I'm a cop you idiot mafia

Well, common sense seems to point to bluelightz as the last scum, but he's almost too scummy. He folded under a small amount of pressure from bugs, and his reads have been flopping around like landed fish all game.

Lets start first with Dirkzor though, whom I think is town.

Dirkzor

If Dirkzor is scum, he has played a very strong game indeed. However, I think him strongly town. His breakdown analysis of Tunkeg vs BH was quite good. Not because it came to any definite conclusions, but because it pointed out all the little niggly stuff that should have been pointed out. Making a case as a mafia is quite difficult, and often you miss things that a townie would see. Dirkzor hits most of the important points, and comes to a solid conclusion:

To conclude something. Both have done things that I find scummy or "weird-if-town". The biggest point for me is that Tunkeg stayed up. Radfield naiiled when he said that scum is always looking for a reason to NOT be active. Sleeping is the best and most valid reason. I went to bed and I live in the same timezone as Tunkeg. Why wouldn't he do it? Because he know the game revolved around the cop and he was the cop so he HAD to stay up to make a difference.
A big scumtell on BH is how he, in his first post, was dead set on claiming. But didn't. Then when Radfield made logic work he claimed. Later he claimed his mindset was to "wait and discuss". His words and actions just didn't add up.

I would say that BH is the best guess of who is scum right now. But we have plenty of time tomorrow to figure it out. Don't be hasty with your votes btw. If 2 townies vote for wrong one scum can hammer and we loose. So first we agree and then we vote.

On the surface you could read that quote and think Dirkzor is being wishy washy, but he's not. He breaks down his thought process, and concludes that BH is the likely scum, but by no means definite. It's a good conclusion.

Dirkzors posting is generally very open and unafraid. He's pointing out the important bits when they come up, and I've shared many of the same conclusions as him about bugs, johnnywup and BL. He has also been putting in a fair amount of effort to his posting, and is obviously rereading and filtering.

Honestly, when I do get fooled hard by scum it's by the ones who put in lots of effort. However I don't think that's the case here.

Dirkzor is firmly town in my mind.

johnnywup

Johnny I am less sure of. However he has several points that lead me to believe he is town,but also several points that are scummy.

First is the Tunkeg vote, which is a strange one. I've seen townies jump on the exact same thing before, and generally not mafia. It's a very extreme thing to jump on someone because they changed one word, and mafia does not like to be extreme. The vote isn't something I would necessarily say is a move that generates johnny townie points, but neither does it send him in the direction of scummy.

On April 14 2012 18:12 johnnywup wrote:
Ikinda see your points, from both tunkeg and dirkzor. i'll read more into cop vs cop in the morning but asof right now they both look evenly scummy/towny, in myopinion. reading the argument from dirkzor, i agree its kinda weird how BH was like "Cop needs to claim NOW" even though he thought claiming cop was best and he was "cop". i dontthink a cop would post that, they would just claim right away. Onthe other hand, tunkegs resistance to claiming n0 even though its clearly the best move for town is also relatively scummy in my opinion. I can'tsay for certain who's lying at this point, will re-assess the situation when i wake up.

Now this is a wishy-washy paragraph. It basically just regurgitates dirkzors posts, but without the dirkzor conclusion that BH is the likely scum. However, the post doesn't really resonate with any kind of fear, and is certainly not well-crafted(like I would expect a mafia post to be). Additionally, this is 1 hour from the lynch, and an hour from it becoming obvious that BH is scum. I feel like scum would have used an opportunity like this to get a little extra cred by calling out BH, but maybe not since scum KNEW BH was getting lynched.

It's possible that if johnny is scum, this post was made simply to get it in before blazinghand flipped. It would certainly explain the low content and the lack of effort, since he knew the flip was coming shortly.

On April 15 2012 04:25 johnnywup wrote:

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BH obviously for having claimed cop, then the CCer dies, so he should obviously be scum, save idiocy for a town claiming cop.
I think you're the scumbuddy for your "confidence" in BH being the scum so early. Only scum should know that, so I think you're bussing.

The above quote is a strange one, but I see where he is coming from. My initial post detailing suspicion of BH was very early, and based almost entirely on a gut. If the mafia plan all along was to simply cc and shoot the cop, then it makes sense for mafia to be the first person to call out the false cop.

What makes this seem genuine is that at the time johnny is writing this, calling me out is not popular opinion(unlike bluelightz who later claims I am bussing). Scum like popular opinions, and this is not one. In fact, it puts him square in the spotlight of a potentially dangerous player.
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On April 15 2012 10:04 johnnywup wrote:

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Bugs "late condemnation" was fine, when he saw something scummy he went on it and I agree that what he pointed out made me suspect BH more. If it was me I wouldn't really condemn someone unless I thought he was scum, so maybe he was just late to the BH-is-scum party, and didn't see why BH was scum initially.

Actually, looking back at bluelightz he does look way more scummy than you. His responses are exclusively one-liners. And this is extremely contradictory ( the posts are also somewhat far apart so i may be completely wrong about them talking about the same thing but I think they both are talking about my early vote on tunkeg)

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emphasis mine. obviously contradictory

Dirkzors arguments seem genuine and make a ton of sense. Super logical. I'd say he's one of the most likely to be town.

from townliness 1 to 10:
Dirkzor 8
Radfield 5
Bluelightz 3
Wherebugsgo 6

His next post however he correctly calls out bluelightz for his contradiction. He also disagrees with me about WBG, instead of taking the easy stance and agreeing that bugs looked a bit scummy. Lastly he paints dirkzor as solid town, something mafia would be loathe to do in a game that will likely come down to a 50/50.

There are a few other things as well that stick out to me, but nothing particularly important or pressing. In general johnny seems like he is posting freely, and is unafraid to make his own opinions.

I think Johnny is probably Town

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PS: Johnny you're hanging '/b' that you missed threatened my entire post!

bluelightz

bluelightz I have an incredible time reading. His posts are basically just his blurbs of though from the exact moment he is typing. More than 2/3rds of his posts are 1-liners(including a zero-liner!), and the others are often just him repeating himself.

It's almost like he's trying to look scummy, as he hits ever major checklist item:

- Super wishy-washy with reads
- calls himself useless multiple times
- gives himself an excuse to still be alive(when he didn't need one)
- calls everyone town for weak reasons, and calls no one scum. Honestly he has no actual reasons for why anyone is scummy.

However, some of what he's written I just don't understand why mafia would write.

On April 14 2012 10:01 Bluelightz wrote:
I dont fucking have an idea on what to say but my logic says this

Tunkeg scum => Radfield Tunkeg scum team

BH scum => BH & ??? Scum team.

Then he backtracks like 5 minutes later when I ask him what ties me to Tunkeg. It's like he's just writing stream of consciousness.

I've glanced over a couple of his other games, one as scum and one as town, and honestly neither looks like this. The bluelightz in those games looks like a guy actually playing the game, whereas for the first few days of this game bluelights is out to lunch:

On April 14 2012 19:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay. The doctor selected BH I guess :| answer coming as I read pals filter

On April 14 2012 19:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Ignore BH he's scum

On April 14 2012 19:55 Bluelightz wrote:

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I think this is a bus but depending on if you live or not after n2 my opinion will change.

On April 14 2012 19:56 Bluelightz wrote:

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BH just claimed scum lets kill him?

On April 14 2012 20:01 Bluelightz wrote:

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Elimination and he's been active, and I don't think scum would lunge at me like that.

Some of this stuff is just ridiculous, and I kind of expect a mafia to be more careful in their posting. However, the list of scum-tells is just too long. In particular, and most damning, are his reads(and contradictions) and lack of reads:

On April 14 2012 19:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Presto I'm town. Last scum somewhere between jwup for voting tunkeg, or rad/you depending who dies tonight.

Jwup is scummy for voting tunkeg

On April 14 2012 19:58 Bluelightz wrote:

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Generally I think your town somehow also based on this and based of elimination it's jwup or radfield

Jwup is still scummy, along with radfield. Bugs is now town for some strange reason

On April 14 2012 20:29 Bluelightz wrote:
Wbg, Either you or radfield is scum, jwup is town because of the reasons in the next paragraph.

Jwup is town because in my mind scum won't go this far on a person or as far as voting said person.

Im open to change though

Jwup is now town for voting Tunkeg...

On April 14 2012 19:49 Bluelightz wrote:
My mind tells me that dirk being drunk is a sign of being town because i don't think scum would've kinda did that IMO, aside that he has been giving his opinion on stuff like BH\tunkeg thing

Dirkzor is town for being drunk and giving an opinion

On April 14 2012 20:20 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO dirk is town, he uses logic for his reasons on stuff, him being drunk lol,etc.

Dirkzor is still town, this time with an actual arguable reason

On April 16 2012 19:45 Bluelightz wrote:

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Im thinking that Its either Radfield/You, Leaning on Radfield but I think we should no-lynch today, it will make my mind much-much better with 1 more guy out of the equation.

On April 16 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:

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johnny is town because IMO scum wouldnt go that far on Tunkeg like johnny did

Its either you or Radfield because out of elimanation you and radfield are left out as the most not sure town reads, I'm still leaning on Radfield but depending on tonight's NK im maybe going to change.

Dirkzor is now one of the top scum candidates(for no reason), equal to radfield.

Johnny goes from scummy to most townie for the exact same reason(voting Tunkeg).
Dirkzor goes from likely town to equal scum candidate for no reason at all.
Radfield is scummy for a random reason. Mainly by process of elimination.
WBG is town for a really random reason.

Basically, no one is ever on the scum list by virtue of being scummy. People are on the scum list by virtue of not being seen as townies. That would even be fine and dandy if the list of townies wasn't constantly changing for random reasons. When I am scum, I find it very hard to call out townies as being scummy, because I KNOW they are not scum. Likewise everything they do seems like a townie tell, because I KNOW they are townies.

That certainly seems what is going on here. It's possible that bluelightz is just a poor townie, and for that reason I am continuing to keep my mind open. I refuse to lose because 1 townie played really bad. If we had more than one mislynch this game, killing bluelightz would be a no-brainer. If he's not scum, then it's the worst town play I've ever seen, which is actually possible, as something has to be the worst I've seen

The only real other reservations I have about bluelightz possibly being town is his exchange with BH after BH was revealed. It was weird for sure, and I don't know what to make of it. Again, I would not expect mafia to post like he did.

Anyways, bluelightz is probably the last scum, fortunately bugs agrees with his dying post. The only niggle is that johnnywup could potentially be the last scum, but I doubt it at this point.

bluelightz is very likely the last scum

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