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On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote: Justice will prevail. One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum. That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place. He's right, no lynch = really bad. | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:36 ForTheDr3am wrote: How are exactly are we to understand the fact that according to you, he has "shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie" but "no distinct signs of being mafia? It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting" | ||
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On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote: (P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all. Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read. It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly. | ||
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On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote: -Zealous + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote: I think it's not a useful thing to discuss early on and leads to little scumhunting and a poor town atmosphere. | ||
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My post was about the fact people have called me suspicious for no proper reason. It's just players looking to jump on the first person that doesn't fit in with their idea of a "Proper player" So no, my post wasn't "Directed" at you (except for the obvious spelling blunder) Instead, it was at all the people calling me suspicious with no backup at all. And on 3. I make my point, and have nothing more to say. It's just a fact, no lynches are not good, discussing policy any further is pointless. | ||
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A Game of Thrones Mafia - Double Voter Mafia VIII (I think was the name) - Mafia Goon. | ||
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Add to this the fact that we're at day 1 so there is not much to go on. I don't think I have been particually desruptive myself, instead, the reactions from other players and me have cause this thread to become filled with useless discussion. We as a town have to focus on scummy play, not just me being a bit silly at the start of the game. I posted my thoughts as soon as the popped into my head, and I will admit that it has caused a little bit of disruption. So I'm going to be posting more useful thoughts from now on. Starting with this: ##Vote: MajuGarzett He startes by pointlessly discussing policy Should we lynch lurkers? think we probably should. (Note, he can't even make his mind up 100% about this.Then he stresses the fact he is new: Though as I haven't played before it may well lead to a poor town atmosphere as you suggested. This is something mafia do to try to hide their scummy play.Then he makes this attack on yomi that makes very little sense to me Yomi seems suspicious to me. He says he isn't sure about lynching someone then votes when no one else has. That makes it more likely someone will be lynched. Also, he gave no reasons as to why I should be lynched. This makes me think he's a mafia who just wants to get some townie lynched. Then, as a responce to an accusation, he attacks the very fact that someone accused him, as opposed to arguing the point Initially claiming you may not want to lynch anybody, then launching seemingly unfounded accusations, then pressuring everyone else to follow you blindly seems pretty scummy to me. This is one of the most Scummy first day's I've seen in my 3 games so far. So, he is my first choice, with Yomi at 2 (I understand I defended yomi in my accusation of Maju, however, I only said Maju's argument was flawed, no the conclusion. | ||
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I would say, don't post too many big reads until right before the night deadline, so as not to influence the scum hit. That's what I will be doing. | ||
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Before you all decide for certain that I'm mafia, bear in mind the only arguement used against me thus far have just been "He was aggresive at the start" There are players that are lurking more than me, and ones that have been less useless, not to mention voting for the wrong person ^^. I'll be writing my case soon. | ||
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1. I was unhelpful at the start, but this was due to me being far too ego-centric thinking I knew all the right things to do having played 3 games, which is clearly not the case ^^ 2. As for me posting some decent cases, that's what I intend to do now. List: Townies ArcticFox - Posted the most useful stuff by far, and has made lots of reads. There is no reason a mafia player would be that audacious. ForTheDr3am - Similar reasons. Is very keen to call people out, and posts without a hidden agenda as far as I can see. Scum imallision - Has posted VERY little, apart from a list thread, which just seems like a subtle way of pushing lynches away from him and/or his scumbuddies. I actually don't know why he's alive at all, he's posted near nothing at all. Maju - Still: He barely ever posts real thoughts, just a lot of urms and ers: I just meant he might be mafia or he might be a detective or medic or something. Yomi seems suspicious to me I guess oneplus is a candidate for mafia as well. Should we lynch lurkers? think we probably should I am less suspicious of Zealos now as if he was mafia he would have probably had voted yomi to ensure the lynch. (His one solid read on me lasted all of a day)insectoceanx - Unsure. St. Daniel/ Gossemerr - Completely unsure Seems very keen to post under the guise of content without actually being all too sure of anything. I want to hear his choice for lynch right now rather than who might be suspicious maybe. I am also somewhat suspicious of Draco - Mainly due to the number of people bringing him up, and that his counter - arguements seem pretty average at best. I don't think I would lynch him tonight, but I definatly would point him as a ##FOS: Draco | ||
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You're scum before you use @'s in your posts. I am doing it right? | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:09 Stossel wrote: 2) Zealos - many one-liners, with posts like "He's right, no lynch = really bad.". Not contributing overly much. His reason for being suspicious of draco was "Mainly due to the number of people bringing him up", which smacks of bandwagoning in my mind. He's been active lately and looking to contribute though so I give imallinson my top scumread. I really feel like this is beating a dead horse at this point. Yeah, I was super annoying at the start, granted, and have admitted it being a case of my ego getting too big, but if people wanna keep accusing me they're gonna need something new. | ||
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##ViteL imallinson @Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. | ||
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I want to help and contribute, but there's only so much you can analyse till new info emerges. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:19 ArcticFox wrote: You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. 1. You have no content, and your 2. tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, 3. plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, 4. it said nothing new, and 5. you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and 6. bristling every time someone mentions you're scum. How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player? 1. I have more content than a few people at least, so that shouldn't put me too high up top. 2. Me being human. 3. RL comes before Mafia, sorry. 4. When you say nothing new, you just mean I agree with some people. I said before, in a game as short of this, it's absurd to think I won't end up agreeing with people on some points. 5. I've wanted to focus on clearing my own name first. 6. I fail to see how this is a scum trait at all. It seems pretty irrelevant. Scum don't want people to think they are scum, but neither do town players. It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision) So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:25 ArcticFox wrote: EBWOP -- Let's approach this another way. You're up for am imallinson lynch. Who's your #2? You've made 2 half-cases on Maju and have an FoS on Draco, but I don't know who you'd rather see hang. Is it one of them or is it someone else? And why? haha, ninja'd | ||
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On April 27 2012 21:19 insectoceanx wrote: I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you? Wow, just noticed this, wtf? o.O Yeah, I meant vote, and not really, but I think we gotta lynch him due to the pure lack of posing. Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar. | ||
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I just think it's a much better scum hunting environment when people are all posting actively, rather than watching the townie's squabble. | ||
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(Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive) | ||
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Whatever I posted gets scrutinised to the point where it makes me mafia. It genuinely feels like whatever I post is another way to think I am scum. I understand the mindset of pressuring an opponent till he cracks and makes a scumslip, but atm I am 95% sure you are town, so I can't pressure you to make you slip, so all I can try to do is convince you (And the rest of town) that I am on your side. The scumteam can just sit there laughing at us, ready to kill the most useful posters during the night. So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use? | ||
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2. Humans are not all equal. Look at my GoT mafia game. I was blue, and was just as *Volatile* 4. I don't have a great deal more to add. I've written about Draco/Stossel, which has new stuff to add to it. 5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC) | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:38 ArcticFox wrote: Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Fair enough, I should have focussed on that more. I'll bear that in mind. However, I think my scumlist for now is pretty clear. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.[/QUOTE] Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets. Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again. [QUOTE]On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote: Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out. [/QUOTE] This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:52 ArcticFox wrote: What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together. Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets. Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again. On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote: Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out. This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing. | ||
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We've essentially just wasted an entire day. Please say someone has the Triple Dayvig role? | ||
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On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote: @Zealos You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now? @Townspeople We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia. | ||
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Thank you mods <3 | ||
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On May 01 2012 07:53 insectoceanx wrote: I'm sorry I may have said that wrong before. What I meant is that the people who did not vote are probably not mafia. It would seem really unfair if the mods let them get by with lynching people at nignt and not posting anything or voting all day. Therefore by active I meant anyone who has posted anything. I was not meaning to point the finger at the most active of the players. It's perfectly possible that there was one of them around in the night or something. I agree that your logic makes sense, but its not flawless. I think a lynch of insect seems pretty sound at this point. | ||
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##Vote: insectoceanx | ||
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I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. | ||
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