Space Station Mafia - Page 26

On April 15 2012 03:13 Ace wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that 3 people within 5 minutes all decided to make a Mr.Zentor is Scum post. PM Land must be going wild right now.

On April 14 2012 23:24 Kurumi wrote:

Yeah, since this is a 30 man themed game scumteam will probably be 4-6 depending on 3rd party present. I actually think that such an ability would be pretty good (maybe jailing instead? makes sense)
I am worried because of huge amount of newbies and they might get easily convinced. It usually plays out that vets are from US (not many good/vets in EU).
We'll see. Just stay sharp.

On April 15 2012 03:13 Ace wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that 3 people within 5 minutes all decided to make a Mr.Zentor is Scum post. PM Land must be going wild right now.

On April 15 2012 03:00 strongandbig wrote:
So since I wrote my last post, I've looked again at Mr.Zentor's brief run for captain, and rather than being suspicious it now seems downright scummy to me.

If you look at the context of his posts, they go like this.

He started his joke campaign near the beginning of the thread, when a lot of other people were starting joke campaigns - people including GMarshal, EchelonTee, and RazorFlash. A pretty good way to make an impression as being active without actually saying anything of value.

However, now look at his first "serious" campaign post. A few things look scummy to me.

First, there's the commitment to lynch whoever the thread picks, unless he's sure that someone else is scum. Now as other people have pointed out, that's a good scum move - the odds of the thread picking scum on day 1 are relatively low, and if they did pick scum, Zentor would be able to pick someone else. Sure, he would have to rationalize that the next day, but if he made a good enough case on whoever he did pick, it would give the scum team a better shot than just having whichever team member the thread chose killed with the day 1 lynch.

Also, it's worth noting that Zentor is one of the only people who brought up this idea of doing a poll - it wasn't being demanded by the thread. At the time that he posted, there was a debate going on between Sandroba, myself, and earlier others including Ace and l10f about whether or not the Captain should pledge to reveal all the information that came with the role - but there wasn't a consensus or even a movement towards demanding that the captain be democratic with the lynch. What I and, I think, others were asking for was a Captain who would listen to the thread's cases and explain the reasoning behind his choice for the lynch - but not someone who would just bow to the people. While that could be a reasonable sentiment, it's also exactly the kind of Captaincy that scum would want to have - one that doesn't give them any responsibility.

Now, let me note one other thing. When Zentor posted his four-point "serious campaign" post, changing from a joke candidate to a serious one, the captaincy race was a one-man show. Sandroba had four votes and no one else had more than one. GMarshal's post where he posted his skype info and indicated that he was running for real was within ten minutes before Zentor put up his post, and GMarshal still didn't have any votes. My contention is that this would have looked like the last shot for a scum candidate to get into the race. There was a very good chance that the election would have just snowballed into a coronation for Sandroba, instead of a competitive race. The timing of Zentor's entry as a serious candidate makes me think that he was put forward by the scum team in an effort to keep the race competitive, when it looked like Sandroba was going to run away with it. (Now let me say here that I'm not convinced that Sandroba's autocratic method is best, or even that he's town; that's why I'm voting for GMarshal. However, it looks unlikely that Sandroba and Zentor are both town, and I think Zentor is way scummier.)

After that one post about being a serious candidate, there were some other posts about the campaign, but Zentor seems to have trailed off with his campaign when it didn't pick up any momentum. However, he hasn't done anything really pro-town since that time, as people above have pointed out. But I wanted to focus on his campaign specifically, since I don't think it's been brought up enough and it smells really scummy to me.

In conclusion: Mr.Zentor is scum.



PS: As usual, I don't know whether or not other people have posted using faster methods as I type this post. Just to establish context, as I started typing this the last post I see in the thread is by risk.nuke about running the noob mini and studying for exams. Sorry if I got ninja'd anything here isn't relevant anymore.

First, there's the commitment to lynch whoever the thread picks, unless he's sure that someone else is scum. Now as other people have pointed out, that's a good scum move - the odds of the thread picking scum on day 1 are relatively low, and if they did pick scum, Zentor would be able to pick someone else. Sure, he would have to rationalize that the next day, but if he made a good enough case on whoever he did pick, it would give the scum team a better shot than just having whichever team member the thread chose killed with the day 1 lynch.

Also, it's worth noting that Zentor is one of the only people who brought up this idea of doing a poll - it wasn't being demanded by the thread. At the time that he posted, there was a debate going on between Sandroba, myself, and earlier others including Ace and l10f about whether or not the Captain should pledge to reveal all the information that came with the role - but there wasn't a consensus or even a movement towards demanding that the captain be democratic with the lynch. What I and, I think, others were asking for was a Captain who would listen to the thread's cases and explain the reasoning behind his choice for the lynch - but not someone who would just bow to the people. While that could be a reasonable sentiment, it's also exactly the kind of Captaincy that scum would want to have - one that doesn't give them any responsibility.

Now, let me note one other thing. When Zentor posted his four-point "serious campaign" post, changing from a joke candidate to a serious one, the captaincy race was a one-man show. Sandroba had four votes and no one else had more than one. GMarshal's post where he posted his skype info and indicated that he was running for real was within ten minutes before Zentor put up his post, and GMarshal still didn't have any votes. My contention is that this would have looked like the last shot for a scum candidate to get into the race. There was a very good chance that the election would have just snowballed into a coronation for Sandroba, instead of a competitive race. The timing of Zentor's entry as a serious candidate makes me think that he was put forward by the scum team in an effort to keep the race competitive, when it looked like Sandroba was going to run away with it. (Now let me say here that I'm not convinced that Sandroba's autocratic method is best, or even that he's town; that's why I'm voting for GMarshal. However, it looks unlikely that Sandroba and Zentor are both town, and I think Zentor is way scummier.)

On April 15 2012 03:13 Ace wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that 3 people within 5 minutes all decided to make a Mr.Zentor is Scum post. PM Land must be going wild right now.

On April 15 2012 03:31 Ace wrote:
Anyway we shouldn't be lynching people that are actually active at the moment. Get rid of the people not participating so far. I don't know how everyone is getting such good scum reads in such a short amount of time, but let's not kill off the people that are posting so quickly.

On April 15 2012 03:33 Kurumi wrote:

This is a soft-defense of MrZentor. The thing is, it's a good idea for both Town and Scum to defend him. I don't see anything wrong with Zentor besides him losing some steam after GMarsh pressured him and his cryptic behaviour about chaoser.
I agree that people who are speaking are not as good targets as people borderline lurking.

On April 15 2012 03:35 chaoser wrote:


isn't this also a soft defense?

On April 15 2012 03:31 Ace wrote:
Anyway we shouldn't be lynching people that are actually active at the moment. Get rid of the people not participating so far. I don't know how everyone is getting such good scum reads in such a short amount of time, but let's not kill off the people that are posting so quickly.

On April 15 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote:

It is! I actually think that Zentor should not hang D1.