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On April 16 2012 06:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: /in It's been a while! looking forwards to another game together. + Show Spoiler + -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 17 2012 09:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: Yeah I just messed up the newbie game by getting myself lynched, hoping I get better results in this game. Given that it's one of a small number of Town wins in recent memory, I'd say don't even worry about it. We learn via our mistakes. This is why my ex-gf told me "you never learn" when we broke up-- I never make mistakes. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 19 2012 12:21 St.Daniel wrote: I never played, however I read all of the rules and played real life mafia many many times. Also I followed couple of TL mafia games. Can I play? /in Let me recommend you read these two guides. I read them before getting started and they helped me immeasurably: LSB's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180405 Incog's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 21 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I could just as easily be that town-vig Toad, are you high? Then I could exact my revenge on the hydraScum! MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA Here is my response: No other context will be necessary. This image stands for itself. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 21 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Mattchew Scum were going to win sir. WE WERE GOING TO WIN!!! No case? ;_; | ||
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I think all the Vigilante' should shoot Layabout. He's mafia ezpz. | ||
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Maybe this is best expressed in terms of an audio-visual medium for you' + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5kSNwYUx5o Q: oh shit BlazingJitsu that was the raddest shit I've ever seen in my life A: yeah thanks xsplit can be a bitch but I got it up Q:" so why did you do that ifrst instead of reading the thread ;_; cmon dude yit was worth like the 10 minutes. I'm reading the thread now ok Q: so would the shortening for BlazingJitsu be BJ? A: Well yeah. Alphabetical order and all that! Just refer to me as BJ unless you're addressing one head specifically. All our posts will be signed by the writer. Q: ISn't that kind dirty' A: dude it's a coincicdence shut up [b]Q: ok so is the video a metphaor or something[b/] A I'm just reading the thread now and wanted to post something. But yeah feel free to address me, BJ, if you have any questions while I catch up. I will only respond to questions addressed to "BJ" or "BH", but as USUAL I PREFER BJS SO PLEASE CALL ME BJ kekekekkeke seriously though if you gots a question just ask. I'm reading atm hehe bj | ||
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On April 21 2012 09:08 BlazingJitsu wrote: Pssh, I disregard anything that guy says. My lesser head is a jerk. ~Jitsu AT LEAST I'M NHOT HITTING MYSELF LIKE A MORON + Show Spoiler [HITSU IS HITTING HIMSELF] + STOP HITTING YOURSELF JITSU?? WHY ARE YOU HITTING YOURSELF!! STOP HITTING YOURSELF Also, ok you guys know krillin from DBZ right? (also from dragon ball) well I got a question for you Why isn't krillin killing everything?+ Show Spoiler + we know for sure that his destructo-disk can cut ANYTHING. It can't be blocked. you see it cut through mountains, planets, etc. Now, it isn't the fastest attack-- in fact it uses most of his energy and is fairly slow. Typically what happens is Krillin is getting his ass kicked by some bad guy then he's like "ok i'm using destructo disk" and the bad guy is generall some Muscle (not the head honcho) and is like "pshaw I can c atch whatever you throw" and krillin is like "ok catch this" and then the bad guy is getting all ready to BLOCK the unblockable attack-- cause it's a secret attack and he doesn't know it'll kill him. But then the boss is like "NO DONT BLOCK IT, DODGE IT!" and then he dodges it and it cuts through a mountain behind him or something and they're like "oh shot Krillin isn't useless" except he IS because he just used his one attack, and he's out of energy and it wouldn't work a second time anyways. Now, this all seems pretty reasonable but there are a few problems that immediately become apparent with even the slightest application of critical thought. ONE: how is Krillin the only guy who ever uses this ability? it's not like it's something only he should be capable of doing right? Like he's just a regular human. Goku should learn it or something. Or maybe it's something secret or only unique to Krillin right? But this segways into TWO: Seriously, how is Krillin the only guy who uses destructodisks? Clearly bad guys are like "oh we shoudl dodge this instead of blocking it" so they've SEEN it before. It's the only attack that CANT be blocked. Even Goku's episodes-long-charging spirit bomb can be blocked, but NOT THE DESTRUCTODISK. Like, how can you recognize this attack if you haven't seen it before? "Oh but Blazinghandl clearly it moves too slow, they just dodge it, etc" NO YOU'RE SO WRONG look ok so Krillin's other thing he does a lot is "Solar Flare" right? Basically when shit goes bad (As it always does for Krillin cause he's a weakling) he uses this Solar Flare, and it briefly stuns his opponent (for like 20ish seconds) and Krillin uses this opportunity to escape. He teaches it to his bros Goku and Gohan (who apparently can learn this even though they can't learn destructodisk). bUT THE MAIN POINT is that he has this ability. But, if you think about it, an ability that uses no spirit energy stuns your opponent for a moderate amoutn of time is the most advantageous technique you could possibly know if you use Destructodisk. Whenever Krillin stuns the main victim to get away, he should just fucking cut the guy in half with a destructodisk while the guy spends like 30 seconds clutching his eyeballs. Literally every person in DBZ except Piccolo (and Cell who has Piccolo's regenerative ability) could be defeated in like 10 seconds by Krillin in this fashion. In fact, almost every person in DBZ gets solar-flared by him (or hell, a friend of his when he's nearby) at some point! Krillin could be the strongest guy! But no, NO that would make WAY TOO MUCH SENSE -BlAzinghand, the manly head | ||
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On April 21 2012 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: And for the record, that's a REAL scumslip guys. He said "our plan", because he's just the messenger and he came up with it with someone else. My guess? MidnightGladius due to the fervor of his defense of the plan. But that's speculation we can save for after gonzaw's flip. In the meantime, VOTES ON GONZAW!!! FOR THE TOWN!!! Voting based on "scumslips" is dumb. I've seen enough townies "scumslip" in my day to say that it takes more than this to make a vote. Or are you gonna start bringing up terrorist tactics to strongarm people onto your wagon? Regarding vigis: On April 21 2012 13:23 PaqMan wrote: Trying to control them and tell them where to aim is going to be chaos. This sentence is bad and I am an objectively worse person for having to have read it. When N1 starts I will publish a brief list of people I think vigis should shoot at, and they will be wise to pay attention to it. Trying not to utilize our blue roles in the most useful possible fashion is bad. Don't be bad. -Blazinghand | ||
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By what inconceivable depravity of judgement do you think we'll have issues with GF flips if we don't have some sort of mass vigi roleclaim? Vigis should just shoot scum, and if their shot is blocked, it was probably a GF, and then they think of themselves as a one-shot DT-- push the guy in the thread. EZ. -Blazinghand | ||
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what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. On April 21 2012 10:04 marvellosity wrote: What? The vigilante-godfather-miller-weirdthing is the only strange mechanic in the game. Before things get properly rolling is absolutely the right time to talk about its implications. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? On April 21 2012 10:29 marvellosity wrote: Right, so scum could claim their shot was blocked on some random townie and WIFOM it up. Gotcha. So, are there in fact any GOOD circumstances to make a vig shot? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand | ||
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Bros. BROS. he's been in this thread for like an hour and 30 minutes and all he does is contribute WORTHLESS DRIVEL? Even the mildest of useful contributions seems to escape Marv's all-pervasive utter unhelpfulness. Just look at the posts he makes for an hour and a half period and think to yourself "would anyone, as a town player, be this unhelpful?" is that even literaly possible? no. Marv is scum and he will hang like scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. I hate lurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless You... you don't really "get" what lurking is, right? You are aware that Marvel isn't ACTUALLY here, right? See there's a difference between making a post like this: On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice And a post like this: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand And the difference is, the posts Marvellosity makes aren't posts. They're squawks. There's no meaning to any of them. Marv isn't "Here". He isn't "Contributing". He's trying pretty hard to LOOK like it without actually doing SHIT. Read his actual filter dude. It's like 4 posts, all of which are 0-content and ask dumb questions or questions that somehow hurt town. Marv deserves everything I've given him and more. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 02:44 layabout wrote: Risen why are you telling us to kill all of the lurkers when we are about 17 or so hours into the game, and when you yourself have only just started to post? cause he's trying to bail out his scumbuddy -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: @Jitsu: Hey Jitsu-part-of-the-hydra, would you mind posting your thoughts on the game so far? The lesser head is currently absorbed in the wonderful world of D3 open beta. Do you have a more specific question than that? -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 06:10 Zephirdd wrote: I still can't be sure who I should vote. I see marvellosity is leading the votecount, can someone provide me a link to a case of his, or even a page where I can find it? I know it's silly to ask for that, but I am really busy atm and as much as I can condense what is happening, the easier it will be to catch up. I promise I'll do better day2 onwards No problem bro doosk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270 + Show Spoiler [My Case on Marv] + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 06:54 slOosh wrote: I'm meh on BH's case on marvelosity. I don't like the timing, and marv has responded in a way that I wouldn't consider him a good D1 lynch. Marv HAS stepped up his game since I made that post, but really it was so craptacular that the only way it could go is up. That's a fair point you make though. My question for you is: What do you mean when you say you don't like the timing? | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:06 gonzaw wrote: @Blazing: I guess that the "timing" thing he mentions is the same one I'm accusing Mattchew and Risen of: There is a lot of shit going on in the thread, but instead of commenting on it, or posting thoughts about it you ignore all of it and go FoS someone completely irrelevant to the current discussion, and then you continue to ignore it. For instance, you don't mention VE, nor Paqman at all and those were "cases" and discussions that happened before you made your marv case. So yeah, now that I notice that it does seem suspicious of you too. Speaking of which, please tell me what you think of VE, Paqman and Mattchew, and tell me why you ignored all 3 of them until now. The entire discussion about mass role claims, and your stupid mass roleclaim in particular, is retarded. Everything that percipitated from it is retarded. My notes for mattchew currently are: "suggests a policy lynch of BM. Pushes paqman semi-shittily" My current notes for Paqman are: "worthless" Clearly you didn't read my filter, because I haven't ignored VE. Go read it. My current notes for VE is: "worthless townie", building off of stuff I've already said briefly about VE. See everyone seems to think VE is somehow useful as a town player, when in actuality he's utterly totally and inexhaustibly bad (see SOAF mafia In any case, Marv was hiding in plain sight so i called him out. Also I didn't FoS anyone. I fucking voted that motherfucker with the intention of burying him. And... seriously dude. just read my filter before you quesiton me about it. Your pressuring skills are pretty bad. | ||
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However, if all that can be said for your monstrosities of posts is that they are "legible", well, you're not in a good place. -Blazinghand. | ||
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1) ST and 4F both deserved to die in that game and you know it 2) I'm writing up an augmented case on Marv in light of his most recent posts. 3) Your questions are inane, much like yourself, and so I feel no need to respond to them at this time. -Blazinghand PS I'm gonna work on making sure I'm logged into the right account ROFL | ||
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His first post on return: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 04:02 marvellosity wrote: Woa, I go away and I rack up the votes. I'm up in my great nation's capital city right now celebrating a close friend's birthday, and yes I am sitting here on my laptop while other people are sitting around chatting and drinking, so I've missed all the excitement. That said, my one-liners didn't come across overly helpful. I've just read through the last 7 pages of this thread I've missed and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the vigi business. My one-liners were one-liners because I haven't had time to grasp the issue at hand yet. Anyway, I'm going to play around in notepad with this vig business so I can actually take a stance and get back to you in the next few hours. Meaningless. Worthless excuses. All excuses are always worthless. His so-called contributing post: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: Alright, my thoughts before dinner. From reading a few filters, it seems that a couple of people have arrived at the same conclusion as I am about to - whatever merits gonzaw's plan has, it's kinda pointless if it isn't gonna be agreed on by everyone, and by this stage it's clear it's not going to be. I am glad of all the conversation that's been had on the matter, because it means going forwards people will be able to critically analyse flips and night kills, so if nothing else that's a positive to marker. One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. To MidnightGladius (and VE because he will understand due to being involved with me in Newbie VI) and others - regarding my 'meta'. Have a look at my Space Station Mafia filter - also full of one-liners and not a lot useful, where I was townie. This is a product of not really knowing or understanding what was going on. In Newbie VI, my play in the first half was somewhat directionless and scummy, to the point where both dead blues had strong suspicions of me, as did the last remaining townie in lylo. Only in the second half of the game where I had plenty of material to work with (I like filters) did I manage to find the scum and make a convincing case. In Mafia LI, I replaced in for the start of Day 2 - there was already a lot of material to work with. Rounding off quickly, Matt's case on Paqman - it doesn't seem to have much merit. Reading through the case, I asked myself 'could Paqman have posted all this as town?' - and my answer was yes, it was all perfectly feasibly townie. I should mostly be available to read questions for most of the evening, so if people would like to quiz me, go ahead. I would quite like not to be lynched before I've even got started. So... this post. This actually doesn't look so bad at first but let's take a quick look at the part where he pushes a scumread, or points out some scummy play, or pressures anyone, or does anything other than summarize things other people have already said and defend himself: NOTHING That's right, This post is several paragraphs of cunning worthlessness. You probably read it and were like "hey, Looks like Marv isn't actually scum after all" but that's cause YOU GOT FOOLED. this guy is hussling us. This post doesn't DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE TOWN IN EVEN THE MOST REMOTE FASHION. And it does so on purpose. "how is this possible, BlazingJitsu??" here let me explain for you: + Show Spoiler + Oh wait here let me be more specific: PARAGRAPH ONE On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: Worthless summarizing. He pats us on the back though for talking! But really, worthless, patronizing summarizing.Alright, my thoughts before dinner. From reading a few filters, it seems that a couple of people have arrived at the same conclusion as I am about to - whatever merits gonzaw's plan has, it's kinda pointless if it isn't gonna be agreed on by everyone, and by this stage it's clear it's not going to be. I am glad of all the conversation that's been had on the matter, because it means going forwards people will be able to critically analyse flips and night kills, so if nothing else that's a positive to marker. PARAGRAPH TWO On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: He states VE is like vaguely scummy but then says he's actually not, and neither is gonzaw. OH HEY THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHIGN. THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHINGOne thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. PARAGRAPH THREE YOU PUNK ASS MOTHER BONERIZERS On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: This paragraph also says nothing. He is arguing about his own meta.To MidnightGladius (and VE because he will understand due to being involved with me in Newbie VI) and others - regarding my 'meta'. Have a look at my Space Station Mafia filter - also full of one-liners and not a lot useful, where I was townie. This is a product of not really knowing or understanding what was going on. In Newbie VI, my play in the first half was somewhat directionless and scummy, to the point where both dead blues had strong suspicions of me, as did the last remaining townie in lylo. Only in the second half of the game where I had plenty of material to work with (I like filters) did I manage to find the scum and make a convincing case. In Mafia LI, I replaced in for the start of Day 2 - there was already a lot of material to work with. PARAGRAPH FOUR On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: Rounding off quickly, Matt's case on Paqman - it doesn't seem to have much merit. Reading through the case, I asked myself 'could Paqman have posted all this as town?' - and my answer was yes, it was all perfectly feasibly townie. I should mostly be available to read questions for most of the evening, so if people would like to quiz me, go ahead. I would quite like not to be lynched before I've even got started. THIS PARAGRAPH ALSO SAYS NOTHING. well, he says he might be around this evening or whatever. Marv, despite making two posts, one of which was decent sized, has actually NOT contributed since my original case against him. It just looks like he's contributing if you read his post quickly without thinking. This thing he's done? It's literally what scum would do. Marv is more certainly scum than he has ever been. In my mind, Marv is the scummiest scum scum scum in this game, and it's blantantly obvious to anyone who gives his filter and his recent "contributions" even a cursory analysis. ##STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY ##STILL STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY -Blazinghand | ||
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why thank you "can I see the original case against Marv also? I mean, I'm gonna be voting him anyways since he's definitely scum, since I took lik 5 minutes to read his filter and realize he's scum, but I want to see the original case too" oh, that's no problem. Here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270 + Show Spoiler [The Original Case] + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand "omg you mak me so hot i want to have ur babies" um no ty -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:17 marvellosity wrote: BH - fucking lynch me and see me flip town and look like a complete moron. Want me to do your paragraph by paragraph analysis from my (town) point of view that you're missing? IF it means you'll finally post a goddamn case and help out the town, then yes, DO A PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH ANALYSIS. DO ANY ANALYSIS. DO ANYTHING AT ALL USEFUL. ANYTHING. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: I'm strung up because short of time I make a couple of one-liners. I've since explained TWICE what I think about various parts of the game (including paragraphy analsyis of your shitty case). oh yes you could not have possible made up that story as scum -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:43 marvellosity wrote: BH: here's an idea: look at my posts, and make a narrative from a scum perspective. Are my one-liners confusing? Are they leading the town astray? am I promoting confusion? Since I've tried to post tonight, have I not been transparent? Where is my fucking scum play that isn't "posted a little pointlessly and now I'm tunneling him to fuck"? You've literally done nothing helpful. This is another scummy post from you. You're still not helping. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote: @marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Here I've got a good marv impression for you Marv: "wahh I'm gonna be mad, curse at BH, and not help the town!" -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Yet you fail to answer any of my questions. Why don't you look at the filter list and ask what about 6 of the non-posters have done? I've cast my opinion on matt's case - I think it isn't right, and I've provided the reasons. I've also cast my opinion that VE's objection to gonzaw's claim was REALLY BAD, and he never backed it up. Please, go ahead and tell me I've done less than a bunch of other lurkers in the game. Things this post isn't: a case, a scumread, or a push. Things this post is: totally annoying whining. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote: @johnny why so defensive? chill out bro. BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much. Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter. useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:06 PaqMan wrote: Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad. Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy. Are you just not very bright or what -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:05 gonzaw wrote: BH you too Read sloosh's case against VE, read my case against VE and tell me to my face whether you think he's scum (and may support his lynch today) or not; and post reasoning for thinking either of them. If marv doesn't get lynched today, who would you lynch BH? I would lynch Marv. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:10 PaqMan wrote: The basis of your argument can be applied to Ghost as well - useless, unhelpful, noncontributing, no real content, etc. Make a case, then. Call him out. Vote him and make him respond. The case against Marv is against a guy who's post more words than Ghost, more paragraphs, all full to the brim with emptiness. Help a brotha out -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:12 PaqMan wrote: No, I just hate how you use caps and pictures so much. You're annoying. I'd rather be annoying than dull. Cause, well, that's you. Dull. not bright. slow. I can only assume you're intentionally NOT getting the basis of my case. The crux of the case against Marv isn't that his POST COUNT is low. It's that he's posted a lot and it's ALL WORTHLESS. ALL WORTHLESS. And there's fair amoutn of posting, too! And it's all dressed up to look like it MIGHT be useful, YET HERE WE ARE. Marv still hasn't done anything useful. -Blazinghand | ||
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Another priceless gem from the mind of Marv! And by that I mean "wow, Marv still not useful eh" -Blazinghand | ||
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Marv needs to die. So I don't know why the dicks you guys are suddenly sitting on marv's cock. I'm gonna break it down for you real quick why Marv is scum and needs to die. First off, literally everything he posted before my last pont was shitty dick scum posting (mixed in with some crybaby whining about how I called him out about his shitty dick scum posting). I pushed (and am pushing) him aggressively, and he decries this as some sort of unreasonable inhuman play. I will not apologize for what I am, though-- because what I am is RIGHT. In any case, here are his 4 posts he's made, including his first real case. On April 22 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: Alright. Two things: I find VE's faux objection to gonzaw's case really scummy. It was never backed up by any convincing analysis and it was brushed over by "I don't like the plan" Second: BH's tunnelling of me makes me despair. This is Day 1. I would really really really love to have super strong scummy cases to make on someone, but I don't. At the moment, I think sloosh's case on VE is as strong as it gets, and echos my own sentiments on how the game has played out. There have been many more lurkers, but the only inconsistency I have found has been VE's nonsense. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Oh shit, Marv finally did something. Let's take a look at the core components of his justification for his vote here. Remember that this is before VE's ass-retarded roleclaim (which I'll get to in a moment), so Marv has to rely on other reasoning to explain his vote. His reasoning is... VE's objection to gonzaw's case is scummy. That's his entire reasoning. Well, that and "I don't have any other scumreads". So, when we break it down here, what is Marv really saying? He's saying "I don't have any good scumreads, but VE did something vaguely weird, so I'm gonna vote him. Please don't call me out for my shitty dick case that has no real analysis, or the fact that I still haven't posted any real analysis." In fact, here, I'll quote you what he previously said about VE, the stuff that he's referencing in his case here: + Show Spoiler [Marv's supporting case elements] + On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. On April 22 2012 08:17 marvellosity wrote: Paragraph 2: I found VE's objection and lack of continuing through bad. Do I find it somewhat scummy? Yes. Do I have an entire case to present on the matter? No. Well, shit. It kinda looks like Marv doesn't actually think VE is scum. He says that that most of VE's filter is fine, and he says VE's particular statement is "somewhat" scummy, and he doesn't have an entire case. And that's correct-- he doesn't have an entire case. These sparse few sentences are the only things he ever says on VE leading up to his vote. Remember, this is before VE's retardclaim. So, in summary, when Marv voted VE, he gave no reasons that a town Marv would find acceptable, and basically was just trying to shrug off the suspicion and pressure that was on him by appearing to take a stance. The only reasonable explanation for Marv voting VE with the case he presented is that Marv is scum trying to look less scummy. A town player would, you know, actually have a reason for his vote. This vote is probably even scummier than every post Marv made before, and that's really saying something. It really is. Now, the rest of Marv's posts after his case on VE actually aren't so bad. They're not really good or useful, but contextualized in Marv's travesty of a posting history, they're not so bad. + Show Spoiler [Marv's other posts] + On April 22 2012 09:54 marvellosity wrote: Ok, sadly I have to go to bed and not argue like fuck against my lynch. Some thoughts 1) there is currently no opposition to my lynch. If I'm scum, apparently scum are happy for me to die 2) there is VE's inconsistent attack on gonzaw's case with absolutely no further explanation. So, my vote on VE 3) I'm usually very active. So I had a bloody social life for a day and I'm being crucified for one-liners which I've expanded upon 4) BH is tunnelling me like fuck. I can't even believe he's scum because it's just ridiculous 5) There are a bunch of inactive players who are being given an easy ride when apparently i'm easy to lynch. Why? To those who aren't BH - I had little time, and since I've done my best to explain my feelings on what I've seen. Please, if you're going to lynch me, at least demonstrate my scummy motives. This is basically just Marv whining about the fact that there are 5 votes on him and making statements that he could as easily make as scum as town. Interestingly, though he makes the point that there is "no opposition" to his lynch, (when in fact he has only 5 votes) counter wagons on BM and VE are already in the process of forming. On April 22 2012 19:37 marvellosity wrote: I don't really understand the Claim either. The thread consensus had already arrived at the fact that we weren't going to mass claim vigis. Why then the need to claim Jailkeeper? Just on the offchance that if scum weren't going to shoot him tonight, they definitely will now? Completely mistimed claim, as he didn't have to 'stop' a massclaim plan at this point. Bad bad bad This... this post actually makes some goddamn sense. I guess it's the exception that proves the rule. Marv isn't really being helpful here, but if he had actually made a case on VE, this would be a good supporting piece of evidence. On April 23 2012 00:14 marvellosity wrote: Claiming when you did just makes no sense though. It was quite clear gonzaw's plan was not going to be implemented, so the claim was completely unnecessary. You said "scumhunting wins games". Yes, but having blue roles that could prevent Mafia KP is also pretty useful, and discounting that is not sensible. You've also managed to throw suspicion on a lot of people without making a compelling case either way. Meaningless post, but he's interacting with VE, the target of his vote. Overall, these posts don't particular indicate to me that Marv is town, but they don't indicate he's scum either. He's gotten a little better at hiding his uselessness. So, If you read over this case, plus: My first case on Marv: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270 + Show Spoiler [My first case on Marv] + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand My second case on Marv: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=19#377 + Show Spoiler [My second case on Marv] + On April 22 2012 08:09 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marv is definitely scum. even moreso now that he's posted more scummy scum scum scummitude His first post on return: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 04:02 marvellosity wrote: Woa, I go away and I rack up the votes. I'm up in my great nation's capital city right now celebrating a close friend's birthday, and yes I am sitting here on my laptop while other people are sitting around chatting and drinking, so I've missed all the excitement. That said, my one-liners didn't come across overly helpful. I've just read through the last 7 pages of this thread I've missed and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the vigi business. My one-liners were one-liners because I haven't had time to grasp the issue at hand yet. Anyway, I'm going to play around in notepad with this vig business so I can actually take a stance and get back to you in the next few hours. Meaningless. Worthless excuses. All excuses are always worthless. His so-called contributing post: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote: Alright, my thoughts before dinner. From reading a few filters, it seems that a couple of people have arrived at the same conclusion as I am about to - whatever merits gonzaw's plan has, it's kinda pointless if it isn't gonna be agreed on by everyone, and by this stage it's clear it's not going to be. I am glad of all the conversation that's been had on the matter, because it means going forwards people will be able to critically analyse flips and night kills, so if nothing else that's a positive to marker. One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. To MidnightGladius (and VE because he will understand due to being involved with me in Newbie VI) and others - regarding my 'meta'. Have a look at my Space Station Mafia filter - also full of one-liners and not a lot useful, where I was townie. This is a product of not really knowing or understanding what was going on. In Newbie VI, my play in the first half was somewhat directionless and scummy, to the point where both dead blues had strong suspicions of me, as did the last remaining townie in lylo. Only in the second half of the game where I had plenty of material to work with (I like filters) did I manage to find the scum and make a convincing case. In Mafia LI, I replaced in for the start of Day 2 - there was already a lot of material to work with. Rounding off quickly, Matt's case on Paqman - it doesn't seem to have much merit. Reading through the case, I asked myself 'could Paqman have posted all this as town?' - and my answer was yes, it was all perfectly feasibly townie. I should mostly be available to read questions for most of the evening, so if people would like to quiz me, go ahead. I would quite like not to be lynched before I've even got started. So... this post. This actually doesn't look so bad at first but let's take a quick look at the part where he pushes a scumread, or points out some scummy play, or pressures anyone, or does anything other than summarize things other people have already said and defend himself: NOTHING That's right, This post is several paragraphs of cunning worthlessness. You probably read it and were like "hey, Looks like Marv isn't actually scum after all" but that's cause YOU GOT FOOLED. this guy is hussling us. This post doesn't DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE TOWN IN EVEN THE MOST REMOTE FASHION. And it does so on purpose. "how is this possible, BlazingJitsu??" here let me explain for you: + Show Spoiler + Oh wait here let me be more specific: PARAGRAPH ONE Worthless summarizing. He pats us on the back though for talking! But really, worthless, patronizing summarizing. PARAGRAPH TWO He states VE is like vaguely scummy but then says he's actually not, and neither is gonzaw. OH HEY THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHIGN. THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHING PARAGRAPH THREE YOU PUNK ASS MOTHER BONERIZERS This paragraph also says nothing. He is arguing about his own meta. PARAGRAPH FOUR THIS PARAGRAPH ALSO SAYS NOTHING. well, he says he might be around this evening or whatever. Marv, despite making two posts, one of which was decent sized, has actually NOT contributed since my original case against him. It just looks like he's contributing if you read his post quickly without thinking. This thing he's done? It's literally what scum would do. Marv is more certainly scum than he has ever been. In my mind, Marv is the scummiest scum scum scum in this game, and it's blantantly obvious to anyone who gives his filter and his recent "contributions" even a cursory analysis. ##STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY ##STILL STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY -Blazinghand I account for literally every post Marv's made this game. And I show that he's scummy scum and deserves to die a horrible death. ##still definitely voting the dicks out of: Marv -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Hey blazing, have you taken a second to think about how you have been looking at marv through red lenses, therefore skewing your viewpoint and coming to unfair conclusions? Yes. I am entirely objective. If you have an objection to one of the statements in my case, make it. Pussyfooting around the issue isn't a legitimate objection, it is called "soft defending" and is unhelpful to both myself and Marv. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:16 PaqMan wrote: I'm gonna follow up on this and switch my vote for Risen. This is interesting, given that you are Marv's scumbuddy. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:19 Mattchew wrote: I know what soft defending is. I have never had a scum read on marv and I don't think his posts have been useless. This is why I think you are seeing his posts through clouded lenses. I think he has done a pretty decent job of showing his thought process and seems relatively open to posting (much more so of recent than in the beginning). I don't see him as having something to hide and I see a lot better candidates for todays lynch. I see you trying too hard and tunneling someone and seeing everything they do as scummy regardless of what it is. This makes you a bad townie imo I think you're not on the Marv wagon, making you a profoundly unhelpful townie imo. I also think that a hard defense rather than soft defense would have been more appropriation for your initial protection of Marv. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:21 MidnightGladius wrote: Would you care to take a step back and look for other possible scum candidates, or are you going to insist that you're right? I am right. Also, Paqman is pretty clearly Marv's scumbuddy. When Marv flips GF it'll mean Paq is also scum. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:20 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 04:04 layabout wrote: If VE was right about anything it's that he is not a good shot for mafia. Saying let's not lynch this guy that people are willing to lynch because if he is town the mafia will kill him for us is crazy. If VE is town they his a a walking mislynch tying his own noose. Since mafia's greatest threat is the lynch, townies that might get mislynched are townies that the mafia benefit from keep alive. Please come up with a scenario in which this could happen. I can't think of one. no we don't (cough jailkeeper or a liar cough ) wtf? who is lynching him for information? point them out so that we can all say that you never lynch for information because that is dumb, you lynch to hit scum. I don't get this "I want us to vig BM not lynch him" the lynch is reliable but a vig shot in a game that might not have vigi's could have multiple Jailkeepers and has 2 bulletproof mafia is not garanteed to get us a flip. People should read and understand this post. I don't understand why people are moving off VE on the basis off potential night-actions that may or may not happen (and which mafia could work out and discuss to their favour). VE so far this game made a ridiculous objection to gonzaw's plan, before fabricating some weird case against gonzaw on the basis of a scum-slip that wasn't even a scum-slip. Then he goes and claims JK on the basis that he needed to stop a plan that wasn't actually happening. Timing-wise it was just ridiculous. I can't understand the motivations for it, and if that was the reason it was a terrible one. From LI I've learnt that I can't find the rational reason, probably there's an underlying scum one. Added to the fact that I've lost count of who VE is happy to lynch and point fingers at. Why are we moving off VE when he's a walking liability to us if he lives? By far Marv's best and most useful post, almost certainly made in response to my renewed vigour in my case against him. As you can see, he's only willing to post just above whatever bar I set for him in order to appear townie when he is in fact scum. -Blazinghand. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. I'll spoiler it so it isn't atrocious. Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. Gonzaw and Mememntoss just aren't very smart, and Paqman is scum trying to hide in an alternative wagon for the day end. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote: Oh jebus, you caught me. How about you try throwing down some proof instead of spouting out senseless crap. You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this: On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote: BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on. I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote: What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum? What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me?? You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather". We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you. On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote: lolwut? If I wanted to ride a wagon then I'd be agreeing with all the bullshit capslock you throw at marv. If I was scum I'd leave my vote on Mattchew and wait until D1 ends. But it's obvious that I have no support at all behind my case against so I'm making my vote go to the next best thing, Risen. Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._. Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live). like the one you're on now. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:45 PaqMan wrote: The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum. Or you're scum trying to bail out your scumbuddy Marv On April 23 2012 04:52 PaqMan wrote: I never voted on Marv, what the hell are you talking about. I don't need to mention him because you've been riding his dick the entire game. I also looove how you keep putting words in my mouth because you know I'm not scum and you dont got shit on me. I've actually been riding his ass, not his dick. Also, don't misinterpret me intentionally like you just did here. We were talking about what you'd do if you were scum. You said you'd leave your vote on Mattchew until the end of D1, and I said if you were scum and Marv were town, it'd make more sense for you to leave your vote on Marv instead of mattchew-- and the fact that you're assuming Marv is scum is consistent with a scumslip. In any case, all these people on shitty not-Marv non-wagons as single votes need to come and vote for Marv. we're gonna lynch him, he's gonna flip GF, then we're gonna lynch Paq. -Blazinghand | ||
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.... On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: Go look at the voting thread. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote: Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote: BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch? The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable. EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes: -Blazinghand On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote: oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote: I'm genuinely looking forward to throwing this in your face post-game. I'm genuinely looking forward to hanging your worthless scum ass in the next few hours. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:24 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:21 BlazingJitsu wrote: The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable. EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes: -Blazinghand No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs. -Blazinghand If you think I'm scum come at me bro. You have nothing to back up your sorry claims besides the fact that I believe Marv is town. Easy enough; we lynch Marv, he flips GF, it becomes clear you were directing vigis onto him to waste their shots, then we lynch you, and your scumteam is very mad at both you and Marv for being sub terrible people. On April 23 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote: I thought it was only bad newbs who tunneled so much and used confirmation bias so heavily in their cases. Apparently I was quite wrong. Pros like myself will tunnel hard, develop a case, force mistakes, and be right and crush scum like yourself who deserve to be crushed like the flies you are. What's the matter? Worried bout getting lynched? -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote: BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once? Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure. Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point. This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:52 iGrok wrote: Lynch in 1 hour. Please tone it down guys (You know who you are). If this game degenerates into a flame fest, redff will be right, and we can't have that, can we? Fair enough. Gentlemen, I am at your disposal. What can I do to get this Marv lynch rolling? -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote: terrible objection to gonzaw, terrible claim, terrible scumslip case on gonzaw, terribly timed claim in conjunction with gonzaw plan, and ragequitting. Since when is ragequitting a valid defence or pro-town play? It is not pro-town play, but it is typical VE play as town. He did something similar in SOAF IIRC. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:03 layabout wrote: I think he was co-hosting that game Gonna go sleep. If you are afraid of killing VE then kill BM, neither of them care about the game anyway. I seem to recall him actually leading a shitty mislynch, then giving up when I pressured him N1. Since, you know, I was *in* that game. But hey maybe you're right. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote: Alrighty, I'm done being angry with you. I would love for you to consider scenario 2 though, which I did try to explain at some point: I sadly have a social life, and my original one-liners were due to not having the required time to make a thorough analysis of what's at hand. Last night I was playing mafia and not socialising as much as I could have because actually I'd rather not get lynched for something so silly. Now the game has got rolling, I'm back home, I have more to comment on and say, and as you say, this is more 'normal'. Long story short - I didn't have much time and posted a couple of one-liners (obviously i should have just posted nothing). Now I have more time I am posting more sensibly and it is more thought out. It was not 'your pressure' that made me contribute, it's the fact that I spent time I previously did not to try to contribute. Please consider this instead of just a dismissive wave of the hand where everything I do simply confirms the previous thing. Because that's just not good logical thinking. I understand the excuses you've made for your scummy behavior. It is possible they are the truth. But look at it from my perspective: you're arguing that coincidentally, you happened to gradually step up your game as I pressured you, and coincidentally, it just happened to look like you were trying as hard as possible to not contribute but look like you were contributing. A scum player like yourself easily makes up a story about a social life. Is there anything to your statements that makes me think you're not lying? In fact, as scum, this is exactly the lie you'd tell, isn't it? Your lies are meaningless. They aren't something only a townie could do. They do not convince me, scum. ##Still Voting: Marv -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote: The fact that people that haven't contributed ANYTHING to this game. BM and Zephridd are just stopping by and like SUP? Ima last minute vote VE he is scummmmmmm. Then Zephridd was like wait, I fucked up that last minute part we actually had an hour LOL gg. Zeph scum with Marv and Paq -Blazinghand | ||
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VE is a moron and a giver-upper but he does this as town. BM is inactive and unhelpful but he does this as town. You know what I think about Marv I have an associative tell for Paq regarding the Marv deal Zeph jumps out as unusually bad and scummy. I'm willing to consider moving my vote from Marv to Paq if it's not possible to lynch Marv today. I am open to any new arguments. I'm around for 10 more minutes then I've gotta run. Marv is scum. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote: So how do we resolve the VE situation given he's basically not playing? What do we do with him tomorrow? oh man you're right, what should we do with a player who's being utterly worthless -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:40 johnnywup wrote: Where's jitsu been? He's been playing Diablo 3. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:40 johnnywup wrote: Where's jitsu been? Also, what's it matter? This isn't the first time I've seen this. Blazinghand and I are one entity this game. It doesn't matter who signs the end of the post. More then likely, we are coming to agreements together in another form of communication and solidifying reads/talking about the game. The more people who ask where I am, the longer I refrain from posting to spite you all. >.> | ||
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All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases. The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it: On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote: BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on. I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote: What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum? What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me?? How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots. Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq. The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Then, there's this deal here: On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote: Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously. Big mistake. This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG. In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy. I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 07:38 layabout wrote: "I pledge to stop swearing for the rest of the game in the hope that we will all be nicer to each other" - layabout BH is trying to get town cred from the lynch even though he ignored VE until it was too late for him to stop the lynch. We should lynch BlazingJitsu tomorrow. If St. Daniel is posting in another game but not this one even though this started first then there must be a reason for this. It seems likely that this reason is that he rolled scum and is frightened to post. Are you fucking kidding me? By what unfathomable absence of reason do you think I wanted VE to get lynched? I literally did everything I could to get Marv lynched. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: Bad timing for that swearing Blazing :x I didn't insult anyone. I've toned it down quite a bit actually. The insulting part of my post is the part where I imply an "unfathomable absence of reason"-- but I consider it within normal bounds of TL Mafia play. -Blazinghand. | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:34 layabout wrote: You haven't addressed anything i have said about you. I feel no need whatsoever to address the atrocity against human reason you call a case. -Blazinghand | ||
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If you flip town I will literally eat my hat. IRL. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:51 layabout wrote: I never called it a case. I never said "you wanted to get VE lynched" I posted that you said you would address VE but that you made no attempt to defend him until it was too late, i think this is because you didn't want to stop him being lynched. I have said that you are tunneling marv to avoid giving real opinions or making any real contributions. Furthermore if marv flip's town then you are able to back out of every other accusation that you have made* because they would no longer be valid. They are the primary causes for my suspicion. Also, many of the reason's behind your accusations are preposterous. + Show Spoiler + i cannot go into detail now as it's 1 am and i have to be up in a few hours *i have not looked for a counter example i am mostly referring to your accusations against paqman and mignightgladius You cannot go into detail? You ARE aware daybreak is in like 10 minutes? As a town player, I don't know I'll be alive in 10 minutes. What makes you so sure? You scum? -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:55 Zephirdd wrote: Also wtf is with johny and marv buddying up like that. johny, what happened to your vote on marvellosity? You went from "marv is scum"(voting him) to "leaning to Bill" to "zeph is scum"? Tell town your thoughts on marvellosity right now. Don't worry literally everyone except you and me thinks marv is some untouchable angel of extreme towniness -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:59 layabout wrote: In this post BH yet against avoids addressing the issue but he does make a wild accusation that is, "silly" at best. He is doing this to make himself look aggressive and confident so that people will have faith in him or think that he is town In this post Layabout avoids addressing the issue but he does be worthless -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 09:02 layabout wrote: Since the issue is "Blazinghand respond to my argument" you are the only one that can address it. Oh and i think zeph is not scummy. The other issue is "how does layabout know he wont' be shot" -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 09:22 Risen wrote: I feel like you should be making your cases and then posting whatever you get done as late as possible. I'm not saying try and get it in 1min before deadline, but at least try and wait until 10mins before deadline. I don't even have that large of a problem with posting cases at night, my problem is with posting town reads at night. I agree with this statement. Typically I am silent for most of the night unless someone seriously needs to get smacked down by my mad logic bombs. I post my cases more towards the end of the night whenever possible. -Blazinghand. | ||
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On April 24 2012 10:42 gonzaw wrote: Wait: So...does this mean marvellosity is confirmed town? Does that look like an IRL photo of me eating my hat? -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 10:49 gonzaw wrote: You know, every time you tell someone "If you flip town I will literally eay my hat", I just assume they will indeed flip town. I mean, you did that twice already (when you were town) and they both flipped town, so I don't see why it won't work again. Of course this is assuming you are town again, but well I think you are. Those last two times were the except that proves the rule. If my MS paint art is not enough to convince you, then perhaps some irl photos will help. As you can see, I have NOT yet eaten my hat, but am fully prepared to do so should Marv flip town. And if you don't like this sexy photo bear in mind that it's all your fault. -Blazinghand | ||
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die scum die -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote: Oh, and BJ, do you still insist on tunneling marv? I consider Paq to be an acceptable lynch, and if it really comes down to it, I might be able make do with you as well. But Marv has pretty much claimed scum, and needs to die. I'll do some rereading before I come to a verdict on you. That being said, I understand the necessity of discussing other candidates today given the general badditude of everyone who's like "oh Marv isn't scum". I will make all appropriate efforts to find the 3 Non-Marv Scums (NMSes)-- but lynching Marv is the most important thing for today and is my top priority. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:20 MidnightGladius wrote: The only problem is that, going from yesterday, no one will follow you to a marv lynch, and unless you can actually present compelling evidence otherwise, no one will follow you today. At that point, all of your posts are just cluttering up the thread. On April 24 2012 13:17 BlazingJitsu wrote: That being said, I understand the necessity of discussing other candidates today given the general badditude of everyone who's like "oh Marv isn't scum". I will make all appropriate efforts to find the 3 Non-Marv Scums (NMSes)-- but lynching Marv is the most important thing for today and is my top priority. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:25 johnnywup wrote: Besides thinking marv is scum, do you disagree with the others, Blazing? People are idiots. so: two people that voted for VE confirmed town. plus, VE voted for himself. That leaves six-- guaranteed at least one mafia was on that wagon. We just need to find them. Time to review some D1. -Blazinghand | ||
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If he wants to lynch Marv then I'll go spool it and twist it from strings into rope myself. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:34 Bill Murray wrote: Bh, Why do you want to lynch him? I don't see it. First he was scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270 Then he PRETENDED to be townie but didn't help, making him even more scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=19#377 and things only deteriorated from there: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=30#592 And at the end of the day, his vote was on VE, and not for great reasons, as I mentioned in the linked case. That's currently my reasoning. -Blazinghand | ||
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Examining the VE wagon, the vote for him that stands out the most is Ottoxlol's vote. Let's take a look: On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a bullshit reason for voting VisceraEyes. If we take a look at it at it's core, he's basically saying "VE played in a sub-optimal way" as the basis for his case, but take a look at how he finishes his little case summary: On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. He closes off his case by trying to abdicate responsibility for it. He knows VE is going to flip town, and he wants to blame other people when it happens without sounding inconsistent. Now, on its own, maybe this wouldn't be so bad. I mean, it's scummy as fuck, but maybe we have bigger targets, like Marv? Well, let's take a look on what Ottoxlol has been doing to "scumhunt" since D1: On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote: I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later This says absolutely nothing. This is Ottoxlol trying to push people who were on the VE wagon with some unhelpful WIFOM. Paying close attention to this post, you'll realize he doesn't actually push anyone as scum. This is unhelpful shitty dick play. This is scum play that he set up D1. This is Ottoxlol trying to pool the proverbial wool over the town's eyes by trying to appear helpful. Ottoxlol, you didn't want to take responsibility for your vote on VE, and you don't want to take responsibility for pushing others on his wagon. Your posts are waffling, unhelpful, and scummy. ##vote: Ottoxlol Come at me bro -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 19:45 Ottoxlol wrote: You did not make a good enough case against Marv and you did not defend VE. So you were not that confident. lol this kid -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 20:13 Ottoxlol wrote: Nice comment bro, so are you speechless? VE did not respond to anything, making us believe he's scum or doesn't give a hoots about the game. You seem very engaged, I suggest you come up with something good why did u switched from tunneling marv. You did accuse me, I respond, you did not. That post was worthless, in line with the rest of your posts in this thread. The fact of the matter is, I'm not voting you because you voted VE, I'm voting you because of how you voted VE. If you can't see that, you're being obtuse-- either deliberately or otherwise. Your vote on VE was hedging. It was trying to deflect the "Blame" of your vote onto other players. you were setting up for what you did at the start of D1, which was to try to blame everyone on the VE wagon but yourself, but not in an overly committal way, that way you can back out of things easily. I really don't get how you don't understand WHAT my case on you is about. It must take some truly unfathomable density on your part to keep up this pointless charade. -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: LOL I don't understand your case. LOL that's cause you're scum. On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: You say the reason I'm scum because the way i voted VE. First I made a case about why VE is playing badly about the massvigclaim plan, then when he claimed, I stated my reasoning why he shouldn't have, and because you guys said he's the best player ever it's obvious that he is scum. I stated why a scum VE would claim and asked him why did he think the claim was good play. He did not respond, started accusing every second player and yelling, then rqd. WRONG. First you made a case in which you said that your vote was PREDICATED on other people's statements in which you ABDICATED responsibility. Then (and hey! you forgot to address this part in your post!) after the flips, you decided to do a totally nocomittal push of the other people on the VE wagon in a way that you could point at the post and say "look I'm justified in hopping on this wagon" later in the day. And now that you're called out for your scum tactics you're afraid and lonely. On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: You still did not respond why is this strong enough to switch from tunneling marv. You really don't get it, do you? You know why I just voted you now as opposed to, say, during N1 or D1? Because during N1 and D1 you hadn't followed up on your waffling, blame-shifting VE vote (and subsequent blue flip) with a shitty waffling catch-all shit-fling at the other wagon members. You see, Marv WAS the best target up until you made your "hey guys there are 0 or 2 scum on the wagon" post a few hours ago. Now, it's you by a nose. On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: Stating my posts are worthless, when you did not help town at all (not defending VE when you claim it was obv he's town, not stating a single good case that would rally ppl from VE), is the nail in your coffin. #vote BlazingJitsu Your posts ARE worthless. I pushed Marv D1 and I'm proud of the fact. There's no pride in your posting. only waffling. This case against me is the only REAL post you've made all game and anyone who looks at your filter will see that. In any case, I've got some sleeping to do, classes to go to, the usual. Nice OMGUS. See you in a bit. -Blazinghand | ||
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