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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
April 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#301
got classes all day, following thread though. GMarshal who would you lynch? If you have an inkling after ~5-7 pgs
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
April 13 2012 15:16 GMT
#302
Scum hunting was the wrong word apparently... And I guess stances fit better... I don't see how giving one person that authority to kill anyone is better then allowing a group to decide... Especially since you'd be forcing everyone to give their stance... Instead of just focusing on one person.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#303
GM, I would say that the power is only useful if the scum doesn't know about it. I would then ask people to vote on if I should reveal it. I would follow the peoples' decision.

Acrofales, any read you have this early in the game is bound to be inaccurate, so it would be better to vote for the person who would be least damaging as scum, instead of how you are currently voting.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#304
On April 14 2012 00:16 Maverick32x wrote:
Scum hunting was the wrong word apparently... And I guess stances fit better... I don't see how giving one person that authority to kill anyone is better then allowing a group to decide... Especially since you'd be forcing everyone to give their stance... Instead of just focusing on one person.


Well, it's like a Captain. He would listen to the views of his crewmates, but when push comes to shove, the Captain needs to make a call on his own authority, not what the crewmates clamour for.
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
April 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#305
On April 14 2012 00:14 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:11 Maverick32x wrote:
And one person who goes off their day 1 reads is better?

So if they Lynch a townie they can just shrug their shoulders?

A Democratic approach allows us to view everyone's scum hunting ability.. not just the captain..


Yes, yes it is, because we all still have to tell him who we would like to see lynched. If they lynch a townie, they have a ton of pressure on them, since they made a bad call, and we can dismantle their reasoning.

Everyone still has to scumhunt and try to present a case that the captian is going to see and say "fuck, he's right", but that way we don't have scum lynching an easy target who everyone agrees "is acting scummy" with no consequences.



Well... That is a good point. I guess that hinges on people's ability to give reads.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#306
You are all free to vote and tell me who you think is scum, but if in the end the majority decides to lynch someone I think is town, I'll still trust my read more than the collective sum of scum + clueless townies + a few people making sense. And you should too. I'm not perfect, but I'm damn reliable most of the time. You can check the recent game c9++ where I claimed mason day1 and decided the lynch out of the blue, the whole town sheeped me blindly and we got scum killed. I'm saying that statistically I can get more scum lynch day1 then if there is a vote influenced by scum and misconceptions.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#307
On April 13 2012 18:51 froggynoddy wrote:
Are we voting in this thread for mayor or in voting thread?


The voting thread please. Thanks!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#308


Ok in an effort to keep the role out of scums hands im gonna run for captian. I think that the best course of action will be we hold a democratic vote for day 1 lynch and after we get all the information about who wants to vote who day 1 I will choose to either lynch the voted candidate or LYNCH whoever I feel like is the scummiest regardless of votes. So you get the best of both worlds. Lots of info from votes and a captain that wont think twice to squash bullshit and make the RIGHT Call.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 13 2012 15:20 GMT
#309
that would be the best plan for captian regarldess if im elected or not btw.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18256 Posts
April 13 2012 15:21 GMT
#310
Heading out. Be back tonight.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 13 2012 15:23 GMT
#311
On April 14 2012 00:15 EchelonTee wrote:
got classes all day, following thread though. GMarshal who would you lynch? If you have an inkling after ~5-7 pgs

Right now?

VayeshMoru has done squat, and has only trolled, good lynch on the basis of taking out the trash.

Once the mayoral candidates have solidified, probably one of those, since scum are very likely to try to run, especially if they don't know what other bonuses the captain might get.


On April 14 2012 00:17 MrZentor wrote:
GM, I would say that the power is only useful if the scum doesn't know about it. I would then ask people to vote on if I should reveal it. I would follow the peoples' decision.

Acrofales, any read you have this early in the game is bound to be inaccurate, so it would be better to vote for the person who would be least damaging as scum, instead of how you are currently voting.


So, you aren't going to take responsibility for anything? I don't want you near the captains seat.

Also you are fear-mongering, by that argument, we would have to lynch Ace day 1 every game he plays in as he is terribly damaging as scum, much more than what he contributes as town! Its a stupid argument, so don't make it, this game isn't about "reducing damage" its about getting scum lynched, and your method currently sucks for getting scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 13 2012 15:29 GMT
#312
On April 14 2012 00:23 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:15 EchelonTee wrote:
got classes all day, following thread though. GMarshal who would you lynch? If you have an inkling after ~5-7 pgs

Right now?

VayeshMoru has done squat, and has only trolled, good lynch on the basis of taking out the trash.

Once the mayoral candidates have solidified, probably one of those, since scum are very likely to try to run, especially if they don't know what other bonuses the captain might get.


Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:17 MrZentor wrote:
GM, I would say that the power is only useful if the scum doesn't know about it. I would then ask people to vote on if I should reveal it. I would follow the peoples' decision.

Acrofales, any read you have this early in the game is bound to be inaccurate, so it would be better to vote for the person who would be least damaging as scum, instead of how you are currently voting.


So, you aren't going to take responsibility for anything? I don't want you near the captains seat.

Also you are fear-mongering, by that argument, we would have to lynch Ace day 1 every game he plays in as he is terribly damaging as scum, much more than what he contributes as town! Its a stupid argument, so don't make it, this game isn't about "reducing damage" its about getting scum lynched, and your method currently sucks for getting scum.


I will kill somebody besides who the people voted for if I am sure he is scum. I expect to be killed if I am wrong, so I will be very careful in disregarding the votes of the people.

If you read my post carefully, I say it would be a better method than what Acrofales is using. It's a pretty retarded method, so what does that say about what Acrofales is doing?

Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 13 2012 15:32 GMT
#313
That's exactly what I said in the post above yours. Of course townies should act like townies and say who they think is scum and why in a regular basis. It helps everyone get reads and is the standard. That doesn't mean that given the choice I'll lynch what the majority decides, if my read goes against it. That's actually the easiest shit ever for scum to do. Get rid of all responsibility that come with the role. As town what is expected of you is take advantage of this opportunity to get a lynch 0% influenced by scum and try to deliver a devastating blow to their team quite early. Day 1 lynches normally end up being townie because most of the people have no grasp on who is scum or not and scum team is free to influence the lynch if they ever need to or lay back when town is on the wrong track. If you take away that influence and let a townie who has good reads most of the time decide the lynch by himself, suddenly day 1 scum lynch becomes much more likely.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 13 2012 15:33 GMT
#314
That's in response to coag btw.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 13 2012 15:35 GMT
#315
On April 14 2012 00:29 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:23 GMarshal wrote:
On April 14 2012 00:15 EchelonTee wrote:
got classes all day, following thread though. GMarshal who would you lynch? If you have an inkling after ~5-7 pgs

Right now?

VayeshMoru has done squat, and has only trolled, good lynch on the basis of taking out the trash.

Once the mayoral candidates have solidified, probably one of those, since scum are very likely to try to run, especially if they don't know what other bonuses the captain might get.


On April 14 2012 00:17 MrZentor wrote:
GM, I would say that the power is only useful if the scum doesn't know about it. I would then ask people to vote on if I should reveal it. I would follow the peoples' decision.

Acrofales, any read you have this early in the game is bound to be inaccurate, so it would be better to vote for the person who would be least damaging as scum, instead of how you are currently voting.


So, you aren't going to take responsibility for anything? I don't want you near the captains seat.

Also you are fear-mongering, by that argument, we would have to lynch Ace day 1 every game he plays in as he is terribly damaging as scum, much more than what he contributes as town! Its a stupid argument, so don't make it, this game isn't about "reducing damage" its about getting scum lynched, and your method currently sucks for getting scum.


I will kill somebody besides who the people voted for if I am sure he is scum. I expect to be killed if I am wrong, so I will be very careful in disregarding the votes of the people.

If you read my post carefully, I say it would be a better method than what Acrofales is using. It's a pretty retarded method, so what does that say about what Acrofales is doing?


Voting for his strongest town-read to mayor isn't retarded, especially because like other mayor roles its to be expected that the captian will have some kind of protection from night kills. Also, elected scum are never going to lynch scum, so you need a pretty good certainty that the guy you elect is town.

Unless you are referring to something else?

Also, why are you backtracking now? You said you would be purely democratic, yet now you say "unless the circumstances are appropriate", are you changing your stance to try to get more votes or to appease me?
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 13 2012 15:46 GMT
#316
@coag and jackal
I hear you guys have a pretty good read on each other normally. Could you guys be so kind to provide some insight into each other's alignment?
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 13 2012 15:54 GMT
#317
In retrospect, I should have said that I will always either listen to the people or lynch somebody who I know is scum.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 13 2012 15:58 GMT
#318
@zentor Cool so you will either listen or not listen.
Man really, you vig'ed ME+SYLLO HYDRA NIGHT 1 on GoT. I was so townie that game medic protected me and scum shot + rb'ed me. Why the fuck are you even trying to run for mayor? No offense =P
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2012 16:04 GMT
#319
On April 13 2012 23:33 sandroba wrote:
@strongandbig Do you realise that anyone the "transparency" thing is 100% bullshit? You can't ever know if the person is telling the truth. If Mafia gets elected they will either tell you because it's irrelevant or lie to you if it's useful and you have no way of telling which. If town gets it, it's better if they don't share it with the whole thread if it somehow endangers their effectiveness. So in the end you have to vote for whoever you think is town and decent. Promises of transparency regarding the role don't mean shit.


Just gonna briefly reply between classes.

Yes, I realize that people can lie in a game of Mafia.

I think when people are forced to make more information public, it gives more opportunities to either catch them in a lie or hold them accountable when events don't match with their story.

Clearly we should all vote for someone we're pretty sure is town, and who we think is a good player. However, whether we vote for a "transparency" candidate or a "secrecy" candidate, there's a chance either way that we elect scum.

In my opinion, we should force whoever we elect to give us information which we can then analyze, and we should hold them accountable for their actions. It seems like as long as we realize that they could be lying, we don't lose anything by getting more information from them.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 13 2012 16:08 GMT
#320
Wow, you're already attacking another candidate.

I expect to be killed if I don't do one of the following
1) Do what the people say.
2) Kill a scum.

All you are going to do is mislynch a guy and expect people to be fine with that.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
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