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On April 23 2012 23:56 SamuelLJackson wrote:
"Just because I'm attacking your argument for him being town doesn't mean that I think that he's scum. I am suspicious of him, but for other reasons."
Reasons other than him possibly being scum? And you want to lynch him for those reasons?
How about you stop telling me what you are not saying and actually tell me wtf you ARE saying.
"being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum.
I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all.
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I'm not a mason, don't know about Forumite though.
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Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them.
90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!)
Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today.
@phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that.
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@marvellosity Why are you acting all indignant? What makes you think that town is just apathetically and inevitably going to lynch you?
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On April 24 2012 05:56 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. WTF where I have been buddying you? So because I did not realize that you made the same terrible move that he did I'm suddenly buddying you? If you think everyone is your friend who is ignoring you then you have strange concept of buddies.
In your posts.
Yea, kinda.
I don't even understand that last sentence.
You seem to be overreacting a bit here.
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@Sbrubbles Yea, I don't really know who's scum and I was feeling frustrated with it all. The case seemed kind of alright and it still does.
On April 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:55 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity Why are you acting all indignant? What makes you think that town is just apathetically and inevitably going to lynch you? Where was the indignation? I'm just looking at the flow of the game and the votes objectively. I've not been terribly productive because I've not found anything to be terribly productive about. I've been transparent that I've had null scum reads. I've asked on separate occasions what the cases were on VE and on Radfield to try to get a handle on anything, but I wasn't responded to. I voted for Snarfs because s&b's case seemed coherent, and like I said Snarfs' defence seemed to be meta and he wasn't backed up on it. I admitted my Day 1s were bad, because clearly my Day 1s are bad. This is just the way things are the way I see it at the moment.
How are they clearly bad? Do you often find yourself in this situation?
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lol MrZentor
If you are town, you admittedly did dumb shit to attract attention and now you're all crazy about the fact that it got you some. If you are scum then we're quite right. You're in no way innocent, people are just being narrow minded about this. They all think you're innocent because you voted yourself and that's really a flaky reasonable.
Now, will you tell me why you decided to be all piss and vinegar in the beginning of this game? Because I'm really interested in that.
The lynch is in 45 minute and you are not likely to accomplish any of what you just wrote about.
Also, Ace is about to get modkilled for not voting.
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MrZentor .....
TELL ME WHY THE HELL YOU DECIDED THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO BE ALL AGGRESSIVE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS GAME RIGHT NOW
everybody agrees that your case was weak and i think it looks really fake, full of dumb contradictions and grasping in the thin air, tell me why you decided to be all pissed off and make bad cases instead of playing your usual game?
I'm also going to vote marvellosity just to get a lynch. I prefer lynches to no lynches and I don't think that marvellosity is clear townie at all.
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Yea, I've exhausted my patience with your bullshit.
##Unvote
##Vote MrZentor
Here's a post I wrote earlier today on why I think your case was forced.
Alright
##Vote MrZentor
On April 22 2012 10:42 MrZentor wrote:*sigh* I'm going to have to make a really long post. 1Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys I predict that Ace will come in here and advocate a random lynch based on sports results because day1 is always a crap shoot anyway. I'm going to disagree with that sentiment.
SamuelLJackson needs to sign their posts and you need to show that you're actually two people playing for town. You're likely going to be the strongest town player and I expect that to show in your play and I'm gonna complain about any weird stuff from you because, no. His first post is just him taking a jab at Ace and stating the obvious that should be done without saying. 2You and Prphlz waste a bunch more space over that discussion of the hydra signing its posts; this shouldn't happen. 3Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:42 prplhz wrote:
Yes, that was an attempt at being humorous. Unless your role is being the axis around which the wheel of fortune spins but that's not in the player list.
I'll leave you guys to discuss the second part 'cause it's likely the best we have in the thread right now (other than you jumping on it when it's obviously absolutely nothing).
Where is VisceraEyes? We're like 30 minutes into the game already. All this post does is lay suspicion on VE. 4Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:03 prplhz wrote:just4lulz.png ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UUod2.png) All Glory To The Hydra Toad Wasting time doing stupid stuff.. 5Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:12 prplhz wrote:On April 22 2012 08:00 MrZentor wrote:Aww, I was going to say that they needed to sign their posts.  I would like some people such as VE and BL to get in here, as this thread is so dull. ##Vote MrZentor Yea, why are you voting for yourself? What can VisceraEyes and Bluelightz do about the thread being dull that the rest of us (including you) can't? I just made a picture, how's that dull? You seem rather upset that you didn't get to make a hollow contribution with the hydra-sign thing. What gives? The only useful question is the last one. 6Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:25 prplhz wrote:
Why are you only answering 1 in 4 questions? Are you planning on doing this consistently throughout the entire game? Since you don't think there's anything else for you to talk about, you might as well amuse me with your answers. He then attacks me for answering the only question that wasn't ridiculously irrelevant. 7Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:32 prplhz wrote:MrZentor! You are being very nonconstructive here, you could easily answer that second question a lot better, instead you focus on how the other questions apparently aren't up to your standards. Calling me scum out of the blue doesn't help anyone either. There, no stupid questions, just facts.
@strongandbig: I asked them to sign their posts because it would be good for town, I'm sure you agree. This was discussed for the first 5 posts in the game when it's traditionally hard to find stuff to talk about. Then I moved on and encouraged other people to do the same. He accuses me of not being constructive after wasting a ton of space on why the hydra should sign its posts! 8He's also saying that "I just made a picture, how's that dull?" isn't a stupid question. 9
He seems like the type of scum that spends all of its time on answering obvious questions and asking useless ones; it's the type that appears pro town if you skim, but if you read carefully, it's all useless fluff. 10I'm not certain he is scum yet, but I am amazed at how scummy somebody can seem within the first four hours of the game.
1: This is actually the most important part, he seems very reluctant and bothered with having to explain his scum read. With the fervor he's been showing so far it looks like that was actually mostly for show and he doesn't want to push me at all.
2: This is misrepresentation, I'm not taking a jab at Ace at all, I'm predicting something and then I'm arguing with it. It was the first post of the game, isn't this a pretty good way to start out? Then he complains that hydra signing "should be done without saying", while he's saying in this post that he actually wanted to say that! So when I say it then it's fluff, but when he says it then it's alright?
3: This seems so incredibly forced, why is he complaining about some clarifying discussion in the first 5 posts of a game? Is he even complaining about me, because I actually didn't start the discussion, Forumite did.
4: I actually didn't mean anything by it but lets run with the "I was trying to lay suspicion on VisceraEyes" idea. So what if I were even trying that? He did just about the same thing himself when he called out for VisceraEyes and Bluelightz presence.
5: It seems like you're trying to remember how the hell you find scum and then you just default to a crappy PBP analysis. So what if I posted a dumb picture?
6: You yourself admitted that your self-vote was just to get responses (and specifically from me), and now a question where I'm responding to it is dumb? How is it dumb to ask you how two players that you want to show up will make the thread better, shouldn't we all strive to make the thread better? You are desperately grasping for whatever the fuck here.
7: So what? How does this make me scum? You are just describing stuff here, while enforcing the notion that I am only doing stupid stuff.
8: This is so hilarious considering that you yourself posted that you wanted to talk about that! You know who started the whole hydra discussion? Forumite did that! Why are you attacking me for discussing random stuff during the first five posts of a game? Jesus christ you're grasping here.
9: So what?
10: This seems so very much like he's just decided that I'm scum and then he says I'm the kind of scum who does something he thinks I'm doing in the thread. There's nothing here to show that I'm scum, he's just saying I'm the kind of scum who does what he says I'm doing. Like he had the conclusion (I'm scum) before the "argument" (I'm asking and answering questions).
11: You're amazed but you don't think to question it?
I know that a bunch of you would say "he's attracting too much attention to be scum" and ordinarily that would be a valid point, but I think that it looks like he's faking the aggressiveness and the attention hogging is just a by product that he didn't care much about.
Last time MrZentor was scum was in Death Factory Mafia 2 where he was caught by this analysis and it's only logical that he would try not to fall into that same behavior again.
I'd like to hear MrZentor explain what the hell got into him the first two pages of this game.
@Ace What do you think?
As of now MrZentor blatantly ignores my question about why he decided to be all piss and vinegar in the beginning of this game. It seems forced as I think townies would either just answer the question or attack me for tunneling or whatever. I have no idea why anyone would just ignore me.
Note to self: Next game you start out by self voting and saying that you're town for auto-confirmation.
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Well, see you guys in 71 hours.
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I was late because I had forgotten that I even had it and I didn't know if I wanted to lynch MrZentor. I decided on that I wanted to lynch him about 30 minutes before deadline and then I copy/pasted the case but then I noticed that I hadn't originally saved points 5-11 and I had to rewrite those. So the analysis was a little late but meh.
Medic/Jailer on Radfield tonight.
Vigilante/SK on MrZentor.
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The original had links to different stuff that MrZentor said in points 5-11 (like points 1-4) but I dropped those for the rewrite 'cause I had to hurry.
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@Bluelightz, Radfield
Can you give me some more input on MrZentor please. I still think that he is the scummiest in this thread. I know that you guys think that it's not mafia like to draw attention to themselves with an overly aggressive style like that, but I'm arguing that it looks forced and fake (and it's not townie style either!).
With the amount of ad hominem jabs he's taken at me and Forumite he's either scum or an asshole and from the communication I just had with him in Space Station, he seemed like a really cool guy. He's just ignoring me now which makes absolutely no sense to me, I imagine that a townie would either try to explain stuff to me (since I'm actively trying to understand) or he would call me scum but he does neither and it seems really fake. I'm really angry with myself for not just pushing his lynch harder yesterday and getting it over with, he's going to be such an annoying factor in this game for me from now on no matter what his alignment is.
What do you think about the no-lynch? Isn't it weird that town didn't just scramble for "information lynch" or whatever? I see it as a huge mistake that we didn't just lynch MrZentor yesterday. I should just have pushed his lynch harder.
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Hey Forumite, could you please ask MrZentor why he decided to be an asshole this game? I'm quite interested and he's blatantly ignoring me.
I'm pushing MrZentor tomorrow by the way. I think that Radfield is town and I respect his opinions but I also think that day1 reads are his biggest (only?) weakness.
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Maybe I would focus less on MrZentor if he gave a shit about proving his innocence to me by answering my very specific questions, but he's blatantly not doing that and I don't think I can think of a single reason a town player would do that. Scum players would do it because they haven't a fucking clue. Guy has no reads and all of his posting has been shitting on me and Forumite, I have no idea how you can think that that is "strongly town aligned". Being an asshole for a reason is townie, being an asshole for no reason is contrived, fake, and scummy.
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Enjoy getting lynched tomorrow.
I like how you know you're not getting hit tonight, most people who think are "obviously innocent" are afraid of getting shot.
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On April 25 2012 07:00 MrZentor wrote:
If I'm being as disruptive as you say I am, Prphlz, why would I fear the mafia?
Because you're not thinking from my POV, duh. You said yourself that you're "obviously innocent" so you think you're obviously innocent and people who think they're obviously innocent are mostly afraid of getting hit. Additionally, you obviously think you're going somewhere with this "new style" you're allegedly trying out or else you would change it or at least explain it, so that's another reason a guy like you would be afraid.
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