar who is most obviously town or the game would be over right now. Similar thing. This game has been weird and I wouldn't be surprised if others agreed it was weird. Plus, why not just vote risk.nuke day 1? Why come up with some bullshit reason that Sentinel must be traitor, just to vote him instead of saving him for the first night, unless he actually believed that Sentinel could be traitor? I really do believe that the scum team tried to save Sentinel day 1 and that if sandroba wanted to bus Sentinel he could have come up with less of a weird theory (one not involving traitors). If sandroba wants to bus someone, he can just say that he thinks that person is scum because of some legit reason and if he's right everyone agrees that it's a town sandroba. This sandroba came up with some weird traitor theory that noone else had come up with even though there were a bunch of votes on Sentinel. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure you're scum. I second guessed myself recently in PMs with marv. However, I believe that if you are town, your death will add a lot more power to your words. I believe that with current information, you're more likely to be scum than zel or sandroba, and apparently a few others agree based on the voting. That being said, if you die and flip town, I'll be more than happy to consider everything you've said as genuine. | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ... That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p is probably the most useful thing you've said so far. Why can't all your posts be this simple and informative? | ||
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On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote: I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum What about Toad makes you think he is town? | ||
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On May 25 2012 20:01 Palmar wrote: I'm asking for a replacement out of the game. Consider me out of the game until the mods or I (with their blessing) find a replacement. If he was scum the game should really be over by now because he conceded and there has been no replacement. I give a 0% chance Palmar is scum. I think the general plan in my head right now is to lynch either sandroba or Toad, then if they flip town, lynch the opposite one. If it turns out both are town look at zelblade and everyone else again because if Palmar gets modkilled that'd be mylo. | ||
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 .I've asked him to redact anything that wouldn't follow GM's rules in regards to flaming people so hopefully he does that. I guess I die tonight and I don't really have much to add now. Palmar should probably be modkilled which gives you one more mislynch before mylo. Obviously don't lynch on mylo if you feel you can still get information from anyone in this game. Lynch sandroba tomorrow for not caring enough. Especially consider the fact that he proposed no lynching on day 1 rather than lynching into the triad, but he completely ignored Qatol's case on PaqMan. If he's town, really read over the thread again before jumping on zelblade as I think he had a decent point about zelblade claiming that there was something fishy going on in the top 3 well before the information came out. Sentinel's reaction to my pressure made it seem like there was no intention of busing in the top 3, at least to begin with, so keep that in mind when reassessing the situation. I don't want to start throwing a bunch of blame around people as that would give mafia good ways to manipulate you. | ||
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He's way too neutral in all his posts and he hasn't really pushed anyone at all this game. Like on day 1 rather than try to convince people himself that Sentinel isn't scum, he tries to get Toad and Palmar to convince people: So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum? Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? He tries to say that people are stupid for voting Sentinel with the only excuse being that Sentinel is a vanilla town, but it was really overemphasized, as Palmar pointed out. Or throughout the game, he seems really hesitant to give scum reads. You can read his filter for yourself and see if you agree with me on that one, but that's the impression I got. I got a lot of a "safe" feeling from reading his filter. Trying to say things but not really saying things. One thing that stood out to me though: Misder probably town. Only scineario where I would consider him not town was if he was traitor and last scum is RB. Unlikely. Followed by: Which leaves us with misder, sandroba and toad. I am relatively sure the last scum lies within either toad or sandroba, though I have yet to decide which. Leaning toad at the moment. Busy today, I will make a decision when I get back to the thread tomorrow. He doesn't make it clear how his thinking changed from Misder being town unless he's traitor (which we now know he isn't), to being one of three remaining scum. At least sandroba's thought process seems clear. Then, like Qatol said, there's the fact that all he claimed day 1 was that shenanigans had taken place, yet he didn't actually claim his role until it was apparent Sentinel was going to be lynched. If he had claimed his role a lot earlier, it would look good. This should probably only be a null tell, not a town tell as I'd been reading it, so really you shouldn't be using this as an excuse to not lynch zelblade. Simplest explanation at this point is that zelblade is mafia. He was voting risk.nuke and I still think that counts for something. Anyways, zelblade or sandroba, probably the simplest explanation so yea. | ||
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f you hit mylo and you want to no-lynch, you don't want the person who's role you don't know to be alive... think about what would happen if it turns out zelblade's been a copycat this entire time. | ||
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I was very happy you got me as a mason buddy marv. I was one of the people who had submitted a mason pick, then saw that sandroba wanted it so changed my pick and I really like the role as well. As you guessed, I was obviously suspicious of you to begin with, but when Sentinel flipped scum after you were leaning risk and I gave you the choice of who to pick, that pretty much sealed in my mind that you were town. That and the fact that you kept initiating conversations with me and using me as your soundboard, it was really obvious to me. I do regret not making it more clear in the thread how sure I was that you were town. I understand completely what Palmar means by scumhunting with emotions. That's how Sentinel was such an easy push for me. The people who were unsure weren't online at the time that it all took place, but it seemed as though he was backed into a corner and was starting to grasp at straws. Toad, sorry about that lynch. You really pissed me off though by trying to make me sound like an idiot when you were defending yourself. If you're town, you don't need to do that. Just address the points brought up and if they're logical you can convince the people pushing you that you are town. Qatol's calling out of PaqMan was obviously the most ridiculous play this game. I hope to see more scumhunting like that, and I definitely aspire to be able to do that some day. As for my politician pick, here were my thoughts: Being so low, I could either try for a town role, any of which I figured would already be picked, or I could try to pick a role which could be fun to use if I got and could confirm a scum role if I didn't. I figured that a politician in town hands was a lot more useful than people were making it seem like and I had confidence in my ability to use it near the end of the game if I needed to. The only other choice for me that really would have fit what I was looking for would have been copycat, and I regret not trying for that one. I figured the chances of getting that were too low. I really just wanted any role so picked one that would be unlikely to be picked, but if it was picked already would have been picked by scum. | ||
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