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On April 13 2012 02:32 FourFace wrote:
EBWOP:

Also FOS: Blazinghand

On April 13 2012 00:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I am going to such great lengths to try and defend MY ASS from you calling me mafia based on town treats or something that is CAUSED by other people.
I am posting walls of text, I won't deny that. However I am doing that because I have to because every minute gonzaw and VE are fingering me with equally big wall of texts. More gonzaw than VE.
What would happen if I would ignore those things? People would call to lynch me because (and I'm quoting here):

If I would just ignore those things people would rightfully lynch me instantly for refusing to take stances and for refusing to give reads or explanations. Because that IS a mafiatread.
I am really sorry that I have to answer all those walls of text. If you lynch VE today and gonzaw gives me something life half a day (ingame day, that's 24 hours) as an experient to see what would happen I am more than happy to prove that I am not disruptive at all.

So why is everyone calling me disruptive, when in reallity gonzaw (and VE) is the cause of that because he forces me to answer every single bullshit there is.

On April 13 2012 00:55 Toadesstern wrote:
I never said to not use "wifom". By all means, try to think about what makes sense and what does not and try and find the most reasonable explantion. Instavoting me after the nightkills makes no sense because assuming "Toad told people to protect Jackal and is a mafia who used a single bullet on Jackal to kill him" is not the most reasonable explantion.
Since both VE and gonzaw instavoted me and I had a mafia read on both of them I am assuming they are not even trying to figure out what's happening because clearly they didn't even look at the nightkills.

I said telling someone "that's just wifom" is a bad treat.

On April 13 2012 01:18 Toadesstern wrote:
For why I call gonzaw mafia: Pretty much for what you accused him just now. Being disruptive on purpose with his fingerpointing asking EVERYONE in the thread about his case, being all over the place to hear someone about his own cases from every single player in the game. And yeah, pretty much everyone said the case he did is a null, yet he proceeds to push me for that like a maniac.

I am pretty sure a townie would reconsider for a bried second if he would get that much "no" about his case and observe me while watching what happens when I am not forced to bomb the thread because of him.

On April 13 2012 02:39 gonzaw wrote:


What?


Here, I'll tell you why you are disruptive:

EVERY.SINGLE.POST.OF.YOURS this D2 has been about you "defending yourself". You accuse VE of making a bad case on you, but you do so defending yourself. You accuse me of making another "bad" case on you, and again you OMGUS me by defending yourself.
All your posts have been defensive, with you trying to "explain" yourself, in a somewhat obnoxious manner and a very unclear and drawn out one.
People accused you, but you just created more shitstorm by just defending yourself in that way.

And now that we are in the eye of the storm and the discussion has calmed a little bit, you are still defending yourself.
I don't see you trying to find other scum, I don't see you adding more to the discussions going on here about what possible scenarios there are between the two of you. I don't see you pressuring other players, not even when nobody is talking anything at all.

Also, you accuse me, you FoS me, you say I'm "disruptive"; but you don't say why. I've asked you like 4 times to reread the thread, reread my filter and make a case against me, yet you ignore it and keep FoSing me without any sensible reasons. You say I'm always "fingering" at you and being disruptive about it, when it's obviously fucking false.
You are telling me that's not disruptive?


However, VE is doing the exact same fucking thing.
Instead of brutally defending himself, he just looks at us with puppy eyes and says "Come on guys! I'm trying here " or "I'm just trying not to die, come on is there a friend out there that will help me lynch Toad?".
And again, the discussion has died down a little bit, and he doesn't do shit, he still plays the victim here even though some people are even considering lynching Toad or lynching someone else entirely.
Of course, he makes an unfounded FoS on johnny wanting him lynched out of the blue and saying that the Toad wagon "doesn't have support" so he wants to change.
He doesn't make a case against johnny, doesn't make any analysis whatsoever about this "lack of support" of the Toad wagon, which actually was bullshit.
He doesn't pressure anybody else, nothing.

Both of you are disruptive, and useless when the discussion dies down. And I don't know what to think of that.

About Artanis:

I do get that he only posts to respond to accusations, and doesn't try to contribute on his own nor be part of the discussion.
But like I said, I think a wagon on him will get resistance, just because of the fact that he's not "confirmed scum" (in a way) and people will doubt the legitimacy of that wagon and doubt why it should be Artanis and not someone else.
That wagon won't happen, just like the ST/ghost/etc wagons wouldn't have happened on D1.
So no, I wouldn't want to risk NL and another shitstorm, only by getting a wagon on Artanis, which I'm also not that confident that he will flip scum right now. Remember we lose with 2 misslynches.

BH is the only player I would even consider "confirmed scum" this game, and a mass-switch on him is possible, considering I haven't seen a single person that has defended his behaviour. But again, that will leave the VE vs Toad matter unsolved, and by the way both of these are acting right now (when the shitstorm has somewhat stopped) they won't bring anything new to the table and will make it harder for us to determine their alignment later on, bringing us into a situation like this all over again (even if trackers/watchers/DTs claim with checks on them, etc).

To be honest, I'm inclined to vote VE, mostly because his "defeated" attitude doesn't make sense, nor does his push for johnny's lynch, and he isn't acting like he would as town at all.
His case against Toad is good, but I feel most of his points are rehashes of my case against Toad.

Anyways, in 1 hour or so I'm going to uni and be back around the deadline, so I'll have to make my vote count, but I'm still trying to figure these things out, and I'm kind of uncertain about whether a BH massswitch would be good or not (since I'm very confident he will flip scum), in the case the one of Toad/VE we lynch today ends up being town.

On April 13 2012 01:58 Mementoss wrote:
That picture made me laugh.

Just for reference 6 people do not have an active vote atm. It would be nice to here there current stance and get a vote.

List of people who do not have an active vote:
Kepachi
Grackaroni
HassyBaby
gonzaw
JohnnyWup
FourFace

On April 13 2012 02:59 johnnywup wrote:
also spoiler that shit toad.

On April 13 2012 02:59 gonzaw wrote:
No, I don't care if you want me lynched or not. You said you thought I was scum, so prove it.
You haven't done so since N1.

And I don't want you making other cases and presenting other lynch candidates, I want you to at least comment on other players and do something else.
You haven't commented on BH, you haven't commented on Artanis until a little while ago (and didn't contribute yourself or post your actual thoughts on him). You haven't commented on the lurkers, and what you did comment you haven't really made any original content.

You saying "I will try to be less disruptive, ..." doesn't mean shit.

On April 13 2012 02:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright, so let me get this straight. People want me lynched for lurking, and the one post I made about gonzaw which I cleared up later and everyone's more than happy to jump on the Artanis bandwagon. There is no case, the only case you have is that I lurk and don't post unless I get called out1. I'd like to refer all of you to my game in TL Mafia XXX, with my filter here. In big games, I tend to lurk, and I was townie in this game. It fits with said meta, and I did post some of my own analysis, though I struggle in large threads.2

What worries me is the instant bandwagon on me3; seems like Mafia has found a way to relieve pressure from one of their scumbuddies and found an easy train to ride, since there's no one that's going to hate a lynch of me4. If neither Toad nor VE dies today, we're just going to have the same mess again tomorrow5. I'm also massively confused why people have stopped voting for VE. Let me suggest to you a quiz that either determines what you should do with VE or how your play has been this game.

Q1: Was VisceraEyes' claim beneficial for town?
O) Yes
L) No

Q2: Did VisceraEyes' claim timing make sense?
M) Yes
Y) No

Q3: Is chaos good for town?
G) Yes
N) No

Q4: Did Viscera cause a ton of chaos?
C) Yes
U) No

Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Viscera?
H) Yes
S) No

Diverting from this issue just means we're going to have this shitstorm all over again on D3. I find the redirection extremely scummy.

On April 13 2012 03:20 gonzaw wrote:
For fucks sake Toad.

What do you think of BH?

Really, how many times do I have to ask this?
And no, doing so won't be disruptive, it's called "contribution".

On April 13 2012 03:30 Toadesstern wrote:


He is the one guy besides Kenpachi who is still white in my spreadsheet, aka I haven't made up my mind about him.
I remember him mostly as a bad player who usually gets mislynched as townie very easily because of his weird style. So far I haven't found a thing that makes me think strongly in either of the two directions. I am not even sure if I ever saw him play as mafia.

That's why I am not talking about BH, what point is there if I think he's a null?
Other than him playing bad I don't have something.

Someone else you want to ask about to prove I am not lying about him being one of the only 2 guys being white?^^

On April 13 2012 03:28 johnnywup wrote:
prplhz, do you really want the toad vs VE case going on in day 3? :\ one way or another it's going to end bloodily. cases for artanis isn't going to change that.