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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:25 layabout wrote: You guys really need to read the OP. What do you mean? The only thing I can think of this meaning is mt assuming we have vigis. Even then, he doesn't explicitly state we have vigis, he just directs them if we do | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I find it funny that paqman decides to attack me for lurking when I posted that I was going to sleep. Then votes me because I made a case against him? That makes sense, vote the guy thats actively looking for scum then accuse him of shit he isn't doing! also gonzaw this is noted Why is paqman's only behaviour and mine suspicious? Do you find me to actually be more suspicious than paqman? layabout what exactly about the marvel case do you like? also; Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues, as I have said a lot in coaching, they are a nice to have not a need to have. What a town needs to have is scum hunting and clear townies, this will support our blues more than any amount of direction. I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will. His entire plan, I feel, revolves around vigs getting their shots right, which will be hard enough in this game. I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too). I would also be willing to lynch anyone else on that lynch that doesn't come out to play | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. I hate lurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UoMR0.gif) You... you don't really "get" what lurking is, right? You are aware that Marvel isn't ACTUALLY here, right? See there's a difference between making a post like this: On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice And a post like this: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand And the difference is, the posts Marvellosity makes aren't posts. They're squawks. There's no meaning to any of them. Marv isn't "Here". He isn't "Contributing". He's trying pretty hard to LOOK like it without actually doing SHIT. Read his actual filter dude. It's like 4 posts, all of which are 0-content and ask dumb questions or questions that somehow hurt town. Marv deserves everything I've given him and more. -Blazinghand | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I think marvel looks bad because he was around in the first couple of hours of the game, he was willing to make comments in the thread but he was unwilling to share an opinion. Every player should have an opinion about what is best, and the only players who would fear to share them are mafia, since telling and possibly helping town to do what you think is best for town is not in your best interests. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:44 layabout wrote: Risen why are you telling us to kill all of the lurkers when we are about 17 or so hours into the game, and when you yourself have only just started to post? cause he's trying to bail out his scumbuddy -Blazinghand | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:44 layabout wrote: Risen why are you telling us to kill all of the lurkers when we are about 17 or so hours into the game, and when you yourself have only just started to post? cause he's trying to bail out his scumbuddy -Blazinghand | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:33 Risen wrote: What do you mean? The only thing I can think of this meaning is mt assuming we have vigis. Even then, he doesn't explicitly state we have vigis, he just directs them if we do whats with all of the "mt" 's? . By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. The OP says that goon shoot's before vig. If the mafia shoot the vig before the vig shoots then the vig will not be able to shoot a townie so only the big would die. If the other hit went through then we would have 2 dead players not 3. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:13 gonzaw wrote: To Janaan: I like it that you are trying to bring new ideas to the table (so I guess this is not a "very bad 1st post" from yours  )Okay, answer me these questions then: 1)What happens if we lynch a GF (someone flips GF) on D1 then? (in your plan vigs claim in N1) 2)If all vigs shoot "lurkers" on N1, what happens if there are 3 vigs and the 3 lurkers are town? What happens if there is a KP unaccounted for? What happens if town wanted someone else dead, and some people actually thought a targeted lurker was town or had better candidates in mind? 3)Why would you want to protect vigs? They are Millers who flip GF upon death and can't actually shoot GFs. Why would you NOT want scum to shoot them on N1? How are they a "valuable asset" in this case? 4)Who decides who shoots who? Remember this from the OP: 2 or more vigs can shoot the same guy, which leads me to the next point: 5)What happens if a scum claims vig "after" someone else claimed vig and he claims he targeted a "lurker" that another vig targeted? Would you believe they are 2 vigs that were lucky enough to target the same player, or that one is a vig and the other one a scum that just chose to "hide" behind the other vig so he didn't have to waste the Goon's KP? Final question: What do you think about VE, his "case" and my case against him? And what about other players that have been the focus of attention lately? I'll only briefly answer these questions in the spoiler, because I think at this point, we're past the vig discussion. No plan will work unless everyone agrees to it, and the discussion so far leads me to believe that it isn't going to happen. At this point, any vigs we have will do what they want to, and we'll have to use our best judgement when things start happening. + Show Spoiler + 1. I don't know, actually. I suppose it could be better for vigs to claim on day 1 if this plan was followed, that's a possible revision that could have been made. The only issue with that, though, is that even if someone claimed vig, if they were looking scummy enough to be lynched before, I don't know that a claim would be enough to stop the lynch, since it could have just been a scum trying to not get lynched by claiming. I'm honestly not sure which would be a better option. 2. I was assuming that the vigs would claim their targets, not just their roles. So as town, we'd know ahead of time if a vig thought there was a "better target" and we could either try to suggest someone else if we disagreed or let it go if we agree. As far as the other part of your question, what if the lurkers are all town, that would be bad I agree. But I'd rather the vigs be completely open about what they're doing, make it harder for fake-claims, and be down a couple lurking townies than have mass confusion because of a vig/GF flip. I'm weighing the cost/benefits, and this is the best option I could come up with, even though I don't like it. I could be overestimating the confusion that could occur I guess, but we'll have to wait and see about that. 3. The "valuable asset" that I was specifically speaking about was their vig shot. In your plan, it seemed like you were suggesting a mass claim on day 1, then the vigs just sit around waiting for a good shot to take. The problem I had was that scum could pick them off before anything constructive could get done with the shot. This way, at least we can have vigs make it harder for scum to hide through lurking and scum don't have a chance to do anything about it. 4. Again, I was assuming that vigs would claim targets. Having two target the same lurker wouldn't happen, because the second vig would see that there was already someone claiming that target. 5. Same answer, really. The only excuse for a claimed target not dying *should* be that the target was a GF. That's the only option in my mind. I'll need to re-read the 2 cases again to be sure, but if I remember right, I don't really agree with the conclusions on either of them. At this point, I don't think I'm willing to go with a VE or Gonzaw D1 lynch. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. Why are you so aggressive? I died in GoT mafia not only because of you but because players directed people towards the lurkers. That mislynch was the beginning of the end and it was all because people jumped on lurkers early on and got it into their heads that those players were scummy before they were posting. You seemed to understand the dangers of focusing on lurkers then + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 04:35 Risen wrote: I'm going to say we need to wait a bit more before calling people lurkers. I woke up, posted a bit and then went to class. Some people have jobs and shiz where they wouldn't be able to respond until later today (like 6-8 hours) But now you are defending marvel on the basis that he posted a bit at the start, he was in the thread actively lurking and he deserves our attention. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. I hate lurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless If we can't kill anybody that posts even a little bit then we are are left to kill lurkers. You are directing us to kill lurkers which at the moment is plain silly because it's a good half of the playerbase. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. In this game "don't kill anyone active" is equivalent to "kill no one or kill someone inactive" So you are directing us to kill inactives. You can take you vote off me now. And apologise for swearing. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 22 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: Why are you so aggressive? I died in GoT mafia not only because of you but because players directed people towards the lurkers. That mislynch was the beginning of the end and it was all because people jumped on lurkers early on and got it into their heads that those players were scummy before they were posting. You seemed to understand the dangers of focusing on lurkers then + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 04:35 Risen wrote: I'm going to say we need to wait a bit more before calling people lurkers. I woke up, posted a bit and then went to class. Some people have jobs and shiz where they wouldn't be able to respond until later today (like 6-8 hours) But now you are defending marvel on the basis that he posted a bit at the start, he was in the thread actively lurking and he deserves our attention. If we can't kill anybody that posts even a little bit then we are are left to kill lurkers. You are directing us to kill lurkers which at the moment is plain silly because it's a good half of the playerbase. What the hell don't you get. I'm not advocating lynching any lurkers right NOW. I'm saying lynch them LATER. You can't be lurking right now bc the game just started. No one is this stupid. My vote is staying on you. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
can you at least make an effort to understand what i am saying rather than throwing away you vote. | ||
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