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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
You guys were being inactive, voting for people without reasons, and expecting that to be okay, because you guys were "vets". I don't regret shooting you. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:46 sandroba wrote: @coag and jackal I hear you guys have a pretty good read on each other normally. Could you guys be so kind to provide some insight into each other's alignment? My reads on Coag typically come in the form of an epiphany. An Aha! moment if you will. As of yet I haven't seen anything to create that moment. I have been afk for most of the day and will continue to be until I get home from work tonight. At that time I intend to have a conversation with him to try to figure out what he is. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:12 MrZentor wrote: A medic didn't protect you; a jailor jailed you. You guys were being inactive, voting for people without reasons, and expecting that to be okay, because you guys were "vets". I don't regret shooting you. Lets have a little hypothetical scenario. You have to shoot someone in the game right now. Who and why? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:12 MrZentor wrote: A medic didn't protect you; a jailor jailed you. You guys were being inactive, voting for people without reasons, and expecting that to be okay, because you guys were "vets". I don't regret shooting you. Not to argue pointless things but matchew jailed me to protect me. And you should regret it and learn from your mistakes. I don't give a fuck about being vet, I care about being right, as should you. And you should care about winning too. I really don't care about how people perceive me, I only do whatever I feel like it's going to help the most to win the current game. We can be nice to each other after the game is over. =) | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:18 Ace wrote: Hey people - stop roleclaiming to each other so fast. Ace, you aren't interested in being captian? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:20 sandroba wrote: Not to argue pointless things but matchew jailed me to protect me. And you should regret it and learn from your mistakes. I don't give a fuck about being vet, I care about being right, as should you. And you should care about winning too. I really don't care about how people perceive me, I only do whatever I feel like it's going to help the most to win the current game. We can be nice to each other after the game is over. =) The thing is that in that game, you DID care about being a vet and you abused it. GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
1.) We randomly assign someone as Captain. Better chances of a Townie getting picked this way. 2.) All serious candidates get put on a list. If you are notoriously bad as a player and are known for fucking up the Town DO NOT EVEN APPLY. Lazy scumhunters and spammers especially. Screw the confirming people by PM stuff @ sandroba. We don't know your alignment and what you're doing comes off as role fishing. Whatever happened in past games is not relevant for this one. That goes for all you. Let's hurry up and get this captain vote done today. Don't spam up the thread either because I'll be damned if you idiots crash us into Planet Mafia on Day 1. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:27 MrZentor wrote: The thing is that in that game, you DID care about being a vet and you abused it. GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet. Don't apply. Go find a seat in the back somewhere. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
First game playing in a long time :-) My thoughts: --Where I used to play (flashflashrevolution) PM and instant messaging was an integral part of the game. It quickly became policy there to have EVERYONE post ALL of their private conversations, with the exception of anything that would reveal town-damaging information. I propose we do the same here. If you talk to anyone, and nothing you talk about could endanger the town (ie, role claims, item claims, etc) then you should post every conversation you have. With high enough participation rate, this forces the scum to have to fake conversations with each other, which can lead to things sounding awkward and forced. Public sharing of these one-on-one conversations often becomes useful later in the game as well, as patterns emerge about who is talking to whom and who is NOT talking to whom. --This probably goes without saying, but one of the most useful things to do is to ask people who they are talking to, and who they have talked to. Then ask for copies of those conversations, if they don't contain sensitive information. Every now and then you get a scumslip this way when one scum says they are chatting with the other but the other claims to have never spoken to the one. Not very often but sometimes useful. --I have not been PMed yet by anyone. I don't know how sandroba is going around collecting info but I suppose it's not been player-wide. I suggest that he make it player-wide so that scum can't figure out who he's talked to, and therefore who he's gotten to claim already. --Captain policy: I suggest that whoever gets captain be sure to give enough warning to whomever is going to be lynched. If the player is town (as Ace pointed out, town is often lynched day one) that player should be given the opportunity to offload any items he has and/or roleclaim via pm or something in order to save himself if he thinks that's wise/necessary. --sandroba's actions are town to me. As acrofales (I think?) said, occam's razor would suggest that. He's sticking his neck out very far on day one, even going so far as to think up the anonymous roleclaim plan AND ask the host about it. I don't know his meta, but that kind of play seems unlikely to me to even occur to scum, plus it would be even dicier to try to pull it off (also have to consider how his scumteam would feel about him putting himself out there). If for some reason he's been doing this as scum, then I guess his plan is to play for a high-risk high-reward strat and have his scumteam bus him if it backfires. But again, less likely than town. --my skype is jason.e.pipkin . Feel free to chat. --question for the thread: how many scum do you think will end up running for captain? It depends of course on how many total people end up running, but I imagine any good scum team would only put out one, maybe two members, if any. How soon does everyone think a scum puts his hat in the running? Right off the bat? Do they wait awhile and see if the town is coalescing around someone first? I dunno what I would do as scum (would depend on meta I guess) but maybe the two strongest strategies are 1) putting up a scum candidate early or 2) not putting up a candidate at all (consider what GMarshal said - that if he had to pick a scum candidate day one he would probably pick one of the captain candidates). Thoughts? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:31 Ace wrote: I'm gonna be out for a couple of hours so to keep this thread moving here is what I propose: 1.) We randomly assign someone as Captain. Better chances of a Townie getting picked this way. 2.) All serious candidates get put on a list. If you are notoriously bad as a player and are known for fucking up the Town DO NOT EVEN APPLY. Lazy scumhunters and spammers especially. Screw the confirming people by PM stuff @ sandroba. We don't know your alignment and what you're doing comes off as role fishing. Whatever happened in past games is not relevant for this one. That goes for all you. Let's hurry up and get this captain vote done today. Don't spam up the thread either because I'll be damned if you idiots crash us into Planet Mafia on Day 1. 1. How do we verify that whoever does the randomizing actually makes it random? 2. Isn't choosing sandroba: a) Just as good because he's been randomly assigned to either scum or town and b) Better because we know that he is good as town and bad as scum and so far is about as active as we could expect a town sandroba to be? | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I like the idea of posting PMs to be able to track who is talking to who. Currently the only person who has PM'ed me is Acrofales- and it was to inquire as to why I thought Sandroba was suspicious. I responded that I didn't like his role fishing. As for candidates, lets try to get a list together and get some commitement out of people! | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:46 sandroba wrote: @coag and jackal I hear you guys have a pretty good read on each other normally. Could you guys be so kind to provide some insight into each other's alignment? Im not good at reading jackal at all. His meta = as town hes useless to town during the early game and plays more actively at end game... when hes scum hes more active early game and lurks end game. however he can usually tell if im scum or town with minimal effort. after 28 years he has become immune to my bullshit. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
There are votes there that don't make sense to me and have zero discussion behind them. Grush, why out of the blue are you voting for Froggynoddy? Is froggy even running? What made you change your mind from Gmarshal (if that was ever serious)? And why no post about it? Prp you voted but I don't think you've even posted yet - I didn't even know you were in this game haha. What's up? Kurumi, why Jackal? Placeholder or serious? In the spoiler below you'll find my notes on the game so far as I just read through the thread. Be warned that nothing in it is synthesized. + Show Spoiler + Day one observations: Zentor is not scum with wherebugsgo - WBG goes out of his way to point out in Zentor's post a non-scumslip (Page 8) possible weak tie as coag remarks on it as well - so maybe coag is not with either, but coag's post is joke-y marvellosity also makes a weak joke here - does he do that if zentor is scum with him? Captain nominations - EchelonTee as a joke to lynch Ace Sandroba intially with "I'll kill whoever I feel like and you guys can thank me later" GMarshal because he actually hits scum day one Zentor with the promise of killing whomever the thread votes for RayzorFlash with a cute speech Acrofales with the weird janitor reference and pictures. (withdraws later with comment about "PM" game) Maverick as well with the same platform as zentor Coagulation really late (page 16) grush votes in the thread for Gmarshal, saying "only an idiot would reveal that ... " I think he thought that GMarshal has a special power to hit scum on day one. is this indicative of thinking from a scum perspective? Chaoser later makes the correct interpretation of GM's post chaoser votes quickly for sandroba. Has likely been chatting to him as little has happened in the thread during this time GM then votes for sandro right after, also likely due to chatting, with a ^_^ face; Jackal points out the votes on sandro so perhaps jackal is not scum with any of sandroba, gmarshall, or chaoser. Or he's playing joke-y. Weak. Node gives an earnest first post, not much to read either way. Coag claims not to have been PM'd (Page 11) Zentor gives a small defense to Node, claiming others are rude. Does scum do that for a scumbuddy? Seems more likely that he would let it go if the two were scum together. VayeshMoru is playing the game in theme. Ugh. So hard to read when the player is already pretending. sinani comes in and seems clueless about the mayor votes. Post seems genuine to me. Errandorr's first post is literally "Hi" Does scum really do that? Seems unlikely. Oh he's not even in the game lol. RayzorFlash comes in with his captaincy bid and does it in character. blech. Maverick makes his weird but not that scummy to me "who I'm not going to vote for" post. Could be scummy if he was nervous and trying really hard to think of something to contribute. Or could be town for same reason. Strongandbig makes a post (his first) on page 11 that has the staccato "I'm commenting on everything" feel to it. Doesn't necessarily reveal alignment but something to remember for later. He has also clearly been reading the thread, as he references layabout's single post about voting for the best speech. So he's paying attention Snarfs cruises in and votes for sandroba. Has snarfs made any other posts this game? Must have been chatting with sandro |10f has a possibly awkward post. Ace meanwhile is pushing for random captaincy. I believe michaelthe also posted that. Acrofales throws his hat into the ring with his first post. Does he do that as scum? He played a fairly cautious scum game in DFM2 (Page 12) risknuke says "I like EchelonTee" suggests killing both Zentor and chaoser. says vote for ET or sandro Does risknuke outright say "I like ET" if he's scumbuddies with him? Less likely. Froggnoddy arrives with a composed post. Doesn't say much about him. He says sensible things. Acrofales actually semi-seriously suggests throwing ace out the airlock. Unlikely he and Ace are scumbuddies. Kurumi comes with some semi-serious pointed comments to acrofales. Not sure what to make of their exchange. Kurumi then says "yo acrofales sorry i need to get rid of layabout first" What the fuck does that mean? His tone in general is difficult to pin down. What does he know about layabout and acro? Why is he posting as such in public? Doesn't actually make those posts as scum though. Too out there? Kurumi has a little mini-beef with marvellosity. Seems genuine - either well-faked or the two aren't scumbuddies Kurumi is doing a lot of pressing questions - calls sandro scum and ace town. Risknuke questions this stuff, risk and kurumi maybe not together. Coagulation keeps making joke posts. impossible to read. Kurumi claims sandro approached him but he did not claim to sandro. Everyone talks about Ace like he's the tasselfoot of this group. Strongest player guaranteed to get killed. Strongandbig makes posts that I think are scummy but he's probably town because my gut is always wrong on this shit. Marvellosity was not contacted by Sandro, asks to be. GMarshal has overcome his tentativeness about playing with PMs and chat. Also renews his campaign for captain (page 14) Acro calls out layabout for not posting much, and asks him about froggy. Do these connections mean anything? Or is he just behaving randomly? Zentor reiterates his transparency campaign. He's tried three-ish times now for mayor. I don't think he does that as scum Acro asks marvellosity in a joke to claim to him. Not sure he would do that if they were scumbuddies. MrZentor is not scumbuddies with GMarshal based on GM's pressure on him and that they're both running. Acro thinks sandro and GM are town. Marvellosity quotes maverick's post and says that it doesn't make sense. weak disconnection between them there. ET asks GM who GM would lynch. weak disconnection Maverick is trying clumsily to make a good point: that while captain gets to decide, everyone should still voice their opinions Coag randomly also decides to run for captain saying the same stuff as everyone else. Says he wants the role "out of scum's hands" Does he think one of the other candidates is scum? - More likely just a throwaway phrase TBH Seems weird that people are always posting "I'm going out, be back later" Just leave and go live your lives. Why is zentor promising to have himself be lynched if he messes up as captain? I presume he thinks it would never come to that but still you should never promise to do something anti-town (ie waste a town kill if you are town) Gmarshal curious that Ace isn't interested in captain. An interesting observation. Acrofales PM'd Maverick about why maverick thought sandro was suspicious Snarfs argues with Ace about the viability of a random pick versus just picking sandro. are coagulation and jackal brothers or something? Prp has voted for sandro - I didn't even know he was playing haha. Has he even posted in the main thread? Grush came and voted for Froggynoddy of all people? Where did that come from? I didn't even notice froggy running. Grush did that without posting anything in the thread since when he last said he would vote for GMarshal. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Talismania, You might need a shovel. | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
 Theres been a lot of good discussion going on with regards to transparency or secrecy for the captain... I think that whoever gets elected captain will be the one who has to make that call, really. I agree with what people have said that the captain needs to be able to make an executive decision if he thinks that none of the candidates that town votes for are scum, and there is another target whom he thinks is likely to be scum. While I agree that the captain should call his lynch in order to give people a chance to defend/wrap up their matters, I can also see scum exploiting that with fakeclaims etc... As I said before, I wouldn't mind being captain if you all think I'm trustworthy enough, but I have a history of making bad reads (pushed for a ton of bad mislynches in my first game, had the completely wrong reads in Arkham City too) and in retrospect it would probably be better if I were not captain. The person I'll vote for captain needs to be someone who generally has good reads, is someone I have a reasonably good town read on, and is also willing to listen to peoples opinions and think/post rationally with little spam and clear sensible points. So far all the people who are running have satisfied only one or two of these criteria... Except, that is, for GMarshal... GMarshal, in order to gain my vote you have to answer the following questions: - Who would you vote for if you had the same criteria as me? - Why would you lynch VayeshMoru instead of any of the 10 other people who haven't really contributed anything yet?? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 14 2012 04:49 RayzorFlash wrote: As I said before, I wouldn't mind being captain if you all think I'm trustworthy enough, but I have a history of making bad reads (pushed for a ton of bad mislynches in my first game, had the completely wrong reads in Arkham City too) and in retrospect it would probably be better if I were not captain. You need to work on your campaign speech, my friend | ||
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