EPTI am not stopping him answering it. I don't believe DrH implemented a one question one answer policy. I will, however, check the OP.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I am not stopping him answering it. I don't believe DrH implemented a one question one answer policy. I will, however, check the OP. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:07 MrZentor wrote: Owned. You should still answer his question. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:09 MrZentor wrote: I actually think Chaoser is the most innocent person here. What leads you to that conclusion? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:02 marvellosity wrote: His total lurking, perhaps mixed in with the fact he's a vet, I imagine That applies to a number of players. cough risk nuke prplhz cough i mean sinani. ... no actually i mean Jackal. wait! no! thats it! [s]WBG[s/]Node! and Coag! | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17847 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:11 MrZentor wrote: I'll say my reasons when I want to convince you of it. Now would be a good time to convince me. Your behaviour in this game so far has been nothing but scummy. I would like to see you contribute something townie. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:04 Snarfs wrote: Couple of things: @froggynoddy: You're focusing on actions rather than motives: You don't like that GM is voting for sandroba because sandroba is GM's strongest town read? That doesn't make sense. Whether or not Doc answers you doesn't matter. GM never once said that he was voting for sandroba because of a mechanic that didn't permit him. He clearly said it was because sandroba was his biggest town read. Also, consider this: At this point, if either GM or sandroba were to switch their own vote to themselves, would that not be highly suspicious? As it is they cancel each other out which is what should happen in the first place. If one switches without the other, don't you think they'd be seen as padding their own vote totals? Everything you just said regarding GM I'd already considered, I was hoping to get a rection from him. But as I said in your quote, I don't bloody get this whole 'lets all claim to Sandroba day 1, he's gotta be town' read that everyone's got going. Plus, as you say, he didnt know that you couldnt vote for himself, therefore his best town read should be himself (I am simply repeating myself here). | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:19 Ace wrote: Snarfs, I don't have one yet. Fair enough, but if you do have one before the deadline approaches let us know. At least my own vote is still up in the air. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:16 MrZentor wrote: I'm going now. I don't get it. You come in here, and in 3 posts: 1) Claim we should discuss lynching chaoser 2) Claim that chaoser is who you think is most innocent 3) Leave You are causing confusion in town which needs to stop no matter which faction you are because it's anti-town play that is so obvious it draws tons of attention to yourself. You must be a 3rd party or something because it seems like you're playing for no-one's team. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:11 layabout wrote: That applies to a number of players. cough risk nuke prplhz cough i mean sinani. ... no actually i mean Jackal. wait! no! thats it! [s]WBG[s/]Node! and Coag! So yeah i'm running IX and having an exam in two days and I still think I've been one of the most active people in this game so I don't know what you're talking about. Feel free to pm me (Didn't I add you on skype) | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2012 14:16 Sinensis wrote: I would rather randomly elect a captain than trust the people around me with votes. We could use inca vs nestea results as the seed value in a random number generator? (possible seed values if we use a bo3 SC match are 03, 30, 13, 31, 23, 32) This is stupid and means no one has to commit to any reads as far as electing a captain goes, everything can be blamed on the rng, up to and including the very stupid lynch that will happen when an easily swayed player gets the captaincy. On April 14 2012 10:30 Ace wrote: GMarshal what are these plans you're talking about in PM land? Nothing that the thread needs to know about. Loose lips sink towns and all that. Nothing convoluted or involving everyone claiming to me. Many many traps for stupid scum. Nothing for you to worry about. On April 14 2012 08:30 Node wrote: GM, I'm curious about your stance on sandroba's rolefishing. I find it interesting that he's your strongest town read, but you would rather place yourself in the potentially protected role of captain when it seems he's ending up with a copious amount of delicate information -- which I assume you support, since it apparently isn't affecting your town read. My read isn't affected by sandrobas "rolefishing" no. Lets just say I understand why he is doing what he is doing, even if its not the style I like to play. Remember, setups like this are most easaly broken by a mass private claim to a almost certain, or confirmed townie. Of course you need to think that sandroba is an almost certain townie to follow his plan. People I'm thinking of lynching right now: Node: Node is sitting at that wonderful threshold of activity where he isn't quite a lurker, but isn't exactly a contributing member. This is exactly where scum like to sit. l10f- He's a writer! Death to all pens! Actually, he is more of a lurker, what bothers me is that his obligatory "chime in" post is a non-commital rehash of what Ace said. His suggestion that mafia would bus each other to get the capitancy is kind of stupid. froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game: You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it  .Two things in this post 1.) Apologizing for something that needs no apology. This is a sign of a guilty conscience much like what gave up Misder in Ver's XXX analysis. I did this all the time as the mole in PYP:Interesting, and Radfeild caught me out on it, so I'm always attentively looking for this kind of unnecessary apology. 2.) His issue with me trusting sandroba. This is typical of scum trying to subvert trust. "Why would you trust him OMG!" is the typical scum response to fast, uncontrollable circles of trust forming, and is basically how they express frustration while trying to discredit them in the thread. On April 14 2012 18:16 froggynoddy wrote: I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself. Also we should vote for the person who least wants the captaincy, far more likely to be town imo. ##Vote Ace Again, we see him actively discrediting town reads, which are actually vitally important in PM games as well as an excellent tool for weeding out scum. Look at his posts, most are focused on discrediting sandroba, without once calling him scum, its basically "I don't see how people trust him" not "he could be scum guys". Subtley his wording gives away that he knows sandroba is town, and is both angry and clueless as to how others without privileged information have discovered the same thing. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I want a lynch on zentor. I'm too lazy to summarize it so I'mma just copy/paste my reasons from a Skype convo gahhhh, waiting for drh to get back to me is annoying. I'mma post it and if i get modkilled so be it [1:06:58 PM] Chaosers: i'm ok with a zentor lynch [1:08:02 PM] : because he wants to lynch you? [1:08:17 PM] Chaosers: i didn't even know he wanted to lynch me [1:08:18 PM] Chaosers: lol [1:08:20 PM] Chaosers: "GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet." [1:08:24 PM] Chaosers: cause of that [1:08:38 PM] Chaosers: and the fact that he tried to derail thread by talking about what happened in GoT [1:09:08 PM] Chaosers: he's trying to get people to not trust sandroba [1:09:12 PM] : ok. quite similar reasons to what i had for engaging him in conversation, lol [1:09:15 PM] Chaosers: and running a "counter" campaign [1:09:26 PM] Chaosers: based on being transparent [1:09:36 PM] Chaosers: but then he says the exact same thing as sandro [1:09:50 PM] Chaosers: but tries to sell it as if he's completely opposite him in stances [1:10:12 PM] Chaosers: "i will follow town's vote for N1 lynch...unless I don't think they're right" [1:12:39 PM] Chaosers: i'm on page 17 [1:12:51 PM] Chaosers: i think he's scummy and the best lynch for today [1:12:56 PM] Chaosers: but even if he turns out to be not scum [1:13:01 PM] Chaosers: it's still an ok lynch for me for night 1 [1:13:09 PM] Chaosers: cause he's being vry disruptive [1:13:17 PM] Chaosers: and he's misrepresenting people [1:18:14 PM] Chaosers: that's like the most scummy thing to do imo, misrepresneting people | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
If you look at the context of his posts, they go like this. He started his joke campaign near the beginning of the thread, when a lot of other people were starting joke campaigns - people including GMarshal, EchelonTee, and RazorFlash. A pretty good way to make an impression as being active without actually saying anything of value. However, now look at his first "serious" campaign post. A few things look scummy to me. First, there's the commitment to lynch whoever the thread picks, unless he's sure that someone else is scum. Now as other people have pointed out, that's a good scum move - the odds of the thread picking scum on day 1 are relatively low, and if they did pick scum, Zentor would be able to pick someone else. Sure, he would have to rationalize that the next day, but if he made a good enough case on whoever he did pick, it would give the scum team a better shot than just having whichever team member the thread chose killed with the day 1 lynch. Also, it's worth noting that Zentor is one of the only people who brought up this idea of doing a poll - it wasn't being demanded by the thread. At the time that he posted, there was a debate going on between Sandroba, myself, and earlier others including Ace and l10f about whether or not the Captain should pledge to reveal all the information that came with the role - but there wasn't a consensus or even a movement towards demanding that the captain be democratic with the lynch. What I and, I think, others were asking for was a Captain who would listen to the thread's cases and explain the reasoning behind his choice for the lynch - but not someone who would just bow to the people. While that could be a reasonable sentiment, it's also exactly the kind of Captaincy that scum would want to have - one that doesn't give them any responsibility. Now, let me note one other thing. When Zentor posted his four-point "serious campaign" post, changing from a joke candidate to a serious one, the captaincy race was a one-man show. Sandroba had four votes and no one else had more than one. GMarshal's post where he posted his skype info and indicated that he was running for real was within ten minutes before Zentor put up his post, and GMarshal still didn't have any votes. My contention is that this would have looked like the last shot for a scum candidate to get into the race. There was a very good chance that the election would have just snowballed into a coronation for Sandroba, instead of a competitive race. The timing of Zentor's entry as a serious candidate makes me think that he was put forward by the scum team in an effort to keep the race competitive, when it looked like Sandroba was going to run away with it. (Now let me say here that I'm not convinced that Sandroba's autocratic method is best, or even that he's town; that's why I'm voting for GMarshal. However, it looks unlikely that Sandroba and Zentor are both town, and I think Zentor is way scummier.) After that one post about being a serious candidate, there were some other posts about the campaign, but Zentor seems to have trailed off with his campaign when it didn't pick up any momentum. However, he hasn't done anything really pro-town since that time, as people above have pointed out. But I wanted to focus on his campaign specifically, since I don't think it's been brought up enough and it smells really scummy to me. In conclusion: Mr.Zentor is scum. PS: As usual, I don't know whether or not other people have posted using faster methods as I type this post. Just to establish context, as I started typing this the last post I see in the thread is by risk.nuke about running the noob mini and studying for exams. Sorry if I got ninja'd anything here isn't relevant anymore. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:55 grush57 wrote: Mr Zentor is my scummiest read right now. He wanted to be captain, failed, wants to decide who to lynch, and is voting Ace because he wants Ace to vote Acrofales which is questioning him. Plus, he has to post a post saying that he is leaving, which there is no point to suggesting he is trying to be active seeming like a townie. Probably a puppet of a vet. I nominated somebody; how is that wanting to decide who to lynch? I voted Ace because I dislike the idea of Sandroba or GM being Captain. I <3 Ace and would kill anybody who lynched him. Saying that I was "leaving" was a way to say that I wasn't going to make a case on Chaos. On April 15 2012 02:55 chaoser wrote: Still for a sandroba captaincy. I've been fairly active in PMs so that's why I haven't been posting in thread a lot I want a lynch on zentor. I'm too lazy to summarize it so I'mma just copy/paste my reasons from a Skype convo gahhhh, waiting for drh to get back to me is annoying. I'mma post it and if i get modkilled so be it [1:06:58 PM] Chaosers: i'm ok with a zentor lynch [1:08:02 PM] : because he wants to lynch you? [1:08:17 PM] Chaosers: i didn't even know he wanted to lynch me [1:08:18 PM] Chaosers: lol [1:08:20 PM] Chaosers: "GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet." [1:08:24 PM] Chaosers: cause of that [1:08:38 PM] Chaosers: and the fact that he tried to derail thread by talking about what happened in GoT [1:09:08 PM] Chaosers: he's trying to get people to not trust sandroba [1:09:12 PM] : ok. quite similar reasons to what i had for engaging him in conversation, lol [1:09:15 PM] Chaosers: and running a "counter" campaign [1:09:26 PM] Chaosers: based on being transparent [1:09:36 PM] Chaosers: but then he says the exact same thing as sandro [1:09:50 PM] Chaosers: but tries to sell it as if he's completely opposite him in stances [1:10:12 PM] Chaosers: "i will follow town's vote for N1 lynch...unless I don't think they're right" [1:12:39 PM] Chaosers: i'm on page 17 [1:12:51 PM] Chaosers: i think he's scummy and the best lynch for today [1:12:56 PM] Chaosers: but even if he turns out to be not scum [1:13:01 PM] Chaosers: it's still an ok lynch for me for night 1 [1:13:09 PM] Chaosers: cause he's being vry disruptive [1:13:17 PM] Chaosers: and he's misrepresenting people [1:18:14 PM] Chaosers: that's like the most scummy thing to do imo, misrepresneting people Sandroba was the first to talk about what happened in GoT. Get your facts straight. Would you trust somebody who asks everybody to roleclaim to him? I think Sandroba is town, but he would be a terrible captain. What I was doing was completely different than Sandroba. I was saying that if I didn't listen to town and lynched a non scum, I should be lynched. He was going to completely disregard town, lynch a townie, and expect no consequences. In the bolded part, you already set it up so that it's a victory even though you know lynching will be killing a townsperson. It's okay if we lynch a townsperson every night, because they were being ""vry disruptive" and "misrepresneting people". I randomly picked your name for a nomination for lynch to generate discussion, but now you look really scummy. How was I misrepresenting people? Hypocrite. | ||
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