I find it amusing that I asked Coag and You're the person to respond.
1st
People want to lynch Ace for no reason. (some say it's a joke-gone-real)
2nd
He actually says something related and helpful to the game.
3rd
Sandroba has gone the same way like he did in his scum games. Say skype publicly and try to mess in the pm land. He wanted me to claim to him because he somehow knows a mechanics present in the game giving him possibility to break it.
Bullshit.

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

April 13 2012 14:00 GMT

#267

EWODP:
in one of his
knows a mechanic

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

April 13 2012 14:13 GMT

#268

I was just tired of people shouting scum and town left and right without stating reasons. You're just the person I decided to stop it at.

I agree the ace lynch is dumb and almost everyone who's been joking about it got a minus for it in my notes.
I didn't like sandroba wanting people to claim to him then again this is something he does quite a bit. So it's not really that much of a tell and as for him wanting to talk in skapy. That will just make it easier to figure out his alignment.

Acrofales

Spain18320 Posts

April 13 2012 14:15 GMT

#269

My findings so far.

Either Sandroba is a mastermind scum who has duped several people including me into thinking he's town (in a very convincing manner). Or he's actually town. I like Ockham's razor on this one.
##vote Sandroba

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

April 13 2012 14:16 GMT

#270

sandroba rolefishing in PM land does look scummy as fuck. He needs to clarify why hes doing it.

I have no idea how you could make a call on ace this early with zero info on him. but if he doesnt end up killed by scum night1 or night2 hes likely scum.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

April 13 2012 14:18 GMT

#271

Hey. I propose we vote for the space janitor guy so he can clean all the shit off of the hermetically sealed durasteel floor panels.

But actually - lets try to get this thing back on track. (In case that has already happened, let me mention I'm typing this after coagulation proposed shooting all of page 13 out the airlock. I type on my iPhone so posting takes a while.)

First, I'm completely new to games with meta, but it seems like one of the richer parts of mafia analysis so I'd like to give it a try. Are there any veteran meta analyzers who wouldn't mind giving me a few pointers or advice on where to start? Either in the thread or in PMs?

Now, let me post my thoughts about the election, since that seems like the main focus of day 1 so far.

As I said above, it seems like having the captain agree to post any secret information they get with the role would be a good idea. The only game I've followed in real time with a day 1 election was Aperture Mafia, where Wheatley telling the town what power they got revealed the existence of the black market, which gave the town some really valuable information.

I'm not sure what kind of information there could be that would be beneficial to town to keep secret. If the pro-secrecy candidates have some examples of the kind of information or powers which they would keep secret and where that would help the town, then I think I could be persuaded to change my mind. However, the first thing I can think of is that keeping captaincy powers secret would give the captain leverage to push their reads by claiming to have hidden information, which would hep the town only if the captain's reads are correct.

So as for voting - So far the only candidates seem to be sandroba and acrofales. (and EchelonTee, but I think that was more of a joke since all he posted was "vote for me and I'll lynch _______" a few times.) I'm not comfortable yet with Sandroba's pro-secrecy stance, as I explained above, and I'm also not sure about voting for someone who says "I'll kill whoever I feel like and you can thank me later". I'm not saying I couldn't be persuaded otherwise, but for now I'm not comfortable voting for sandroba. As for acrofales, he actually seems to have withdrawn his candidacy. I guess if I had to vote right now, I would vote for neither of the candidates (sandroba and EchelonTee, if he's serious). I don't know of razor flash is actually running, but he'd probably have my vote at the moment on a combination of best speech and saying things I agree with.

And fuxk, now I'm 20 minutes late for class and I still haven't finished my oatmeal T_T

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

April 13 2012 14:18 GMT

#272

On April 13 2012 23:16 Coagulation wrote:
sandroba rolefishing in PM land does look scummy as fuck. He needs to clarify why hes doing it.

I have no idea how you could make a call on ace this early with zero info on him. but if he doesnt end up killed by scum night1 or night2 hes likely scum.

Or he stumbles upon a graveyard while visiting a bar.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

April 13 2012 14:25 GMT

#273

Point me to a game where I told people to claim to me where I was scum. I'm also not bullshitting, I CAN "confirm" some people as I have already.
Also I never put in this much effort as scum. Ever. I've been busy in pm land all night. Yeah, that's right, I'm townie as fuck.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

April 13 2012 14:28 GMT

#274

On April 13 2012 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Point me to a game where I told people to claim to me where I was scum. I'm also not bullshitting, I CAN "confirm" some people as I have already.
Also I never put in this much effort as scum. Ever. I've been busy in pm land all night. Yeah, that's right, I'm townie as fuck.

Now I just feel left-out. Would you like to confirm your townie-ness to me in PM land?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

April 13 2012 14:29 GMT

#275

I can't let sandroba just carry this game!

morris.john19 on skype.

Also, vote me for mayor, because I won't eject you from an airlock without a wall of text proving you are scum!

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

April 13 2012 14:33 GMT

#276

@strongandbig Do you realise that anyone the "transparency" thing is 100% bullshit? You can't ever know if the person is telling the truth. If Mafia gets elected they will either tell you because it's irrelevant or lie to you if it's useful and you have no way of telling which. If town gets it, it's better if they don't share it with the whole thread if it somehow endangers their effectiveness. So in the end you have to vote for whoever you think is town and decent. Promises of transparency regarding the role don't mean shit.

Acrofales

Spain18320 Posts

April 13 2012 14:37 GMT

#277

Scumhunting by PM sucks. Calling out random people here. Layabout, you're helluva silent. Not used to you being so quiet. What do you think of froggynoddy? Frogs tend to live in scummy ponds. Do you agree?

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

April 13 2012 14:37 GMT

#278

I was talking about posting Your skype and telling people to talk with You.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

April 13 2012 14:41 GMT

#279

I do that every pm game and I was scum in only one of them. The one I was scum I talked to only 2 people mostly and never tried to contact anyone else. If I pm'ed you of all people to try to figure out stuff that should tell you something.

Acrofales

Spain18320 Posts

April 13 2012 14:43 GMT

#280

Clarification of my previous post: this game by PM is working in exactly the opposite way I am used to playing. Rather than starting with everybody neutral and finding scum I am starting with everybody neutral and finding town. I'm glad that is a good thing for the mayoral vote, but it's not helping me one fig with the search for scum. Hence the random callout.