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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 16 2012 20:49 Acrofales wrote: So... prp, I presume you're not on board with the plan to get you vig hit tonight. Who do you think should be hit with a vig shot?1 Your promise to be more active is neither here nor there unless you actually become more active. You have not provided reads on anybody except Sinani and Maju.2 The reason you don't seem like red scum is the combination of: + Show Spoiler [soft defense of maju] + On May 12 2012 05:06 prplhz wrote: Yea I go to dinner and then I come back 2 hours later and then there's 20 pages more. You people suck and I don't think any of you are actually trying anything. This maju wagon is moving at an unsettling speed without anybody opposing it really. The case on him is a bit flaky and I don't know what to think about Carolus Magnus because of this. It's still early in the game. Acrofales, if you don't know who to lynch then lynch into one of the countless people faking posting restrictions 'cause fuck them. with + Show Spoiler [into voting the other member of scum-t…] + On May 13 2012 04:11 prplhz wrote: Okay I really don't know about this Maju thing people are lazy all the time and there was like no resistance to his bandwagon. Since this is plurality it's a little easier to switch lynch and I would rather kill one of the really inactives such as sinani who did just about nothing. I also recall that he did something comparable to this vote of his in another game, I think it was NMMI. ##Vote sinani201 Honestly, I don't really know about everybody because this thread is already fucking huge but sinani is a decent bid for day1 scum. This just seemed like a very very retarded buss4. It wasn't who you voted for that made you seem townie, it was how you did it5. It seemed un-bus-like to me6. That made you look un-saussage-like However, you could easily be schnitzel scum as you haven't actually contributed ANYTHING this game7. Additionally, you were fishing for blue in your PM convo with Opz8. Anything useful ever come out of your marriage? You think Opz is town or scum9? PS. A perfectly good alternative is to shoot Quatol in the face. He escaped the lynch due to either Jitsu screwing up the plan or game mechanics favouring him. There is no reason that should allow him to escape death. 1: Well, shoot Quatol. He could be scum. Don't shoot me. I can't be scum. I'll come up with something better tomorrow. 2: Yea, I don't make lists. If I made a list of my reads you'd probably say "he made a list, he's scum". I gave reads on the people I was reasonably sure of, I said that Carolus Magnus looks town (where is he anyway? he should know that I'm town by now but he's just being lazy), I said that nisani looks town. I don't give out tons of reads, problem? 3: Soft defense? What the fuck does that mean? Do you disagree with anything that I said in that post? Then what is your problem? Really. 4: So you are saying that I'm on maju's team or what? What are you saying? Your case is just you scrambling in panic to write whatever the fuck. Does this in any way make sense in your own head? 5: Cool mantra. Now how did I do it? Can you tell me this or are you just going to invoke some vague notion and then leave it at that? You are saying that I'm one scum team and you are saying that I'm bussing the other. How does this make any sense? What is this? 6: First it's a bus and now it's not a bus. 7: This is just a lie. I have voted and voiced my opinion. I have a 4 page filter. Just because I don't spam like Mattchew and Drazerk and you doesn't mean I didn't contribute anything. 8: So what? I asked him if he was blue and then I told him why I thought he might be jail keeper. What is your problem? Would it be townier of me to act like I didn't notice that he might be jail keeper even though I did? I was being open and honest. Is that scummy? Mattchew already pointed out that I also asked people for their roles in another game (werewolves) where I was town. 9: I was a lot more sure when I married him. Now he's trolling me in PMs and I don't know why. Doesn't seem like any alignment would do this. | ||
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YES_THIS_IS_DOG
United States88 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Not sure about if he's palmar like mattchew thinks, I haven't played with palmar. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 17 2012 07:46 strongandbig wrote: Two scum teams doesn't change my read on qs7 at all. If he's ace he's town, if he's almost anyone else he's 100% scum. Not sure about if he's palmar like mattchew thinks, I haven't played with palmar. If he´s Palmar then he´s scum. Town Palmar is loud and leads town like he´s the Kaiser. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 17 2012 07:46 strongandbig wrote: Two scum teams doesn't change my read on qs7 at all. If he's ace he's town, if he's almost anyone else he's 100% scum. Not sure about if he's palmar like mattchew thinks, I haven't played with palmar. he's palmar | ||
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YES_THIS_IS_DOG
United States88 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
Scumforce One (aka saussages or team red) This shit is easy. It's the same suspects I thought were scummy yesterday (mostly with the same cases too). YES_THIS_IS_DOG: just quoting yesterday's cases, because nothing much has changed. On May 15 2012 19:35 Acrofales wrote: While I'm posting walls of text, lets make another one with Dog's suspicious behaviours. 1. He completely shat up the thread with a fake posting restriction. This was not a Foolishness posting restriction, where he made sense, but posted in limericks, nor a Drazerk posting restriction where he showered Caller in praise. This was a posting restriction where he figured creating an entire page of morse code woofs was somehow a good idea. P-Body then translated this into hex... which finally got translated into regular text. If the anarchists have a QT, look NO further than page 62 for an example of them jointly shitting up the thread COMPLETELY. Even if they don't have a QT, it was a golden opportunity for P-Body to create anarchy in the thread with that crap... and that opportunity was created by YES_THIS_IS_DOG's retardation. 2. Could this be Dog trying to divert the lynch off his scumbuddy? Why yes, it could. There is a townie explanation too, but lets not discard the excellent scum reason for this gem of a post. Fake surprise? 3. The rest of his filter is a discussion of the lurkers. Now I get that most of D2 has been about the lurkers, but some people are trying to make sense of other people too. Dog isn't. He's just blending in with the lurker discussion: a very safe place for scum to hide. There was a reply, but it was a fairly normal justification. There's still not a thing of use in his filter. He also never responded to the pressure from Opz: On May 16 2012 03:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: Why was the reason for voting Maju shit? QS7 seemed pretty fucking convinced, and convincing, despite posting less than 5 posts regarding Maju. He convinced me. He convinced most of the town, with his shit reasons. And his shit reasons were right. But maybe you can tell me what the shit reasons were? You were talking about Forumite a lot? Excuse me? Lets see if I got the impression down right. *growl growl growl wag tail* arf arf arf *growl*...Cool story bro. Lassy afraid of the Noose? I care it makes you suspicious of me? You're scum. I'm completely convinced of it. Quatol: permanently scummy due to his shit posts. Luckily we'll know with the flip what he actually is. So yeah, that list is pretty short. Basically I think we need more information to find any remaining red team members. Sjonnie Wiener en de Schnitzels (aka scum team blue) Holy crap, we have a second scum team. That means everybody who was looking like town by merit of working towards finding the red scumteam is now scum. Wait, Acro? Everybody? No, not everybody. Just most people. Some people actually look townie, regardless of the number of scumteams. In order of scummyness. prplhz: case posted at the start of the night. Here I will simply say why his response is inadequate and he should be lynched. + Show Spoiler [Case] + On May 16 2012 17:54 Acrofales wrote: I agree that we will know more tomorrow. For now we need to reevaluate scum members. I will not be posting reads until just before the deadline; I don't want to give scum any ideas on who I still think looks townie. I am afraid I gave the vigi hit to a possible blue-team scum member and think it would be a good idea to get a town consensus on who to shoot. If the vigi shoots any townie who is not the person we get consensus on, we can lynch the vigi tomorrow. My two main suspects at the moment are Jitsu and prplhz. Of these, I think prplhz has a greater chance of being scum. Zelblade's case is suddenly 100% relevant again, because him being on the opposing scumteam from Sinani makes all the pieces fall into place. Combine this with his extreme reluctance to cooperate with the voting plan and give town information and we have the makings of scum. Additionally, he was lurking all day on D2, until suddenly popping in at the deadline and claiming "swamped". I have been in two games as scum and BOTH games, the scum member's reason for not posting (despite being around) was something vague and undetailed (probably because thinking up a good, detailed lie about your absense is harder than claiming "being busy"). Compare this to GMarshal's reason for dropping off the earth in SSM. Note that the reverse is not true: a detailed account of absense is not a town tell, just a wishywashy one is a scumtell. For proof, see my DFM2 play where I actually DID go for a weekend getaway and was happy to explain that, despite being scum. Jitsu seemed more savvy about it: he dropped in to vote and afk'd back out again, despite the extreme pressure. That seems more like distracted town play than prplhz's play. I seriously dislike the play, but it's entirely possible he didn't read any of the thread in D2, dropped in to sheep in order to avoid a modkill and went back to playing Diablo 3 or whatever the hell he's doing. Anyway, here is Zelblade's, suddenly extremely relevant again suspicions about prplhz: This, combined with the obstruction of the plan (despite actually being in the thread and reading enough to avoid a lynch at the last minute) and his vague reason for lurking makes him a schnitzel. And response, analysed: On May 16 2012 20:10 prplhz wrote: @Acrofales No. Your entire fucking case is that I was afk during day2 and didn't provide a dumb ass easily falsifiable reason for it. Well I don't ever provide a reason other than just "I was busy". Look at this for evidence. I was town and afk that game and I didn't say anything about why I was afk because it's not important. I could pretty easily make some bullshit up regardless of my alignment. My dog died, sup. The only thing you know with certainty is that I was not here. Does that make me scummy? Point is... you didn't. This scumtell obviously no longer works when people know it's a scumtell. It's like the kenpachi method. Your meta, however, indicates that it might not be very reliable on you. Your other argument is something about how I voted for sinani, and first you thought that was a bad thing, but then he flipped scum and then it was a good thing, but then there are apparently two different scum teams and now it's a bad thing again. Hilarious. Page one on the book of mafia says that you can't determine my alignment through someone else's. I could be distancing myself, or I could be voting sinani because whatever the fuck, we were gonna get a scum lynch anyway! Yeah, I already responded to this + Show Spoiler [here] + On May 16 2012 20:49 Acrofales wrote: So... prp, I presume you're not on board with the plan to get you vig hit tonight. Who do you think should be hit with a vig shot? Your promise to be more active is neither here nor there unless you actually become more active. You have not provided reads on anybody except Sinani and Maju. The reason you don't seem like red scum is the combination of: + Show Spoiler [soft defense of maju] + On May 12 2012 05:06 prplhz wrote: Yea I go to dinner and then I come back 2 hours later and then there's 20 pages more. You people suck and I don't think any of you are actually trying anything. This maju wagon is moving at an unsettling speed without anybody opposing it really. The case on him is a bit flaky and I don't know what to think about Carolus Magnus because of this. It's still early in the game. Acrofales, if you don't know who to lynch then lynch into one of the countless people faking posting restrictions 'cause fuck them. with + Show Spoiler [into voting the other member of scum-t…] + On May 13 2012 04:11 prplhz wrote: Okay I really don't know about this Maju thing people are lazy all the time and there was like no resistance to his bandwagon. Since this is plurality it's a little easier to switch lynch and I would rather kill one of the really inactives such as sinani who did just about nothing. I also recall that he did something comparable to this vote of his in another game, I think it was NMMI. ##Vote sinani201 Honestly, I don't really know about everybody because this thread is already fucking huge but sinani is a decent bid for day1 scum. This just seemed like a very very retarded buss. It wasn't who you voted for that made you seem townie, it was how you did it. It seemed un-bus-like to me. That made you look un-saussage-like However, you could easily be schnitzel scum as you haven't actually contributed ANYTHING this game. Additionally, you were fishing for blue in your PM convo with Opz. Anything useful ever come out of your marriage? You think Opz is town or scum? I didn't switch away from sinani but I already told you why and there are plenty of reasons: with how sinani was playing I don't care if he was actually town, his own actions and what he should be judged by did not in any way indicate that he was town, to the contrary! I already said that his reason not to vote maju looked very much like how he acted as scum in NMMI and I already told you this but you're just not reading lol. In the recent WoF we also had a no lynch day1 (I know that no lynches aren't possible but I'll get to the point) and we should just have lynched the guy 'cause he caused a MAJOR distraction for town day2. Maju was looking like he actually wanted to put some effort into this game while sinani looked like he didn't so I stuck to sinani. Your case on me is that I didn't unvote 30 minutes before deadline? Well, if I had unvoted, your case on me would have been that I unvoted 30 minutes before deadline! It's fucking ludicrous. The problem was that the scummy part happened before then. Unvoting and following the plan was to not get shot and is not a tell either way. The fact that you were actually around enough to be reading the thread closely enough to KNOW you were getting shot is why your behaviour is scummy. Especially as you claimed to not have seen any of the plan posts, which were written in big bold letters. In fact, you explicitly quoted and ignored a post telling you what to do and why it was important + Show Spoiler [here] + On May 16 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote: why would i vote him? judging by his filter he is going to get modkilled soon opz is voting fucking stupid since nisani is looking pretty townie so i'm not sheeping him anyway hey guys, who do i vote today? I'll very likely have more time today so you can expect more of me. I want to believe you. I really do. I wish with all my heart you weren't scum. Unfortunately, you are a wiener schnitzel. I believe the punishment for that is death, but I must confer with the court first. Quicksilver7: I was totally onboard the town train with QS7. He made and pushed the Maju case in a really good and forceful manner. He did this at a time when there was no reason to start bussing scumbuddies. He could've picked any one of a 100 targets to coast by on an easy D1 as a red scum member. Instead pushing a buss on his own buddy seems really strange scum behaviour. Until, suddenly, blue scumteam appears. Suddenly making a case on someone who looks scummy, but is not in the own team sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, it sounds like a terrific idea if you're Ace. It is EXACTLY like an Ace meta to start shooting with sharp as scum and if you can actually shoot scum of the opposing team that is DOUBLE good. So.. what else does QS7 in his meta to show that he is town and not scum? Unfortunately, NOTHING. He has a load of trolly meme gifs and a case for killing Adam. PS. QS7 is either a smurf-on-loan, or he's not Palmar, but Ace. Check out XLIV for evidence. Jitsu: has done nothing, except prove that he is uninterested in reading the thread and happy to sheep votes on townies without even looking at what is going on (or did, and figured he could use the opportunity to fuck up the plan). Mattchew: we'll have a public check on him, so can wait. Bluelightz: I know that looking scummy as fuck while being useless is his town meta, but wtf. My case is quoted from D2. Just replace "third party" with "blue scum team" and you have a case for scum. + Show Spoiler [bluelightz case] + On May 15 2012 22:58 Acrofales wrote: Okay. I have read Bluelightz's filter carefully. I get the distinct feeling that he doesn't really give a shit who gets lynched. He has a mutual tunneling war going on with Mattchew, which is distracting from the content of the rest of his posts, which is really just a sort of "any way the wind blows" nonchalance. Bluelightz on Maju: While I previously read this as "Carolus is a hydra of two good players and I trust their reads more than my own, so I will sheep their vote", I am leaning more towards "who gives a shit. I wanted Mattchew, but Maju is fine too" now. Bluelightz on Adam: + Show Spoiler [is Adam scum?] + On May 12 2012 11:14 Bluelightz wrote: Guys, compare to this: Adam was atleast active, shared his reads, made up his own reasons to vote in Mr Wiggles Mini Mafia II (He was townie) day 1. Here, what does he do? lurk for around 36-48 hours, does not try to be helpful, keeps his reads secret, and just throws out "X is scum k?" without explaining ANYTHING. Adam is scum! On May 14 2012 19:37 Bluelightz wrote: Could I get Kurumi's role PM as I inherit his role? Suspicions and opinions: Adam4167: He is town, he's uber trolling this game, let him do his shit, ignore all of his posts. Mattchew: Still suspicious, He keeps on persisting on never responding to my case, not trying to bring up new stuff to discussion and when pressed insists if we put together his posts on a certain person we can conclude it into a case, but actually for example on Jitsu he only has two post's about it(thanks acro). Anymore opinions/suspicions just ask. Adam is town! In the meantime, Adam had said exactly one thing: Blabla I'm town blabla. On May 14 2012 20:59 Bluelightz wrote: Adam is being MrZentor in WoF, get it now? Would scum go this far? I get that hes stupid but i dont think would pull this stunt. Adam is still town. On May 14 2012 21:05 Bluelightz wrote: Fine, but im gonna wait for his next post (if he post's again -_-) to see about that, if he doesnt post well, I'm gonna hop on I guess. Bah, if you guys want to lynch Adam, I will go along with it. There is a distinct lack of security in his reads, or conviction in his play. It may be that he is just lost and has no decent reads (as in I'm a cop, you idiot). However, as Mattchew pointed out, his play in WoF mafia was much better. He was assertive, sometimes even cocky, in his reads and what he wanted to do in the game. This game, all he has done is tunnel Mattchew and sheep Carolus or general consensus vote. In another player this would be a pretty sure sign of not giving a fuck. That said, I don't think he's scum, because the D1 voting makes no fucking sense if he's scum (unless all scum is fucking retarded and was afk all day). However, if we want to lynch third party players, I think bluelightz is a good option. Forumite: yo Forumite, where are your reads? I have so far not seen a single contribution from you this game. Stop coasting and start playing. No time to make a proper case. Mr.Potatohead: active lurker. Gives some bullshit trap reason crap for being an active lurker. A Maju-Potato scumteam seemed unlikely, but a potato on a blue team? Yeah, I'll believe that. Why is The_Bard not on this list? Because I have just as much of a null read on him as on Quatol, but for some reason I'm leaning town, not scum on this null read. Everybody else? Congrats! For now I consider you to be the probable town team. Except S&B. I don't have a clue what to think of S&B. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
No, prplhz: I considered you town, because IF you were scum, THEN your playstyle didn't make sense. I like Ockham's razor, so I dislike convoluted explanations (like Mattchew seems to believe for bluelightz being scum). HOWEVER, with a second scumteam, your playstyle jibes perfectly with being on the other scumteam. The how of the vote suddenly makes sense from a scum point of view (it also still makes sense from a town point of view), but that's where the rest of your filter comes in. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Day3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6DnfR.jpg) …and another night of feasting and whoring, of conspiring and murdering. Over the laughter, the chattering of the common folks, the smell of the feasts, there lay something else, a distinct odour, not unlike the smell of blood, or that of burnt flesh, or that of treason. Only the most observant individuals would have noticed it. But in such a night, in which the beloved Empress Hassybaby pushed a newborn prince out of her belly, no one could resist the temptations of celebrating, and so, barrels of alcohol were consumed in that night. And so, no one noticed the happenings in this special night, light, and yet dark. Jitsu,the Frankfurter Viscout von Egir, was found all burnt in the oven of the royal bakery. Quatol, the Wiener-Schnitzel Viscount von Quish was pierced through his heart by a horseshoe. Mattchew, the Frankfurter Knight and Duke von Dume was given a Schwedentrank. QuickSilver7, the Wiener-Schnitzel Assassin and Viscount von Triloquist died after he was given an overdose of Spanish Fly powder. Atleast he died proudly upstanding. Furthermore, The_Bard was brought forward naked to the crowd and, stripped from his cloths, he confessed that he was the Count von Duku. It is now Day3, cast your votes. You have 47 hours time, till 07:00 KST. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
Town for the win! | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
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The_Bard
United States92 Posts
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate) There's a party goin' on right here A celebration to last throughout the years So bring your good times, and your laughter too We gonna celebrate your party with you | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Okay, for once I´m agreeing with bard. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
Also... we have two new possibilities: 1. Carolus is playing redonkulously badly as a schnitzel: he claimed QS7 was town when all he had done was trolled and he claimed Quatol was town when all he had done was trolled. 2. Carolus is town and had 2 serious misreads, which allow QS7 to get a quick frame in on him by QS7 saying "pass assassin to my scumbuddy Carolus" | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Lets bake a nice scum pie | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
On May 17 2012 08:11 Carolus Magnus wrote: For the record, QS7 wanted to push opz today I knew you two were married. PS. I haven't gotten a PM yet with roles to redistribute | ||
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