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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. I'm voting for mattchew. Dude's scummy as hell. Also, On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote: We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in That's his only post since the game has started. He'd be a good vigi shot as well. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: /confirm Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch. What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum? What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me?? You're bringing up old discussion. Whoever the vig's are, they're going to decide for themselves whether or not to claim regardless of what we say. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Because people are giving opinions there will inevitably be people who give opinions that other already have. Paqman was the 2nd to say that vigilantes should not claim + Show Spoiler + (after VE, johnny also seems to support the idea but didn't take this stance Sentinel doesn't count because he didn't read the OP and his opinion cannot have had much grounding). + Show Spoiler + Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Paqman's comment is reasonable. VE's vote is dependent on a particular interpretation of the use of the word "our". Nobody should be convinced by it!Not being convinced is reasonable. Wanting to see how a player reacts to an accusation before judging them is reasonable I am wondering how mattchew ended up "feeling" like this comment in any way indicated that Paqman had more information than him. + Show Spoiler + just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going + Show Spoiler + I would argue that not reading a post but responding to it anyway shows that you are not being careful about what you post. It shows a lack of fear from somebody with nothing to hide. Scum are the ones that pay careful attention to the game mechanics. Put simply, not reading the thread but posting whatever the fuck you want is a town trait. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 21 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote: what about roleblockers laya? Okay, a question regarding laya's plans.. Where's the discussion on it? Do you think he's right, wrong, crazy? You just asked him a question but you don't follow up on it. You don't voice your opinion on the discussion or anything. You chip in a quick question and disappear.. You're actively lurking, making it look like your participating in discussion, but keeping away from attention and avoiding choosing a side and stating an opinion. On April 21 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote: Yo anyone else reading paqman's posts... cause you guys should... scummy as fuck Scummy as fuck how? + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote: To elaborate This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on) apology post and leave to get away from being wrong. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion 1 & 2) there's nothing much I can say about that first post other than the fact that I was watching Tony kill his ex boss. I tried multitasking but I couldn't keep up with the thread while watching TV. Don't believe me? Well there's nothing else I can say. It was pretty apparent how little attention I was giving the thread during the first few hours. 3) I don't see how I had a flimsy opinion. I clearly stated that I didn't think Gonzaw made a scumslip, and I wanted to see his explanation for saying "our". 4) I'm not sure what you meant by this? I was making my stance on the subject at hand. Besides the FoS that I quoted above Mattchew hasn't contributed jack to the thread. He's the scummiest so far and unless he starts improving then my vote stays on him. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 21 2012 23:32 layabout wrote: The Paqman case is forced as all hells. + Show Spoiler + I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Because people are giving opinions there will inevitably be people who give opinions that other already have. Paqman was the 2nd to say that vigilantes should not claim + Show Spoiler + (after VE, johnny also seems to support the idea but didn't take this stance Sentinel doesn't count because he didn't read the OP and his opinion cannot have had much grounding). + Show Spoiler + Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Paqman's comment is reasonable. VE's vote is dependent on a particular interpretation of the use of the word "our". Nobody should be convinced by it!Not being convinced is reasonable. Wanting to see how a player reacts to an accusation before judging them is reasonable I am wondering how mattchew ended up "feeling" like this comment in any way indicated that Paqman had more information than him. + Show Spoiler + just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going + Show Spoiler + I would argue that not reading a post but responding to it anyway shows that you are not being careful about what you post. It shows a lack of fear from somebody with nothing to hide. Scum are the ones that pay careful attention to the game mechanics. Put simply, not reading the thread but posting whatever the fuck you want is a town trait. So what do you think about Mattchew? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Mattchew often posts with lots of one-line fluff as town Game of thrones mafia ##Vote marvellosity get posting or die check out the + Show Spoiler [case] + | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I think he is attached to the idea that you are scum and is not looking at your posts objectively. I think his case is poor but there isn't exactly a lot to go on and i think it was genuine. I think he is trying to push his read because he resolved to it previously here: On April 05 2012 12:00 Mattchew wrote: At any rate he appears to be trying to find scum and is a bad lynch target day1.my only 2 reads on day 1 were right. I am just a pussy and didn't push them TT... How the fuck did xatalos survive | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?" He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Let's do it like this - everyone just do whatever the fuck they want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. If it's not beneficial in some way to town, then lynch them. If there's one thing I know, it's that voting/lynching/etc. plans always benefit mafia because they can pull them to their advantage (and also you get lynched when your plan especially sucks). Keeping in mind with this train of thought, I will proceed to do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. When I get back, I'll read filters and try and put more on the table. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Gonzaw: At first glance I think his plan looked pretty good. But after thinking about it, it seems fishy to put our blues in the open. It also tells scum whether or not we have tracker and jailkeeper if 2 vigs claim. Giving them more information then they need and giving them less fear about the possibility of them. Also it takes away the best case of the miller mechanic. Being killed at night, by mistake. I think my plan is superior. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#279) I think the "scum" slip is honestly VE reading it wrong. I think its just him meaning "us" as in the town. It felt like he genuinely wanted the town to use it. Also, I'm not saying ignore scum slips, but in more cases then not these slips are made by town. It can be used as supportive evidence but not as the main case on a lynch imo. I think a lot of VE's case against his plan is ignorant and uses JK mechanic but it was addressed by gonzaw. But, I think the case was in good mind trying to bring the discussion from mechanics, to scum hunting and pressuring. Also I know this gonzaws town meta from LI but he is spamming a bit again, sorta like HEY EVERYONE ALL ATTENTION ME sorta deal. This is consistent with his town play though. But stop spamming while your around you don't have to reply to every post and ask everyone to post about you, etc. Overall: Null leaning town VisceraEyes: The case against him by Gonzaw was purely OMGUS. It used an example of a scum slip as him being town for a defense, it didn't put anything against VE. It also says he doesn't explain why the plan is bad, even though VE went into excrutiating detail with why he wasn't on board. I think it's good that VE has came out to take discussion away from all this blue and mechanics into the scum hunting mode, even though his case is based on something that seems not lynch worthy. Then pushing it in an odd way, with one liners. Gonzaw makes the case all about him by saying basically you think my plan is bad and discrediting it, and I scumslipped while I was town. Overall: Null leaning town. Mattchew: Here is the whole OMGUS case against him: On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote: BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on. I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. I'm voting for mattchew. Dude's scummy as hell. Also, That's his only post since the game has started. He'd be a good vigi shot as well. ##Vote: Mattchew What is this I don't even. He contributed more than most people, that didn't even post or just posted agreeing statments. Like VE I think this was meant to be pressure towards you on fishy behaviour. Your OMGUS case also makes you seem more scummy as well as someone jumping right to your defense. Overall: Leaning Town Paqman: I don't think the case that Matthchew put against you was amazing, but it definitly pointed out some inconsistencies and wishy washyness, and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw. It also showed your OMGUS reaction. Overall: Null leaning scum Marveoulosity: I agree completely with the BJ case against you. Your posting, while not contributing. Asking questions towards people, just to get responses, to make it look like your contributing to discussion. While never posting your own unique thoughts. Based on your other games, this seems very unlike you, as you rarely post these types of one liners, and usually are a contributer. BJ says it best, your lurking in plain site. Overall: Looking pretty scummy ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven* we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote: How are you feeling VE? Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven* we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to Shit, should've stayed AFK. I wanted a pun too  | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Sorry it isn't much of a pun. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote: How are you feeling VE? Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven* we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
also gonzaw this is noted We were discussing Paqman's behaviour, and Matt's suspicious behaviour too (for instance). Why is paqman's only behaviour and mine suspicious? Do you find me to actually be more suspicious than paqman? layabout what exactly about the marvel case do you like? also; On April 21 2012 23:32 layabout wrote: The Paqman case is forced as all hells. + Show Spoiler + I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Because people are giving opinions there will inevitably be people who give opinions that other already have. Paqman was the 2nd to say that vigilantes should not claim + Show Spoiler + (after VE, johnny also seems to support the idea but didn't take this stance Sentinel doesn't count because he didn't read the OP and his opinion cannot have had much grounding). I was saying that he did this after he had tried to post a middle of the road opinion. Then 2 or 3 others came in shooting down gonzaw's plan and he all of a sudden becomes much firmer in his stance (its like a bandwagon opinion instead of a bandwagon vote) + Show Spoiler + Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Paqman's comment is reasonable. VE's vote is dependent on a particular interpretation of the use of the word "our". Nobody should be convinced by it!Not being convinced is reasonable. Wanting to see how a player reacts to an accusation before judging them is reasonable I am wondering how mattchew ended up "feeling" like this comment in any way indicated that Paqman had more information than him. I got that feeling because its context can be read that he is basically telling VE that he is wrong, but doesn't want blantantly tell him that. Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues, as I have said a lot in coaching, they are a nice to have not a need to have. What a town needs to have is scum hunting and clear townies, this will support our blues more than any amount of direction. I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will. His entire plan, I feel, revolves around vigs getting their shots right, which will be hard enough in this game. I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too). I would also be willing to lynch anyone else on that lynch that doesn't come out to play | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I find it funny that paqman decides to attack me for lurking when I posted that I was going to sleep. Then votes me because I made a case against him? That makes sense, vote the guy thats actively looking for scum then accuse him of shit he isn't doing! also gonzaw this is noted Why is paqman's only behaviour and mine suspicious? Do you find me to actually be more suspicious than paqman? layabout what exactly about the marvel case do you like? also; Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues, as I have said a lot in coaching, they are a nice to have not a need to have. What a town needs to have is scum hunting and clear townies, this will support our blues more than any amount of direction. I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will. His entire plan, I feel, revolves around vigs getting their shots right, which will be hard enough in this game. I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too). I would also be willing to lynch anyone else on that lynch that doesn't come out to play | ||
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