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On April 15 2012 02:54 GMarshal wrote:froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote:Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game: You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it  . Two things in this post 1.) Apologizing for something that needs no apology. This is a sign of a guilty conscience much like what gave up Misder in Ver's XXX analysis. I did this all the time as the mole in PYP:Interesting, and Radfeild caught me out on it, so I'm always attentively looking for this kind of unnecessary apology. 2.) His issue with me trusting sandroba. This is typical of scum trying to subvert trust. "Why would you trust him OMG!" is the typical scum response to fast, uncontrollable circles of trust forming, and is basically how they express frustration while trying to discredit them in the thread. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 18:16 froggynoddy wrote:
I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself.
Also we should vote for the person who least wants the captaincy, far more likely to be town imo.
##Vote Ace Again, we see him actively discrediting town reads, which are actually vitally important in PM games as well as an excellent tool for weeding out scum. Look at his posts, most are focused on discrediting sandroba, without once calling him scum, its basically "I don't see how people trust him" not "he could be scum guys". Subtley his wording gives away that he knows sandroba is town, and is both angry and clueless as to how others without privileged information have discovered the same thing.
I wasnt discrediting so much as wondering why people thought he was town. After talking to Sandroba and Chaoser via Skype, I feel like I understand more, but because I wasnt apart of the PM circle I simply didnt understand what was happening.
Regarding my apologising, I do that independent from alignment see this. I guess I hate lurkers and inactives as they tend to either waste town lynches if there town or just make it impossible to read if they're scum.
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On April 15 2012 03:38 Ace wrote:
@Kurumi: You're reading way too much into my post. I'm not defending anyone. If I was I'd make it very obvious.
@chaoser: No idea who that is.
he's the king of kings yo. gilgamesh. he calls everyone mongrels and is very dismissive of everyone cause he's obvs #1 /offtopic stop
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On April 15 2012 03:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:35 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 03:33 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:31 Ace wrote:
Anyway we shouldn't be lynching people that are actually active at the moment. Get rid of the people not participating so far. I don't know how everyone is getting such good scum reads in such a short amount of time, but let's not kill off the people that are posting so quickly. This is a soft-defense of MrZentor. The thing is, it's a good idea for both Town and Scum to defend him. I don't see anything wrong with Zentor besides him losing some steam after GMarsh pressured him and his cryptic behaviour about chaoser. I agree that people who are speaking are not as good targets as people borderline lurking. isn't this also a soft defense? It is! I actually think that Zentor should not hang D1. Why shouldn't he? who would you rather be hanged?
He nailed it himself
Anybody in Death Factory 2 should know how bad my scumplay is. Why would the scum choose me to run, especially considering there are ~6 of them? They should have at least one convincing Vet in there, whom everybody will blindly trust.
Besides nothing struck me so much from him to call him scum.
I'd rather see layabout hang. He's in this magical range of not-so-active and not-so-inactive. He plays similar to his scum meta and does not jump into scumhunting until easy targets show up. He's mostly overly aggressive as Town.
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As for froggynoddy case:
First point can also be used against layabout.
The second point can ALSO be used against him.
He sows distrust against GMarsh and tries to boost Sandroba.
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##Unvote Ace
HIs lack of pro-active town play means I no longer think he is viable captain candidate (not that he ever entered the campaign...). As he hasn't caused confusion I dont think he necessarilly seems scum though. I see him as neutral.
I would like to vote Acro as, though I am less wary of Sandroba than I was I'lm still not entirely confident. Are you running? If not I'd like to wait until candidates come out with cases, feels like that is the best way to place a vote at this stage.
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Let me show you Chaoser's posts.
He attacks michaelthe for voting me for captain. He seems to forget that these votes aren't for the lynch.
On April 13 2012 09:55 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 09:51 michaelthe wrote:
I vote we start with a self-imposed "Accelerated Start". Everyone goto random.org and roll 1-30. You must vote for that person. You can change your vote to some one else but cannot simply unvote.
I rolled 23.
##Vote: MrZentor WTF is the point of this? No pressure, no direction, no stance taken by anyone. Hi Mafia. See, that's how to start a game. ##vote: michaelthe
He admits his fail and leaves.
On April 13 2012 09:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 09:56 grush57 wrote:On April 13 2012 09:55 chaoser wrote:On April 13 2012 09:51 michaelthe wrote:
I vote we start with a self-imposed "Accelerated Start". Everyone goto random.org and roll 1-30. You must vote for that person. You can change your vote to some one else but cannot simply unvote.
I rolled 23.
##Vote: MrZentor WTF is the point of this? No pressure, no direction, no stance taken by anyone. Hi Mafia. See, that's how to start a game. ##vote: michaelthe This vote is for the captain.... goddamnit...ok, i'mma go finish watching the heat/bulls game and then come back lol
He writes four, small, useless posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2012 10:05 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 09:59 GMarshal wrote:
GMarshal's campaign: Vote for me because I actually hit scum day 1. Have you ever actually won mayor and then hit scum day one? On April 13 2012 10:13 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 10:09 MrZentor wrote:If I am elected, I will let the people decide who I kill via an unofficial poll! Here's my totally not copy pasted speech for Layabout's vote! + Show Spoiler +Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. can't even put in the effort to write up your own thing. not mayor material imo. ##vote sandroba for captain On April 13 2012 13:07 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 12:33 Ace wrote:
I see the peasants are at play while the King is off fighting wars If by off fighting wars you meant watching the heats/bulls game and going: Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:57 Ace wrote:
Floater going sideways away from the basket? o.0
This game is off the chain! Then yeah, I guess that's what happened On April 14 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote:
time to read
He then makes a ridiculous "case" riddled with stupidity and inaccuracies against me.
On April 15 2012 02:55 chaoser wrote:
Still for a sandroba captaincy. I've been fairly active in PMs so that's why I haven't been posting in thread a lot
I want a lynch on zentor. I'm too lazy to summarize it so I'mma just copy/paste my reasons from a Skype convo
gahhhh, waiting for drh to get back to me is annoying. I'mma post it and if i get modkilled so be it
[1:06:58 PM] Chaosers: i'm ok with a zentor lynch
[1:08:02 PM] : because he wants to lynch you?
[1:08:17 PM] Chaosers: i didn't even know he wanted to lynch me
[1:08:18 PM] Chaosers: lol
[1:08:20 PM] Chaosers: "GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet."
[1:08:24 PM] Chaosers: cause of that
[1:08:38 PM] Chaosers: and the fact that he tried to derail thread by talking about what happened in GoT
[1:09:08 PM] Chaosers: he's trying to get people to not trust sandroba
[1:09:12 PM] : ok. quite similar reasons to what i had for engaging him in conversation, lol
[1:09:15 PM] Chaosers: and running a "counter" campaign
[1:09:26 PM] Chaosers: based on being transparent
[1:09:36 PM] Chaosers: but then he says the exact same thing as sandro
[1:09:50 PM] Chaosers: but tries to sell it as if he's completely opposite him in stances
[1:10:12 PM] Chaosers: "i will follow town's vote for N1 lynch...unless I don't think they're right"
[1:12:39 PM] Chaosers: i'm on page 17
[1:12:51 PM] Chaosers: i think he's scummy and the best lynch for today
[1:12:56 PM] Chaosers: but even if he turns out to be not scum
[1:13:01 PM] Chaosers: it's still an ok lynch for me for night 1
[1:13:09 PM] Chaosers: cause he's being vry disruptive
[1:13:17 PM] Chaosers: and he's misrepresenting people
[1:18:14 PM] Chaosers: that's like the most scummy thing to do imo, misrepresneting people
Seriously, that's it.
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yawn zentor, it's not me who you should be appealing to but rather one of the few people that are running for captain. This is a PM game after all. Posts in thread do not signal a person's activity. Your posts though, do show that you have been acting very scummy.
On April 15 2012 03:42 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 03:37 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:35 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 03:33 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:31 Ace wrote:
Anyway we shouldn't be lynching people that are actually active at the moment. Get rid of the people not participating so far. I don't know how everyone is getting such good scum reads in such a short amount of time, but let's not kill off the people that are posting so quickly. This is a soft-defense of MrZentor. The thing is, it's a good idea for both Town and Scum to defend him. I don't see anything wrong with Zentor besides him losing some steam after GMarsh pressured him and his cryptic behaviour about chaoser. I agree that people who are speaking are not as good targets as people borderline lurking. isn't this also a soft defense? It is! I actually think that Zentor should not hang D1. Why shouldn't he? who would you rather be hanged? He nailed it himself Show nested quote +Anybody in Death Factory 2 should know how bad my scumplay is. Why would the scum choose me to run, especially considering there are ~6 of them? They should have at least one convincing Vet in there, whom everybody will blindly trust. Besides nothing struck me so much from him to call him scum. I'd rather see layabout hang. He's in this magical range of not-so-active and not-so-inactive. He plays similar to his scum meta and does not jump into scumhunting until easy targets show up. He's mostly overly aggressive as Town.
That's WIFOM though. Using bad play to excuse oneself? wtf...how does that make any sense? I'm playing too badly in this game to be scum is a ridiculous assertion. I hedged GoT game on that fact that people would overlook my team's bad play as "to bad to be mafia" and it worked. What do you think of his misrepresentation as well as his bullshit noncommittal stance on ET?
And now he's only coming back to defend himself against allegations in a way that he's trying to paint everyone against him as somehow scummy.
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On April 15 2012 04:08 chaoser wrote:yawn zentor, it's not me who you should be appealing to but rather one of the few people that are running for captain. This is a PM game after all. Posts in thread do not signal a person's activity. Your posts though, do show that you have been acting very scummy. Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 03:42 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:37 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:35 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 03:33 Kurumi wrote:On April 15 2012 03:31 Ace wrote:
Anyway we shouldn't be lynching people that are actually active at the moment. Get rid of the people not participating so far. I don't know how everyone is getting such good scum reads in such a short amount of time, but let's not kill off the people that are posting so quickly. This is a soft-defense of MrZentor. The thing is, it's a good idea for both Town and Scum to defend him. I don't see anything wrong with Zentor besides him losing some steam after GMarsh pressured him and his cryptic behaviour about chaoser. I agree that people who are speaking are not as good targets as people borderline lurking. isn't this also a soft defense? It is! I actually think that Zentor should not hang D1. Why shouldn't he? who would you rather be hanged? He nailed it himself Anybody in Death Factory 2 should know how bad my scumplay is. Why would the scum choose me to run, especially considering there are ~6 of them? They should have at least one convincing Vet in there, whom everybody will blindly trust. Besides nothing struck me so much from him to call him scum. I'd rather see layabout hang. He's in this magical range of not-so-active and not-so-inactive. He plays similar to his scum meta and does not jump into scumhunting until easy targets show up. He's mostly overly aggressive as Town. That's WIFOM though. Using bad play to excuse oneself? wtf...how does that make any sense? I'm playing too badly in this game to be scum is a ridiculous assertion. I hedged GoT game on that fact that people would overlook my team's bad play as "to bad to be mafia" and it worked. What do you think of his misrepresentation as well as his bullshit noncommittal stance on ET? And now he's only coming back to defend himself against allegations in a way that he's trying to paint everyone against him as somehow scummy.
1. How am I appealing you? I just posted how useless you've been this game.
2.Scum can easily say "oh, I didn't post at all the whole game, but I was sooo active in PMS". You need to prove you've been active, and a few lines of made up reasons that I'm scum doesn't cut it.
3. Honestly, I wasn't sure who was mafia at the time. Saying I'm scummy because I guessed wrong about who was scum in the early game is ridiculous.
4. The only person I've painted as scummy is you. You aren't everybody against me. Therefore I did not paint everybody against me as scummy.
DIDUCWUTIDIDTHAT
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I don't want to run anymore. WBG gave me some good reasons for not running. I am completely new to a PM game, so thought the thread was just a giant shithole at the time. Hence my decision to run. WBG and others have since clued me in that a crapton of stuff has been happening behind the scenes and while I have figured out how to play this game, I also have a town read on both Sandro and GM (slightly stronger on Sandro, but I understand people's point of being afraid to invest too much power in one person). I see no reason to confuse the vote any further at the moment.
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EBWOP: MY 1000th POST. Maybe I should celebrate by running for captain after all? 
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I don't even see why this needed to be in PMs...
Original Message From MrZentor:
What do you think of Acrofales?
What do you think of moi?
Are you scum?
acro is townie
you are scum
i am not
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United States22154 Posts
On April 15 2012 04:23 chaoser wrote:
also...where is GM...
On my phone, out and about. Can't exactly write huge posts.
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On April 15 2012 04:28 GMarshal wrote:On my phone, out and about. Can't exactly write huge posts.
skype date tonight kk??
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United States22154 Posts
On April 15 2012 04:30 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 04:28 GMarshal wrote:On April 15 2012 04:23 chaoser wrote:
also...where is GM... On my phone, out and about. Can't exactly write huge posts. skype date tonight kk??
Sure thing ^_^
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I really hope you guys are right about PM land being active, because this thread is DEAD. :/
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Next game where we elect a mayor day 1 Im going to suggest we not discuss the mayor vote and just play like a normal game. We spent the first 36 hours talking about useless crap, and only in the past 12 have people started pointing fingers. Again, I think the town sucks at hitting scum day 1, but its extremely valuable to look back at who died and see who pointed fingers/defended and when and why. I guess its good we have a bit of discussion now, but 48 hours of it would be better.
My one PM so far:
+ Show Spoiler +From: talismania [ 1193 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Any reads so far?
Date: 4/14/12 22:45
Hi was just wondering what reads or suspicions you might have so far
Have you been chatting or pming with anyone?
I guess people don't want my opinion.
OK. 0.
A lot of people have stated they have pro-town reads on Sandroba. I doubt scum would be dumb enough to mass support him like that. The question is, how intelligent do I think they town is in these reads of Sandroba as a townie. I KNOW the town sucks at finding scum, but that doesnt mean that doesnt correlated 1:1 to bad town reads. Meh, I dont want a wall of text, so Ill just say: TLDR, yall have played with him, I dont have much faith, but I hope the entire town isnt retarded with their read.
All the eggs are in your basket Sandroba.
##Vote: Sandroba
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ill never answer any questions about how other peoples roles or powers work and i will never answer questions about how the setup was made so dont pm them to me.
also note neither me nor kitaman27 will answer any question posted in the thread. if you have a question PM me instead. the thread is for playing the game and nothing else.
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