TL Mafia 'Area' LIII

On April 21 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
are you high?

On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote:
How are you feeling VE?

Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew?


we need Risen to rise and get posting
we need ghost 403 to de-cloak
we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence
we need Janaan to get out of bed
we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven*
we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us
we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game
we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit
we need layabout to stop with the puns lead us to victory

On whatever date and time johnnywup wrote:

I think [UoN] Sentinel is the scummiest and I will post a case on him in a bit.

On April 22 2012 08:43 johnnywup wrote:
yes gonzaw i can in fact change my mind. I found my case on sentinel was subpar so i didn't post it. whats wrong with that?

On April 22 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
Make it better? I think the case was bad and I didn't have enough evidence to make it a good case. So get off me. I don't care what it makes me look like. If I have a bad case and I post it and people recognize that it's bad then that's worse. I'm being perfectly transparent that my case was bad. I don't have to post anything for you.

On April 22 2012 07:38 Ottoxlol wrote:
[UoN] Sentinel had two real posts, the first

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He doesnt know that GFs cant shoot.. Nuf said, very bad post, calling out gonzaw but not making a case against his plan

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I would wait till he put more on the table before we jump to conclusions, I disagree with that plans always benefiting mafia. He's talkin more in general terms, so maybe if he states his case more clearly we'll get more information.

Sentinel, if you would be so kind to tell us your opinion about who's benefiting the town right now and who's not, i would like to read what do you think who should we lynch.

On April 22 2012 06:01 slOosh wrote:
I like Ottoxlol - his questions are pertinent.

And yes I think VisceraEyes is scum.

On April 22 2012 09:35 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: This is how I contribute. I find scum, I tell people they are scum, and I beat them to a pulp when they respond to me thinking they are scum. If Sentinel bothered to poke his head in the thread, I'd be beating the crap out of him at the moment. See TLM LI.

@gonzaw: I don't like everyone voting all over the place, but I can see exactly what you're saying, so I'm going to
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
because I think he's playing the scummiest at the moment. (This me not liking to vote is really something I need to get out of my usual play.) VE's disappearance from should be noted.

As far as this change of heart, I don't see it as a change of heart. Not all bad play is scummy play. What I was trying to get across there is that I think that Sentinel is the better lynch out of the two of them.

@johnny: I hate writing up cases against people. I pointed it out that I think he's scummy here. I think big posts are a waste of time and space, but that's probably why no one listens to me in these games.

brb, writing up a big poast.

On April 22 2012 10:00 Ottoxlol wrote:
slOosh defending me made him the number one of my suspects.

GFs dont have kp, only Goons have. You haven't read the rules or the thread

On April 22 2012 09:50 ghost_403 wrote:

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3 posts really doesn't give you much to go on.

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I don't like this post. It reading this post out of context implies that everyone has already come to the conclusion that gonzaw is mafia, when that isn't at all what's happening in the thread. Up to this point, VE is the only person who's pushed this idea at all. IMO, this is him hedging his bets. I can see him allowing a gonzaw lynch, gonzaw flips green, and him saying "Called it! I'm townie!"

In addition, this is not how you discuss another posters post. Just saying "I don't agree" is not the least bit helpful to the town.

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"Hey guys, let's not work together at all!" Towns have to work together. Instead, he's encouraging anarchy, and giving himself a pass to do it.

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Worthless post, and it was posted 15 minutes after layabout's original post. I'm pretty sure Ver said something about lurkers posting exactly this way in his guide. Clearly, he's here. Clearly he's not doing anything.

At this point, Sentinel has had plenty of time to contribute something, anything, to this town, and he has not. I believe that this is not because he is busy, but because he's scum.

tl;dr - vote sentinel.

On April 22 2012 10:08 johnnywup wrote:
yo sentinel

On April 22 2012 10:10 johnnywup wrote:


no, PMs=PMs.

On April 22 2012 10:12 ghost_403 wrote:
@sentinel

My problem is there wasn't a bandwagon. You make it sound like the entire town has gonzaw up on the gallows, when really it's just VE standing in the center of the town screaming that gonzaw is scum.

Small but vocal groups can be influential to turning lynches around.

Also, that wasn't a question. This is you making a statement, trying to look like you're contributing. Tell me, did you get your quesiton answered?

Just no. Towns work together or they lose.

"It's my meta" is not a good counter to "I think you're useless." Stop being useless and find me some scum.

Strike three because another chunk, maybe 50%, can be summarized with "Shut the hell up and help me find scum." This to me looks more threatening than old Viscera did.

Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length.

On April 22 2012 04:02 St.Daniel wrote:
It's so fucking hard to keep up with everything when you are at a camp with a crappy internet connection XD
I've read everything and I can't conclude anything with a confident, but I do have some ideas based on my observation so far. I'll post again as soon as I put some of pieces together.

And there is no need to be hostile at each this early in game, because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. As long as we keep expressing ideas without trying to bite each other's head off. Remember, keep it simple and clear. <3 TL.

On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
/confirm

Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch.

On April 23 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:
..... I can't believe we just let that happen.

slOosh
marvellosity
Bill Murray
Ottoxlol
VE
layabout
Sentinel
Zephirdd

In order of voting time. I wonder how many scum were on VE's lynch? Tomorrow, we're taking a long hard look at Zephirdd.

On April 22 2012 22:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Ok. What the hell is a "non-cooperative Jailkeeper"?

Coupled with trying to sway townies so much over the course of this thread, I feel no shame in voting VE.

##Unvote: ghost_403
##Vote: VisceraEyes

St. Dan is next on my list. As for Brood, his last post was fluff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself.

##Unvote: Bill Murray
##Vote: VisceraEyes

For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition.

gg

On April 24 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
posting reads before deadline... have to shit real bad so brb in like 20

On April 24 2012 22:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
So your case is that I can't make a case? Please make a case before calling me out.

On April 24 2012 22:21 Ottoxlol wrote:
I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong.

Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts.
Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there
layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town
Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution
Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too.

We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched.

They lurk too, but less then BM. I'm fine with any of them lynched.

On April 25 2012 03:15 Ottoxlol wrote:
@mattchew

My first bigger post about VE http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=18#343
My vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14438199
After that I engaged with the debate, see my filter

@ghost I am getting frustrated, you accuse me, I respond, you do not read my posts. shall I start making up cases too?



This is ok. clear reasoning, but all the other accusations has been answered already. Get off my back and read my posts.

On April 25 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
I will post as soon as I figure out. I already told you I have no clear reads so lurkers are fine with me.

Pressuring me to take a stand, then when i say i have no strong reads so right now I would lynch lurkers. And thats scummy because I dont take a stand. Or I dont have strong reads. Oh wait thats impossible, we have so good cases everyone rallied to lynch the scum of the day.

On April 25 2012 05:41 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Sentinel

I already answered most of these accusations, read my posts.
One new point however, the one liners. When ppl doesnt reply or their accusations lack content and/or I already explained it several times why do you want a wall of text?

On April 24 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I would be pretty hypocritical to vote him for that. I don't see it. It is really easy to mistake someone who is nervous with a Doctor or Jailkeeper role as being mafia... It's something we can't help. VE's vote for me was more like a placeholder. I was pretty busy during the time period. I didn't expect to get wagonned by mafia and for him to actually die. VE is a great player that shouldn't ever be lynched on D1. We should have lynched someone like Paqman on policy, though I'm glad we didn't now. His "we could have 3 vigs" comment cracked me up.

On April 25 2012 06:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Sentinel

Your main argument is that I did nothing and I post a lot of one liners.

I did push gonzaws plan, pressured VE, you. then after he claimed I made a case against him and defended it. D2 I had a plan, no one liked it. I have no strong reads so I don't have a case right now, but the majority of ppl doesnt have neither.

On April 25 2012 06:28 Ottoxlol wrote:
Of course defending myself is pro-town, what is this question i don't even.

The second part is very nice of your post. Maybe I am the helicopter!

On April 25 2012 06:33 Ottoxlol wrote:
So you would rather have me not posting then try to prevent a misslynch?

On April 25 2012 09:09 Risen wrote:
I just posted a giant case and spoilered it, but it seems no one is going to read it b/c it's spoilered. Do I need to repost it in all its massive glory so that someone will respond? Wtf :/

I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea
I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out.

Sentinel attacked BM
Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp
marv attacked Zeph
BM defending Zeph and marv
laya attacking marv, defending zeph
Zeph attacking BM, and marv

I think this will not make a strong read, but I try

If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa
If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa
If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa
.

So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later

On April 22 2012 14:45 Janaan wrote:
I will say this, VE's claim fits his critique of Gonzaw's plan perfectly. At this point, I have no reason to doubt his claims.

Paqman, it's like you're purposely misunderstanding Mattchew about VE's claim, I understood exactly what he meant the first time he said it. Either that, or you just don't want to believe that Mattchew is actually making sense, which leads me to believe that you're tunneling him a bit too hard. Please, try to step back and objectively read what Mattchew is saying.

At the moment, none of the cases are terribly convincing for me. I also hate the fact that we're well over half through with day 1 and there are still players who haven't said a single word since the game started. I don't know if scum is among them or not, but at this point, it's impossible to tell.

The one vote that does make sense to me right now is Bill Murray. He's proven that he's in the thread, he's posted a few times, but he really doesn't seem to care at all. All his posts are entirely void of content, which makes me think that either he's scum trying to get away with not saying anything or he's a townie who just doesn't care about the game. Bill, if you DO care, start being more useful please.

##Vote: Bill Murray

I won't be on for another 14 hours or so, I'll be back in the thread around then if anything happens.

On April 25 2012 02:55 Janaan wrote:
At work so I don't have much time.

Ottoxlol, my question to you is this: You say you want to lynch to gain information. Ok, fine. That's not a good mindset, but I'll accept that you think it's a good idea for a minute. What I don't understand is why that makes BM the best lynch. He himself hasn't given any firm stances, and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been anyone who hasn't at least questioned him for lurking, and NO ONE has defended him. So exactly what information will we gain from lynching him that makes it the best choice? Working from the mindset that lynching for information is a good idea, it would make more sense to me to lynch a more controversial target.

On whatever date and time Ottoxlol wrote:

a) I'm just frustrated that no one reads my posts I have to repeat everything 10 times. Also the posts 90% lack that kind of contribution that it is expected from me.

because you will skew the case and your answer to put you in the best most townie light as town or scum, so your personal defense is pretty much meaningless in my eyes. I will judge you off your cases, interactions with others, opinions, and overall gameplay, not your self-defense

On April 26 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:


I find this an odd comment to make.

On April 26 2012 04:57 johnnywup wrote:
i'm pushing sentinel the most out of gonzaws cases because of:

On April 26 2012 05:05 johnnywup wrote:
lol sentinel...before your ebwop i was like uhh o.o. still, that will be noted. and i dont believe you either. he wrote that case after the deadline. scum couldn't change their shot at that point, so your point is null.

On April 26 2012 05:13 johnnywup wrote:
I'm wondering why it was A 2 D and not ABC or 1 2 3. Whats up with that? O_o

On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote:
Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so

BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum.

Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum
Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him.

By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now.

On April 25 2012 09:49 Zephirdd wrote:
Anyhow, I'm baffled about how much people can't consolidate reads.
My scum reads are actually similar to BH's: marv, Midnight and Ottoxlol look bad to me. In fact, I'd say Ottoxlol is a better target than Sentinel for now.

Sentinel, I just pointed out town-confirmed reads, as in, reads that can be trusted to be pro-town. Opinions that we know that aren't scum opinions. Y'know, trustable opinions. No, I never said they are right.

Marv, just because I never mention Sentinel, teh lurker, doesn't mean I can't vote him to bring him out. Simply put, after he posted I switched to Ottoxlol.

On April 26 2012 06:58 Zephirdd wrote:


How often have you seen the following situation?
=> OMG HE LURKS ##VOTE LURK
=> Hi guys Im back
=> OMG HE NO LURKS ANYMOAR ##UNVOTE LURK

That's the same fucking thing. Geez.

On April 26 2012 11:09 johnnywup wrote:
vigs definitely should shoot tonight though.

and sentinel, wtf? visit/shoot/jail them both? You realise jail heals them? from NKs? Such as vig shots? . . . youre suggesting that we both protect and shoot them?

On April 26 2012 11:16 johnnywup wrote:

The vig role of trying to shoot greens. yeah ok sentinel. you were thinking of scum kills.

On April 26 2012 11:28 Janaan wrote:




I'm sorry, but what? Look at the bolded sections. First they should do their work without revealing, then a tracker should reveal himself without any guarantee that we even HAVE a Jailkeeper? Not only can the JK not protect the tracker without the tracker being roleblocked, but no real tracker would claim unless they had some actual information that we could find scum with. These two posts in conjunction look pretty scummy to me. Not only is the advice to blues bad, he contradicts himself.

On April 26 2012 11:43 johnnywup wrote:
my opinion for blue actions is that blues should do whatever they feel benefits town the most. they cannot consult town to find whats best so they should go by gut feeling and research. don't reveal yourself unless you're a vig, and if you're a vig, reveal only JUST before day post. tracker only reveal if you track someone visiting someone who died, JK should only reveal if there is a missing scum kill.

2x Mafia Goon: You may kill at night. You are not required to kill.

On April 26 2012 11:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I was thinking more WIFOM-y game where JK either protects tracker or someone else

<<johnny's post>>

I'm going to go with this and shut up before I say something more stupid

On April 26 2012 09:03 MidnightGladius wrote:
At least all of those votes moving around at the deadline should yield something interesting.

On April 28 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:


If the triumvirate would be scum why on earth scum MG would say that?

On April 29 2012 01:19 Mattchew wrote:

So you don't listening to the thoughts of confirmed townies? Interesting, another soft defense of ottox/risen

On April 29 2012 01:24 Mattchew wrote:

wrong and WIFOM

dead peoples thoughts are important because we know their alignment, that is all

On April 29 2012 10:34 PaqMan wrote:
I also don't like how Sentinel completely dropped off our radar after Gonzaw died. He was Gonzaw's biggest scumread.
Sentinel Case

^Everyone please read through it.

Conclusion:

• Sentinel is just posting to avoid the spotlight. When he posts he either just defends himself against accusations, he posts fluff and filler about useless things (like that "QT=/=PM" post), or posts wishy-washy stances on other players
  
• He ignores all current discussions and posts things that are irrelevant to them. He talks about players that have nothing to do with the discussion (and like said before in a wishy-washy manner), he talks about current events way too late and doesn't provide any new (or even remotely useful) content regarding it
  
• Starts fighting with ghost to disrupt the thread, starts FoSing him but after they keep fighting he fails to take a stance on the ghost subject, he just argues with him for the sake of arguing.
  
• He is "suspicious" and wishy washy about a lot of players and never makes the effort of mentioning them again or contributing more thoughts about them.
  
• He votes VE without any reasoning and only based on VE "trying to sway townies", and nothing else
  
• Doesn't actively contribute, lurks and posts only sporadically.
  

He's scum and I'll vote for him tomorrow.

On April 29 2012 14:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Johnny
No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail.

On April 30 2012 09:37 johnnywup wrote:
hey guys im eliminated from the tournament so i have a few moments to look over the thread.

first off: do you have proof sentinel? I believe you but I'd like proof just in case

Ottox is confirmed Not Goon from sentinels. I think we should aim for goons before GFs, even if we have confirmed scum. GFs are useless at this stage for scum, we don't have a vig so they don't have any real powers. We need to aim for the KP before we kill the GFs, imo.

So if anyone has any idea who the Goon is, we should lynch that person.

On April 26 2012 11:09 johnnywup wrote:
vigs definitely should shoot tonight though.

and sentinel, wtf? visit/shoot/jail them both? You realise jail heals them? from NKs? Such as vig shots? . . . youre suggesting that we both protect and shoot them?

On April 26 2012 11:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
First off, no. One blue does his action on Otto and the other blue does his action on BM. And I'm wondering about the JK role actually, whether we can gamble and roleblock one of the two goons or having to shoot a green. Optimally we could have tracker and JK, tracker reveals himself and JK protects him from the shadows until we find scums.

On April 26 2012 11:43 johnnywup wrote:
my opinion for blue actions is that blues should do whatever they feel benefits town the most. they cannot consult town to find whats best so they should go by gut feeling and research. don't reveal yourself unless you're a vig, and if you're a vig, reveal only JUST before day post. tracker only reveal if you track someone visiting someone who died, JK should only reveal if there is a missing scum kill.

On April 27 2012 04:35 layabout wrote:
ghost you may want to do some redirecting:
JK's stay the hell away from ottox, if you want to block a goon go for BK (or maybe MG) instead.
Vig's shoot the crap out of ottox. When he flips red we will be in a great position. On the outside chance that he flips green then we will know we are on the wrong track.
Trackers on Risen or BK or MG.

On April 30 2012 08:59 marvellosity wrote:
So, in case I die tonight.

My thoughts about scumteam atm are: Ottoxlol, Bill Murray, Sentinel/Risen. But the third is definitely not set in stone, if I was forced to choose I'd go Sentinel.

As things went I pushed Zephirdd for lynch and it saved Ottoxlol, then my analysis and my gut said MG was scum while Ottoxlol was town. These reads haven't gone very well for me, and the weight of opinion on Ottoxlol seems overwhelming.

As far as I'm concerned, Bill Murray pretty much claimed scum on the thread:



This is just taking the piss (see in spoilers also) and no-one really noticed, but wow. Practically a scum claim.

I didn't like Sentinel's comments on what the remaining blue should be doing tonight. He still seems off to me.

[b]Risen]/b] just made a post so I'm not so sure. There's cases against him, his voting madness, and giving up is just not good.

On May 01 2012 07:57 johnnywup wrote:
What do you mean use a break? You haven't posted anything except that to take a break from

Three things to sum up what you said in the post: Sent pointed out a mistake in MG’s post, he made a townlist, and "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping.". Three things to counter what you said in this post: He did this so as to prevent misunderstandings about him bandwagoning, not everyone thinks townlists are bad, and you made an excuse post yourself:
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On May 03 2012 09:46 Risen wrote:
Mattchew is lying.

I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.

On May 02 2012 08:28 Mattchew wrote:
what if sent is fake claiming and the real blue is just waiting for the right opportunity. I believe sent but idk

On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote:
meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game

On May 02 2012 10:26 Mattchew wrote:
sent should jail BM
and we should lynch BM tomorrow

that is all

goodnight

TLDR; We are actually in LYLO, I am Vig, Risen and Sent are scum. Bill Murray is confirmed town.

I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.

If mafia claim vig, and claim to shoot a target, and then do so with their own KP, this can happen:
The Goon claimed vig, and he uses his KP to shoot his claimed target: Then he wastes his other KP. If he was real vig, then there would be an additional KP, but in this case there isn't. In this case he HAS to claim that the target of scum's KP got Jailed, which can bring problems to him depending on the real JKs, for instance if there is no JK he's fucked).
In this case, a tracker on him will watch him visit his claimed target
Also, in this case (if a tracker tracks him), they can't "shoot" someone, claim their shot failed and say his target was GF, because the tracker will instantly know it's bullshit.
The GF claimed vig and he uses the Goon's KP to shoot his claimed target: Same as above, but only the Goon will use his KP. So if a tracker tracks him, he will know he didn't shoot his target and will know he's scum.


I guess this means that maybe the GF's won't fake-claim vig, and the Goons will instead? In that case, if we ever lynch him, he will flip Goon and we will know 100% that he was scum when he's lynched.
If he was GF and we lynched him, since he would flip GF we wouldn't be 100% sure he was scum.


So to fake-claim, scum have to choose between:
Goon claiming:
Pros: Being protected from tracker's results
Cons: Not creating confusion if they ever get lynched. Having to rely on JK's to claim their shots

Godfather claiming:
Pros: Creating confusion if they ever get lynched,
Cons: Relying on JK's to claim their shots. Not being protected from tracker's results.

Cons from both of them: If they don't want to rely on JKs to claim their shots, scum have to fake a claimed shot on a target, and say that his target is GF after there is no kill the next day. This will lead them to a 1v1.

Weird Scenario that they can use: If a Goon claims vig, that night he can use his KP to shoot a GF; then the next day he claims that scum's KP was blocked by a JK AND that his target is GF. Trackers on him will see him shooting the GF, so that may "confirm" him, although it seems too wild (but well, I'm editing this post so I am free to put anything I want, so fuck you )



The point is that they have to choose, they HAVE to do something. We will force them to react to our plans, and hopefully they fuck up their plans/fake-claims and we catch them easily.

Your argument is that I am admitting I was wrong about BM after pushing him all game? Thats it? You didn't know I was the vig, but you did know that I was actively pushing BM, this made him the perfect candidate, cause if you claim to jail BM and no kill occurs, you know that I will push for BM's death as hard as anyone.

Your plan failed because I know you are not Jailkeeper therefore scum held their kill on purpose to mislynch BM and win. BM is being painted red by scum because he was the easiest mislynch target.

But what really bothers me the most about the whole ordeal is that Mattchew's claim could have been a last-ditch effort to save BM from getting lynched. I want to see Sentinel posting more when he returns.

On May 04 2012 10:14 PaqMan wrote:


And how does that clear Risen of being scum.

On May 04 2012 11:01 PaqMan wrote:
@Sentinel why do you believe Risen is town? Why did you retract your opinion right after johnny made his objection to the lynch? If you really are telling the truth, why would you want to vote BM instead of the scum that's counter-claiming you?

I don't like how you make a post and disappear. You've been doing that since Day started and Mattchew counter-claimed.

sent is fake claiming, he can fake claim he jailed another person and then have scum hold kp. also forgot that he can have his goon (which could very well be him) kill and him say he jailed someone other than BM.

On May 05 2012 00:35 ghost_403 wrote:
Johnnywup, stop playing stupid. If we can't get all of our votes onto the right candidate this lynch, mafia are just going to voteswitch at the last moment, mislynch a townie, and end the game. This lynch has to be Sent v Mattchew. Earlier, I was wrong for pushing Risen this lynch (even though I still think he's scum), and you're wrong for pushing me now. Now, start working with the town to make sure we do this lynch right.

If/when we lynch scum tonight, I would be more than happy to discuss lynching me. Right now, we have better things to do.

I'm still trying to figure out which one of them is town. I've found both a town and scum game from Sent, but only town for Mattchew. Can anyone point me to one where he rolled scum?

On May 05 2012 04:35 ghost_403 wrote:
@sent: If we lynch him, and he was a vig, you can't be the jailkeeper, meaning we lose the game. You do realize that, right?

On May 05 2012 04:50 Mattchew wrote:
i am around for the next 2 hours. Then I will be playing basketball.

I will try to get home before the deadline, but I can't make any promises. Any questions you want me to answer, now would be the time

On May 05 2012 05:00 ghost_403 wrote:
:|

There are only three blue roles in the game. VE flipped JK, Mementoss flipped tracker. That means that either you or Mattchew are the final blue.

On May 05 2012 05:30 ghost_403 wrote:
I think Mattchew is scum.

I can't see Sentinel fake claiming JK from Day 1 if he was scum for this exact situation. His breadcrumb is the same in this game as it was in NMM I. He played medic in that game.

Unfortunately, I still think his plan is poorly thought out. Scum could have easily held their KP last night. Bill Murray has played an insane game thus far, which is unfortunately par for the course for him, meaning I'm not convinced he's confirmed scum. If Sentinel really is right, we should be lynching Mattchew today.

On May 05 2012 05:39 Mattchew wrote:
You realize how easy it is to breadcrumb, and then use it to counterclaim or not use it at all?

this game has a shade of similarity to im a cop you idiot, because the set number of blues makes a scum counterclaim seemingly inevitable

On May 05 2012 05:55 johnnywup wrote:
sentinel do you realize it doesnt matter what he flips? there is no tomorrow. if he flips vig and we don't lose he's scum, if he flips scum and we lose then hes vig. it doesnt matter what he flips anymore. it's not wifom at this point post death: its endgame

On May 05 2012 06:10 PaqMan wrote:


I'm a moron, but you're a liar.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=110#2181

Sent lied about being "too busy" to send in a order.