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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 02:06 GMT
#1312
+ Show Spoiler [D1] +
On May 05 2012 06:44 Kurumi wrote:
Day 1 FINAL tally

Katina -2
DoYouHas
SlOosh

Nova_Terra 4
Mementoss
Kenpachi
slOosh
Bill Murray
Blazinghand

Mementoss 2
Eiii
Nova_Terra

Katina: 0
Blazinghand
grush57

grush57: 2
Sinensis
PaqMan
froggynoddy

Sinensis: 1
ghost_403

BillMurray 10
PaqMan
layabout
johnnywup
grush57
marvellosity
SomethingAwesome
papapanda
Palmar

layabout 2
BlackRaven
blubbdavid



l10f might not be in here, he will be saved because he pmed me 9he has finals)
Day 1 ends at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), ~15 minutes from this post


NOTE: I edit posts instead of posting new ones usually.

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SK.Testie



+ Show Spoiler [D2] +
On May 08 2012 05:34 Kurumi wrote:
Vote count day 2

ghost_403: 0
l10f
Blazinghand

layabout: 3
Blazinghand
blubbdavid
Eiii
papapanda

Nova_Terra: 5
PaqMan
Blazinghand
Mementoss
Marvellosity
Kenpachi
Sinensis

Kenpachi: 2
Nova_Terra
froggynoddy
(PaqMan)

Eiii: 1
l10f

PaqMan: 0
Kenpachi

blubbdavid: 7
DoYouHas
SomethingAwesome
layabout
froggynoddy
johnnywup
grush57
ghost_403




+ Show Spoiler [D3] +
On May 11 2012 05:19 Kurumi wrote:
Day 3 vote count

Nova_Terra: 3
[blue]Blazinghand
marvellosity
[blue]Mementoss

layabout: 5
PaqMan
Eiii
Sinensis
grush57
papapanda

papapanda: 1
Nova_Terra

grush57: 3
froggynoddy
layabout
l10f



A little under 1 hour to go!
Barundar is sexy and cute




Made for reference^
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 02:09 GMT
#1313
On May 12 2012 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 09:28 PaqMan wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info.


Isn't that a no no?....


Uh huh, he only posts no-nos, can we just lynch him?


I am still reading over him
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#1314
ebwop: I have no idea why everyone in D2 is blue.

+ Show Spoiler [D2] +
On May 08 2012 05:34 Kurumi wrote:
Vote count day 2

ghost_403: 0
l10f
Blazinghand

layabout: 3
Blazinghand
blubbdavid
Eiii
papapanda

Nova_Terra: 5
PaqMan
Blazinghand
Mementoss
Marvellosity
Kenpachi
Sinensis

Kenpachi: 2
Nova_Terra
froggynoddy
(PaqMan)

Eiii: 1
l10f

PaqMan: 0
Kenpachi

blubbdavid: 7
DoYouHas
SomethingAwesome
layabout
froggynoddy
johnnywup
grush57
ghost_403


t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#1317
I have read through Day 1. It's much easier to read now that we know who's blue. I am liking a NT lynch and for now I will be putting my vote onto him.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 06:07 GMT
#1319
I don't think the vote counts help us that much, seeing that 3/5 scum were modkilled and only one of them voted. We should stick to classy scumhunting rather than using the votelist as incriminating evidence.

I just put it up there for easy reference if I ever need to use it. Save trouble from digging through the vote thread.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 19:52 GMT
#1330
Where are you marvellosity?
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 12 2012 20:22 GMT
#1331
On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote:
but i would prefer to lynch grush or papa over marv


NT what happened about lynching grush or papa?
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 13 2012 02:18 GMT
#1339
Hot damn that's nice. My FoS on Eiii stands, I really want him to contribute more of his thoughts on NT and I10f. But I feel confident in lynching NT.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 13 2012 16:55 GMT
#1351
^is it possible that grush is purposely playing like a bad townie?
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#1387
While you're here Eiii:

On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:18 PaqMan wrote:
Hot damn that's nice. My FoS on Eiii stands, I really want him to contribute more of his thoughts on NT and I10f. But I feel confident in lynching NT.


man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum.
Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over

are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there.

obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo.

My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT.


You think he's scum because he thinks your scum?...
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 02:31 GMT
#1388
Marv out of everyone left who do you think is the scummiest?
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#1390
I'm sorry for my shitty play the past few days. This was a very hectic weekend for me but I'm picking it back up now.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 03:02 GMT
#1392
Ooooh, I think I've caught onto something interesting
be back in a little bit!
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 04:26 GMT
#1393
Someone needs to be properly brought to attention, and so I present Sinensis.

+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.

He then gives us this:

On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
.
..
...
Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra

Uhhh, WTF?!?!?!

Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this.

Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.


What I needed to say is already stated in the spoiler, so on to the next ones!


+ Show Spoiler [layabout case] +
On May 05 2012 14:14 Sinensis wrote:
My suspicious is off grush for now because of D1.

I want to talk now about layabout and why I think he's suspicious.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad.

On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum

Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out)

On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...

katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen.

On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party.


Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia.

On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...


You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum.

##unvote
##vote: Katina


come at me bro


Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA.

Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing.

On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:
On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.

I assume we still have 24h+ for voting?


Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too).

Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet.
Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D)

For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry.

I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?)
Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done.



I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable!

BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.

I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy.

Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote.

Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop.

If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what



On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray!


Both of which of from the very beginning of the game



You spend a lot of time defending Katina, you also say the only way she is suspicious is "the way in which she puts attention on BM." You defend her again here:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence.

I do not think we should lynch katina.

Do other people think that this is BS?
On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.

(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)

##Vote Layabout


//Dirk


You also ask what other people think of SomethingAwesome's "BS." I think SomethingAwesome might have been onto something honestly. The first thing you said in the entire game was that you were AGAINST policy lynches and that "they are no better this game than they ever were before"

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies.

We are going to be polite in this game.

We are going to vote at appropriate times.

We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable.

And we are going to destroy red.


You then completely disregard your own advice not to policy lynch (below) and vote Bill Murry, who Katina was supposedly suspicious for bringing attention to. Also, if you're not even going to follow the advice you posted not to policy lynch... what was the point in posting that in the first place other than to look like you were contributing when you really weren't?

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:
BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.

I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM.


So you think killing SomethingAwesome could be a good move, presumably because you think he's scum. But instead of building a case around SomethingAwesome, you decide to vote BM based on meta.

Show nested quote +
since we still have no real candidate
##vote Bill Murray
reasons:
anti-town when town
anti-town when scum
lurks a lot
when he is active he is disruptive


Who are you to decide if there "is no real candidate?" There were plenty of people with plenty of reads at the time. You even repeat this:

Show nested quote +
We have nobody that looks like scum.

This is the best way to use the lynch.


Then you repeat it again:

Show nested quote +
Look how few votes the candidate have

Look how weak the cases are

Look how easily the 5 player scumteam could swing the vote

See how unlikely we are to hit mafia

Lynch a player that will be anti town either way.
Vote BillMurray


Last thing, there is no such thing as an anti-town town member. If someone is town, just by being alive they are helping town. Killing an "anti-town" town member is still killing a town member. Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic.



+ Show Spoiler [papapanda case] +
On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote:
Sorry about that layabout.

I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at.

First I will look at papapanda:

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you.

At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious.

On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.

And when you vote, please use the proper thread.


It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone.
Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available.

Me is hardcore BLU!


Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 11:12 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 10:17 SomethingAwesome wrote:
^^
-mattchew


Now are you newb or scum?


He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 11:21 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

>_< My fault. As you can see, I am newb.


Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:39 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:

##vote: grush57

I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people.


You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand!

I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight.


After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything?

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire
, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.

I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).

In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).


I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.


Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too.




Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:01 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote:
We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6.


Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else?
This question is for everyone voting BM


You're against it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:05 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute.


They would also have to post here to not get modkilled.
You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation.

Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc).
Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games.


Against it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:08 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

If BM haven't posted, we can assume he hasn't been on the thread.
Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second...
If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now.


Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:09 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:
I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all.

This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong!


I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games.
What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways.


But wait, what now?

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
You're right, I'm wrong again><
Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_-


Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch?

Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina.


I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM.

On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.



Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity.
1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough.
2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy.
3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me.

I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue.

Basically: FoS on marvellosity


HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.


##vote grush57


*Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense*

On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote:
The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not.


A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush.

Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game?
The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant.


So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!"


What do these two "cases" have in common?

#1 Sinensis makes no conclusion in either one of them whatsoever.

#2 They are Post-By-Post cases. In other words they take up a lot of space and make it look like he is contributing. I really dislike these kind of cases because they're easy for scum to look like they're contributing.

#3 All he is doing is narrating each of those posts while making no conclusions of his own. Read #2.

#4 These are Sinensis' ONLY significant posts this whole game.


On May 12 2012 06:01 Sinensis wrote:
I have stuff to say about l10f but I have to go to work right now. Be back in about 6-7 hours. I'm probably going to be voting for l10f if mafia doesn't kill me for wanting to kill l10f.


Please note the bold.
Also; he has yet to say "stuff" about I10f.

On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote:
I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind.


note bold.

On May 13 2012 22:52 Sinensis wrote:
I am voting for N_T because of his garbage filter and because he wants to lynch for information. Papapanda just said he wants to lynch for information and agreed with N_T, the guy I want to lynch, that lynching for information makes sense.


note bold

This goes to show how wishy-washy he's starting to act. This obviously isn't my strongest point but it still needs to be put out there and addressed.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&user=45996
Sinensis' filter.

Throughout that entire filter, the majority of his posts consist of asking questions.
He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them.
His PbP "cases" are long, narrative, and weak. They're filled with useless comments and one-liners that simply narrate the posts and make the case appear lengthy. They make it look like he's contributing. He doesn't make any conclusions.
He isn't actively hunting scum.

He's a definite FoS and when Day comes we seriously need to look into him.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 04:29 GMT
#1394
We also need to start pressuring Froggynoddy more. I haven't looked into him yet and I'm going to bed now but he's definitely someone to look into.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 22:46 GMT
#1405
On May 15 2012 03:16 Sinensis wrote:
@PaqMan:

1. I voted both N_T and layabout when it was time for their lynch. Flipping a coin between the two was my way of deciding which to try and lynch FIRST.

2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that bother were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads?

3. You accuse me of narrating. It helps me to narrate from a person's perspective to gain insights on what I would do in their situation, to check and see if they have similar motivations as me.

Someone who says: "We should lynch someone in order to gain information on who to lynch next."

DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVATIONS AS ME. (referring to N_T and papapanda)


#1 So you basically randomly picked one of them to lynch, instead of the one you felt was scummier at that time?

#2 a)
After rereading your case on layabout, the most conclusive thing you came up with is this: + Show Spoiler +
Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic.


In the papapanda case the strongest conclusion was: + Show Spoiler +
I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!"

So I guess I did miss the "multitude of times".

#2 b) Did you even read my post? Please oh please point out where I was scolding you for posting reads!
I said "He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them.." I was pointing out that you DO NOT ACTIVELY PUSH YOUR SCUMREADS.

#3 I do accuse of being a narrator. Your "helps me gain insight" excuse is complete bull. Read:+ Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote:
Sorry about that layabout.

I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at.

First I will look at papapanda:

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you.

At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious.

On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.

And when you vote, please use the proper thread.


It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone.
Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available.

Me is hardcore BLU!


Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 11:12 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 10:17 SomethingAwesome wrote:
^^
-mattchew


Now are you newb or scum?


He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 11:21 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

>_< My fault. As you can see, I am newb.


Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:39 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:

##vote: grush57

I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people.


You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand!

I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight.


After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything?

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire
, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.

I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).

In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).


I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.


Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too.




Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:01 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote:
We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6.


Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else?
This question is for everyone voting BM


You're against it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:05 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute.


They would also have to post here to not get modkilled.
You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation.

Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc).
Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games.


Against it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:08 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

If BM haven't posted, we can assume he hasn't been on the thread.
Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second...
If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now.


Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:09 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:
I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all.

This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong!


I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games.
What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways.


But wait, what now?

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
You're right, I'm wrong again><
Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_-


Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch?

Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina.


I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM.

On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.



Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity.
1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough.
2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy.
3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me.

I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue.

Basically: FoS on marvellosity


HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again:

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.


##vote grush57


*Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense*

On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote:
The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not.


A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush.

Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game?
The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant.


So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!"


Notice all those little useless one-liner comments? I don't even need to bold them all. You're not, "narrating from a person's perspective," you're just summarizing each individual post.

Also I believe you've misinterpreted his quotes on that last part.
He was pointing out that BM, being a veteran, is obviously a good potention scumhunter if he decides to play protown.
He then goes on to say that a more experienced player who rolled scum is less likely to act like a bad townie/make noob mistakes.




On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Also, papapanda, don't you EVER accuse me of making my posts intentionally long winded after I spend 20+ on each lengthy one trying to shorten it with millions of spoiler tags.

Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


20+ minutes? Millions of spoiler tags? I call bs. The only thing you did was spoiler each quote.
And now you are threatening town by refusing to make cases? That's real town play there.

My point still stands. Your two most significant posts this entire game have next-to-no content in them.

You ignored this part of my FoS:
+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.


You ignored the part of my FoS where I point out your wishy-washyness.

You have also yet to post your "stuff" on I10f.

TL;DR I'm down with lynching Sinensis and I suggest you go back and read why.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 22:46 GMT
#1406
On May 15 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Didn't even get posts from him tonight :/

Paqman, where are you?


Just got home and had to write up my response! checking out your case now
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 14 2012 23:04 GMT
#1407
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 15 2012 00:40 GMT
#1411
On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote:
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.


After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you?


Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I10f.
His two content-less PbP cases in which he hardly makes a conclusion. He doesn't push his scumreads. He contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's just recently become wishy-washy now that his two consistent reads (layabout and NT) are dead. And his most-recent declaration: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute.


basically, all the reasons listed in my FoS and response to his defense.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 15 2012 00:44 GMT
#1412
Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=70#1393

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=71#1405
and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him?
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