Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia XI

On April 26 2012 22:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hey guys!

This is my first game of maifa, but i have been following other games a bit. I also think that the "no lynch" option could prove useful early in the game to avoid misslynch. The other game i was following misslynched on the first day simply because they didn't have enough information.

On April 27 2012 10:33 yomi wrote:
vote## whysomuch
werewolves are gay

On April 27 2012 02:51 yomi wrote:


you are

for lynching on day 1 you need to be about 50% sure for it to be profitable in the long run. so we should probably do it, but you just have to wait and see. right now obviously I'm not 50% sure on anyone.

On April 27 2012 11:09 yomi wrote:
what are the correct percentages

On April 27 2012 11:19 yomi wrote:
day 1 lynch town
night 1 lose town
day 2 lynch mafia
night 2 lose town
day 3 lynch town
night 3 lose town
day 4 lynch mafia
night 4 lose town

and now we have 1 mafia vs 3 town players

day 5 lynch town, leaving 2 remaining
night 5 town dies
1v1 mafia wins GG


so by town wins 100% do you mean not 100%?
This is the most obvious example possible and only relies on town losing the first 50/50 flip and not hitting any major power roles to create a loss scenario.

On April 27 2012 17:06 O.Golden_ne wrote:
Whysomuch,

I am not shrouding the fact that I havent taken any stances in fact i have made it very clear. I fully plan on making my opinions even more clear when I come up with a case. I am just not jumping to any conclusion this early in the game, before I get my facts straight. I write long posts as I don't want to be misquoted from short one liners.

Also, do you feel that my posts have been contentless or have I been helpful in analyzing the current voting against you and the others?

Golden

On April 27 2012 18:02 Pure-SC2 wrote:
@WhySoMuch - we are townies on a spaceship with 3 mafia hiding amongst us. There are no villagers, there are no wolfs. Keep referencing these and I will assume you are insane and request for you to be thrown out the airlock.

You can quote multiple people in the same post by using copy and paste. Quote post, copy, then paste into another link. Not hard. Click the "all" button next to the page numbers to see all pages. Surely you aren't this blind and asked these inane questions to clutter up the thread for some reason?

On April 27 2012 18:38 Pure-SC2 wrote:


Why? Would miss-lynching a townie make you happy? What makes you think we don't get information from No Lynch winning the vote?

On April 27 2012 18:58 Pure-SC2 wrote:


The information we gain today (whether we push a lynch on a suspected scum, a lurker or a no lynch) all provides us information based on who votes for what, and the reasons why. It's not always clear on Day 1 what this information means, and the game cannot be won or lost on Day 1.

If there are no solid scum reads (with supporting cases), and no clear lurker lynch, then why push a lynch on a possible townie? Then we are one townie down and giving an advantage to the scum.

So I'd say regardless of what or who is voted for, we gain information.

So considering you are pushing for a lynch regardless, who is your strongest scum read? The_Zen_Man?

On April 27 2012 19:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:
First, i would like to say that the reason for the time it took for this respond is beacause school/sleep. Im currently still in school, but i found time to post this.

WhySoMuch: I understand that my first post would seem suspicous, but i think u misunderstood me. I simply don't want a lynch just for the sake of lynch. If we have information, or if we are sure we would gain some information by lynching then we should do it. But if we just lynch someone because we don't have anyone else, that would probably result in a townie dead. Early in the game that kind of information might not be available, that is why i said nolynch could be useful early. Also, i understand that u voted for me to pressure me to respond, but if you still choose to keep voting on me you should give me a better explination.

I can't post for a few hours, but when i get home i will post some more including my thouhts on some other people.

On April 27 2012 21:20 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Whysomych: In your 1st underline you write that i should know that we gain knowledge by lynching someone if i was a townie, which dosen't make sense to me. If i had or did not have that knowledge before would not really define wether im a townie or not, as anyone with experience in the game would know that. But your post before that makes sense now that i think about it. Who people vote for during the lynch, and how they act before is valuable information. Im very new to this game and i am sill figuring it out, so if i acted suspicous it is only because of that. Also, if i was scum i would push for a lynch rather that nolynch, as scum can easily go undetected in the early game and let us lynch a townie.

If u have further concern regarding me, please express them so that i can answer them.

On April 28 2012 02:14 yomi wrote:

It really isn't though. No one was talking about anything before. Now they are talking about someone. It's not instant majority or anything so no one was ever in danger of being lynched. Voting is a good thing, everyone should vote early and vote often. It makes it tougher for mafia if they can't just fit in and vote really late. Mafia prefer if everyone votes late so they can fit in with other late voters and just bandwagon on to whatever case is best for them.

On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
If i have seemed inactive, i will try to make up for it now. Below i will give my opinions on a few players.

WhySoMuch: I still find it strange that you were so aggresive towards me early in the game after i had only posted one post. I also find it strange that you barely mentioned Veriat who's first post was very similliar to mine. Said this before, but can you please explain you're actions here? Also, why didn't you aske yomi for further explination on his vote on you? Instead you voted on me and had some few posts where you conversed with yomi. This also seemed strange to me. Please explain.

On April 28 2012 18:29 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I'm getting an off read on WhySoMuch, I don't really understand it so just going to post my thoughts in case someone else can make something out of it.

So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it?

Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded.

He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical.

I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion.

On April 28 2012 18:52 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Yes, but on the other hand, that might be the point. Veriat might have written that so that people would stop suspecting him. But this is all theories. He was lurking for quite a while, and when people start suspecting him he suddenly shows up with some accusations. I find that very suspicious. For these reason, im going to vote for him.

##vote: Veriat

Also Veriat, as Pure-SC2 said, please tell me what about me is "fishy".

Whysomuch, could you give me a explanation to your vote?

On April 29 2012 04:00 Pure-SC2 wrote:
It does seem like an easy bandwagon forming on AcecAnoka which Lazer and Mordanis have jumped on without stating any reasoning other than lurking. So is this a lurker lynch then or do you think he's scum?

O.Golden_ne posted a good case against him which seems to have some merit, as has Splinter[eP].

That takes the count up to 4 on AcecAnoka I believe.

On April 28 2012 18:03 Veriat wrote:
Ok i know i have the lowest post count, but be mindfull that this is my first forum mafia game. And the reasoning behind my "only agreeing and disagreeing" posts, is because many of my thoughts have already been posted, so posting it again would just be repition, which most of the posts in the earlier pages pretty much were. And each time i go to check on the game, it has expand with a few pages, so there's been a lot of information to go through. So (watch out another agreement!) i would agree that i indeed do look very scummy atm.

But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish.

Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:

The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker


The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.

nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?

Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.

On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:
It's 5:38am where I am, i'm pulling an all nighter to correct my horrible sleeping patterns! Laddering hard to try to get to masters (ugh my ZvP is horrid). I'll be here for the lynch it seems. Though my comprehension at the moment is a little sub-par i'll try and function coherently!



Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little.

I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat.


a very sleepy Golden.

On April 29 2012 05:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:
WhySoMuch,

What's 'hella sketch' about my post exactly if you don't mind me asking?

I've already stated the reasoning behind my lynch vote for AcesAnoka, I personally find his activity to be alot more suspicious than the inactivity which is what is making Veriat a suspect.

"Your happy to see him lynched but you won't vote him?" is answered here "I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat."

I will vote for him if we need too, but answer me this. Is Veriats 'wolfy' posts more detrimental to the team than AcesAnoka's?

Everyone please pay note to the response to this:
@WhySoMuch What is your read on me? Is my steadfast view on AcesAnoka more 'hella sketch' than your own flip flop voting? 3 Votes in such a short period has me curious.

Golden

On April 29 2012 07:07 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@WhySoMuch.

You seem to be confusing reserved play as defensive play.

Since we have started i have maintained an outlook preferring to take in the whole picture and analyse play before making any judgment. I think my play is an asset to the town as it can be easy to slip into the habit of following the play in real time and perhaps missing key points. I classify this as a more reserved style than defensive.

To justify my position on a delayed vote switch to Veriat: since the beginning i have been pro-D1-lynch, it has been established that it is important in uncovering motives and gets the ball rolling in regards to seeing allegiances within the group. I did quite a bit of analysis on the players Nreekay324 and AcesAnoka finding them to be scummy, with my reserved playstyle i found that changing to a last minute change to Veriat was something i had to consider. I had to weigh up the benefits of the D1-lynch, and the groundwork that i had done on the previous two players.

Well we got a mafia with our first lynch, that's perfect! We all have some re-reading of Day 1 to do.

I welcome you coming after me WhySoMuch i have nothing to hide.

Golden

On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:

The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker


The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.

nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?

Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.

On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:

Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate.

I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat.

On April 29 2012 05:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:
I will vote for him if we need too, but answer me this. Is Veriats 'wolfy' posts more detrimental to the team than AcesAnoka's?

On April 30 2012 20:57 The_Zen_Man wrote:
First of all, lazermonkey, i want to say that i am not with you on the Nova part in your post. I don't trust him, he is always posting these weird post about people dying and stuff, could be a scum move (lol)

Secondly, i do share your opinion on WhySoMuch. I have been suspicious of him from the start, and his latest games has not helped him. Below i will make my case against him.




This is what WhySoMuch posted when he voted for me the first time. He says that he found my post very "Wolfy", but pays almost no attention to Veriat, with the explanation that i am not thinking deep enough. To show you how much "deeper" Veriat post was, here it is




My post before might not have been the deepest post, but this is not much better. I think that the "deeper" part was just an excuse to push away attention from his scum buddy and towards me.




This whole post just seems off to me.

Like you think this is what a townie would say

But a few things:

1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you.

2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them.

On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote:
Town:
Splinter
LazerMonkey
Mordanis

Mafia:
The_Zen_Man
Nreekay

On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:

The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker


The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.

nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?

Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.

On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote:


It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained.

I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget.

I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100.



I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before.

I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf.

##vote: Veriat

On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote:


Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote.

The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia

nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion.

However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone.

On May 01 2012 07:42 Pure-SC2 wrote:
WhySoMuch - you don't speak for the town. So far at least 3 people have found your actions suspicious, so if you really are town you need to start thinking a bit more about how you're playing and what you're actually doing to help the town.

On May 01 2012 07:50 Mordanis wrote:
... Then the mafia would only have to lurk, and the active posters would kill themselves off while the scum kill off another one each night. Just two iterations of this, and its down to 4 town and 2 mafia. To be clear, I'm not going to say that we should automatically lynch whoever posts the least, but if we have to decide between lynching a lurker or someone who contributes, I'll go with the lurker. If the person we lynch is mafia, we did well either way. But if we mislynch, I'd much rather lose a townie who contributes little than a townie who contributes a lot.

Also, Hi Marvellosity! gl catching up with everything, hope you post some new insight!

On May 01 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote:

The second person I am most interested in is WhySoMuch. There were a couple of things that stood out at me just browsing the thread:

1) lots of vote changes. Doesn't have to be alignment indicative, but it stood out
2) The only quote from someone I actually have written down - "Town reads are more important than mafia reads". Interesting - I thought we were here to lynch scum. He expressed the same opinion AGAIN, and then listed his own town reads. Unless I am mistaken, this also happened at night. Sounds like it could be town-read fishing -> mafia kills. Lists of town reads, especially at night, are bad, mmkay? Like I said, they only give mafia targets. If you have people you think are pretty likely town - good!! You don't need to tell all of us. Do you really think that saying "blabla seems extremely townie" is going to convince anyone that person is town if they didn't think so already?
3) He called out golden very quickly saying that if Veriat was scum, golden was scum. Say whaaaaaaaat? So someone casts the deciding vote to lynch a scum and they're scum? I mean, it's possible, sure, but that's an incredible leap to make. It does point out that Whysomuch is extremely aware that scum could be bussing scum to try to gain towncred. Related to this is that he points out himself that he looks good for voting Veriat. So he looks awesomely townie for lynching the scum and golden, the guy who actually got the scum lynched, looks scummy. k.

Anyway, reading the filters is an even bigger task than reading the thread, but I will work on it diligently. There's some food for thought in the meanwhile.

On May 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:


To the bold - what is this nonsense? People don't become unlynchable for turning up on lists, that's absurd. People are unlynchable when they're dead. If a couple of people have someone down as a town-read and I think he's scum, is that going to stop me making a case on them? No, of course it isn't. You don't find mafia because people turn up on lists. You find mafia because they are scummy, simple as that.
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So in the scenario where scum decides to bus Veriat, is it not more likely that they do so in the midst of the voting rather than at the end? golden wasn't 'forced' to vote for anyone, he voted who he wanted to. He could have made a non-vote earlier on in the day on someone like aces (me) or whoever was suspicious at the time.

You seem to have a preconceived notion of how people 'should' play - well, people don't necessarily play like that. You're inventing narratives that to you sound likely, but they are not necessarily true, or even the likeliest narrative.

On May 01 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
No, no-one wants to vote for them because they believe they are townie, not because they are on a stupid list. Jesus christ. Yes, it helps you to find mafia if you have town reads. But that's an individual thing. To make other people see your point of view if they don't, you'd have to make a "town case" which is getting ludicrous.

I also did not say it made golden looked good, I said your assertion that he was scum (your words were something like "If veriat is scum, i believe golden is scum") which I totally dissected in my last post.

As it appears I will fail in my bid to make you see common sense, I shall stop this back and forth with you.

On May 01 2012 11:01 marvellosity wrote:
I'll spell it out for you by giving you the marvellosity challenge:

Find ONE, yes only ONE, good player on this forum who lists town-reads (at night no less) and encourages others to do the same.

Pro-tip: you won't find one.

On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote:


4. WhySoMuch

Can you explain Jailbreakers connections to other players in the group in a list? thx

On April 29 2012 05:30 Splinter[eP] wrote:
Okay, just quickly scanned over the thread posts. I will vote for Veriat instead to secure a lynch; while my analysis and other's of Aces makes sense I myself now see that the reasoning for Veriat is also quite concrete and some people are more sold on him than Aces. I think Veriat has tripped over himself more than Aces has as well, so thus:

##Unvote AcesAnoka

##Vote Veriat

I hope that he turns up red, but if not that means we've at least eliminated bad town play instead of someone more useful to the conversation.

On May 02 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote:
Bad logic is that 8 townies is better than 6? ok.

On May 02 2012 03:19 marvellosity wrote:
I already explained, but in the absence of getting it through your skull I pointed out that good players simply don't do it.

I know plenty of good players, I read this forum like a whore.

On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:

The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker


The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.

nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?

Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.

On May 02 2012 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
an example in this thread WSM is Veriat's scumreads. "by posting these scumreads they'll think these guys are town when i flip. but they'll know that's what i think, so they'll think they're scum. But they also know i could think that, so they could be town" etc.

On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay so here we go!

I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that:



So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum.

Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1.

While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler +

This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat.

Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%.

The other people in the circel:
Golden: Still leaining town here.
WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ).

I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others!

On April 29 2012 15:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wow, such a nice day-1 kill! I wasn't at home last night but I followed the drama from my phone : P

On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay so here we go!

I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that:

Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324

*Snip*

Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1.

*Snip*

I have you as my highest scumreads atm.

What limits do you want? I'm 63% sure that you are scum atm?



*Snip*


Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose!4

*snip*

Because while his play was confusing in the start, I strongly felt his motives didn't match the ones of scum. And if he were townie, which I still think although I'm not as certain as I was one day ago, I think he should step up his posting alot.

On May 04 2012 02:39 nreekay324 wrote:
Read through the thread since last night, and it’s nice to see we're all alive. This evens out the modkill of Splinter (numerically).

@whysomuch- First, I was just wondering what faking angel is? Is that like, faking that we were medic-protected over the night?

On May 04 2012 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
WSM: please give me a link to your case.

I had a look at your filter and I see a mish-mash of general accusations without anything substantial, but I may have missed it somehow.

On May 04 2012 02:55 marvellosity wrote:

Ok, let me get this straight. You are convinced Lazer is mafia because he went to bed (read: he did not say asleep) and caught up on the thread on his phone and because he criticised Zen's play but doesn't have a mafia read on him (which he explained subsequently).

Yet you think Golden is mafia, you agree with everything I said in my case, yet Lazer is still the best target? I don't get it.

I don't believe Lazer is town necessarily, I just don't think the burden of evidence on him is higher than that of Golden.

Why do you think Lazer is more likely given you have thought of Golden as scum + you agree with my case?

On May 04 2012 03:03 nreekay324 wrote:


Okay, angel=medic, I get what you were saying now. But, isn't that kinda detrimental to the town if the angel/medic does that? I mean the best we gain is a confirmed townie through the clues. But if the mafia reads up on these clues, then they have an easy target (the medic).
Also, if we, as a town, try to help cover it up by throwing out decoy clues, then doesn't that just muddy up everything and give the mafia a chance to throw out decoy clues that could be really misleading to us?
Anyway, this could be arbitrary as there could be a veteran that took the hit.

On May 04 2012 09:58 SexDoll wrote:
I see there are a bunch of claimable roles

whysomuch, has anyone claimed or anything?

are there any specific rules you think I might not know that I should?

On May 04 2012 18:38 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I feel like we're being messed with here. Sexdoll signs up to the forum Tuesday, his first ever post is offering himself up as a replacement in this game.

Then we get this whole charade? WhySoMuch "knows" Sexdoll from some other site, they have this nice little byplay - oh he's actually younguns there lol lol, heyya babe, and of course Sexdoll knows him and he is likely a villager based on his experience with him.

Isn't that sweet, the internet suddenly seems like such a small happy place, where two people who played something similar on another site manage to not only end up in the same game on this site, but have all this experience playing together.

I think it's one of two things.
1). They are the same person and totally fucking with us. This was my first impression based on Sexdolls posts.
2). They are friends who are communicating out of band and acting like they aren't.

I don't like it at all.

Marv, I'm going to spend the next bit going over your case on Golden. It read good the first time but there were a few things I wanted to look at closer. Don't you think it's weird that WhySoMuch has dropped his number 1 scum read on Golden? His reason initially was that he didn't think anyone would support it, so now you've made a good case, why the hell isn't he even pushing it?

On May 04 2012 23:40 SexDoll wrote:
I want to talk about something specific in marv's case that was brushed aside when he made his case, but is actually super important. When he said, my scum leads are Aces, x and Veriat, then he says he's fine with lynching veriat, Marv says taht this is super scummy, which doesn't make any sense. Scum in that scenario say stuff like, "Veriat is fine but I prefer Aces." They don't volunteer their bros to get lynched like that.

On 2p2 we call it bussing when one scum pushes another so that's what I'll call it here. The way that went down is NOT how scum bus each other. It makes no sense. There are 2 approaches that make sense in s/s interactions like that. 1 he would agree that veriat is probably a wolf but try to get aces lynched over him and 2 he would push him in a way that would be clearing for HIM. Golden got 0 credit for the veriat lynch because he deserved 0 credit for it. It makes no sense for him to have pushed Veriat like that if they were s/s.

On May 05 2012 01:19 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Yep, skirted around pointing that out

nreekay seems to be on board, so lets hear from The_Zen_Man, Lazermonkey and Mordanis

And we know WhySoMuch will be on board because of:

...And many other references to his belief that Golden is scum.

On May 05 2012 03:35 SexDoll wrote:
yoyoyoyoyo WSM

thoughts on enrique

whysomuch is so annoying I love how he said I posted "kind of towny". I'm the first one to vote veriat. mafia picked up on it. bunch of donks. looking forward to not noob game big time.