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On April 13 2012 01:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 01:20 Mementoss wrote:On April 13 2012 01:07 prplhz wrote:
Why the fuck are you guys not listening?
VisceraEyes is town because he posted like he was a DT and that is very hard for scum to fake (these are his posts at the start of day2). Scum don't purposely try to do that, because they just end up in situations like the one VisceraEyes is in right now.
If you want to lynch people for being "dumb" (which I don't really think VisceraEyes has been even though I probably would have used my role in a different way) then you can lynch from here on until the game ends in a perfect scum victory. If you want to lynch people because you're afraid they might be scum then you're also doing it wrong.
In the very unlikely case that he's actually scum, then we have tracker/watcher to make sure that he actually visits someone tonight so hopefully you will calm down about this tomorrow when we determine that he actually also has the ability to visit someone.
The case on Artanis[Xp] is actually quite clear. He hasn't done anything townie yet. Townies have ALWAYS done something townie, not because they're all brilliant but because they all actually try and when you try then you always end up doing something that it townie, even if you have to look scummy on your way there. Artanis[Xp] hasn't done this and he is quite clearly scum. Now he's just showing up to defend himself in a very scum like way.
So pile on to him now. You guys have no excuse because I have now repeatedly told you that Artanis[Xp] is very likely scum and that VisceraEyes is very likely town. If you decide to screw this up then shame on you. I want to know your resolution day 3, when mafia hasn't hit VE or Toad. And its still in the back of everyones minds whether there truthful or lying. I know your stance on VE what are your thoughts on Toad? I also think Artanis is scummy, but that is not the point ATM, im almost certain there is scum between VE and Toad, and we can't let Day 3 discussion be taken over by this issue. If it's a bad thing that people are thinking about VisceraEyes and Toadesstern then they should stop thinking about them. You are literally saying "If we're in MYLO tomorrow, I'm going to ruin the day by talking and thinking solely about VisceraEyes and Toadesstern even though I think that that is bad for town." and I can't really prevent you from doing that in any sensible way. If you think it's bad to think about those two then stop doing it. We can't kill everybody just because you don't really know what to think about them. Furthermore, I believe that Artanis[Xp] should be lynched.
To be quite honest I think I'm going to vote for the best case leading to scumminess, which I personally think is Toad. I can think other people are scum and not vote them, I only have one vote. On the subject of who I think is scum, what are your thoughts on Blazinghand, Zealos, and Adam?
The case on Artanis makes sense, but it seems less of scummy posting and more on lurking and only posting when provoked. Its not overly substantially guaranteed scum, like your trying to make people think by all switching automatically.
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Just in case: I totally agree about Artanis and the case makes sense but won't vote him unless we get a decent amount of votes onto him.
I also still think that Gonzaw is mafia but with all the resistance I am getting from both sides (people who are considering to vote me or VE) I have to acknowledge that a gonzaw lynch after VE is probably not going to happen. So I am not going to talk about lynching him (I didn't ever since n1) unless he get's an issue and I (or someone else) does a decent case about him that people agree upon.
Nevertheless let's be honest. If I vote him now people will get off me and if people aren't equally getting off VE mafia get's a mislynch because they're getting my head which is not helping town :/
So I'm kind of in a disaster right now and quite frankly I guess me saying I support an Artanis lynch will probably scare off the goes who are willing to lynch me 
So if you can get something like 7 or 8 votes on him I am up for that.
Actually I'd say making a list of people who are willign to lynch Artanis is the best way. That way we don't have to unvote VE / Toad as it's pretty even right now and that could very well end up deciding who gets lynched if we don't get enough people willing to vote artanis first.
So everyone who is willing to vote Artanis if we get a majority on him please say so
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On April 13 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:Just in case: I totally agree about Artanis and the case makes sense but won't vote him unless we get a decent amount of votes onto him. I also still think that Gonzaw is mafia but with all the resistance I am getting from both sides (people who are considering to vote me or VE) I have to acknowledge that a gonzaw lynch after VE is probably not going to happen. So I am not going to talk about lynching him (I didn't ever since n1) unless he get's an issue and I (or someone else) does a decent case about him that people agree upon. Nevertheless let's be honest. If I vote him now people will get off VE and if people aren't equally getting off me mafia get's a mislynch because they're getting my head which is not helping town :/ So I'm kind of in a disaster right now and quite frankly I guess me saying I support an Artanis lynch will probably scare off the goes who are willing to lynch me So if you can get something like 7 or 8 votes on him I am up for that. Actually I'd say making a list of people who are willign to lynch Artanis is the best way. That way we don't have to unvote VE / Toad as it's pretty even right now and that could very well end up deciding who gets lynched if we don't get enough people willing to vote artanis first. So everyone who is willing to vote Artanis if we get a majority on him please say so
EWBOP :p
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I'm not. I'm voting VE, so at the end of the game, when VE turns out to be scum, I can look at the people that didn't vote for him and laugh.
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On April 12 2012 23:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Why is is fine if gonzaw/VE are equally bombing the thread but it's not when I am answering those posts?
Why is it fine that people like Katina/Artanis/Jitsu step into this game once per cycle to tell us who they vote without explaing it at all just do proceed lurking afterwards for the next 48 hours?
Hey Toad, I want you to take a look through my filter. I want you to highlight each post where I "step into the game once per cycle and tell you who I am voting for, without explaining why i'm voting, then continue to lurk."
I await it with baited breath, because it also exemplifies the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about (or possibly, aren't even reading). Seeing as how I gave reasoning (neigh CREATING A CASE) on Janaan, and showed how VE's claim is a lot more legit than yours, I will call bullshit on this one.
I think you are threatened because you know i'm right. No one was smart as you would say that I am lurking the thread, and not giving reasoning to my votes. That's off the wall. I would expect that from someone in a Newbie Mafia. Not you.
For the rest of you guys, KEEP IS SIMPLE. We have two highly polarized candidates for a lynch right now. We need 13 Votes to lynch, I believe. Toad has eight. Let's get a few more, then focus on other things. Stop trying to distract people with other shit right now when the big thing that matters is deciding who to lynch. A vote switch to Artanis, or anyone else, is a fantasy, and only succeeds in sowing doubt.
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That picture made me laugh.
Just for reference 6 people do not have an active vote atm. It would be nice to here there current stance and get a vote.
List of people who do not have an active vote:
Kepachi
Grackaroni
HassyBaby
gonzaw
JohnnyWup
FourFace
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wbg's right...at any point there's even a remote attempt to shift the direction of the thread out oft he shitstorm, someone comes back in to push it straight back.
Mem, you know my stance. I think Toad and VE are two hothead townies bashing their heads against each other, and both showing pretty desperate moves along the way. But the way the day has gone, its almost impossible to distinguish whether its the lurkers or the 2nd/3rd instigators who are scummy.
Yes, I would vote Artanis. I don't know if there's time though.
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On April 13 2012 02:09 Hassybaby wrote:
wbg's right...at any point there's even a remote attempt to shift the direction of the thread out oft he shitstorm, someone comes back in to push it straight back.
Mem, you know my stance. I think Toad and VE are two hothead townies bashing their heads against each other, and both showing pretty desperate moves along the way. But the way the day has gone, its almost impossible to distinguish whether its the lurkers or the 2nd/3rd instigators who are scummy.
Yes, I would vote Artanis. I don't know if there's time though.
Alright I was just making sure it was still that, its hard to confirm without a vote.
Also, I don't remember WBG saying that, in fact I think this was his stance. Direct quote of him:
"The focus today needs to be on VE + Toad, for obvious reasons"
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Jitsu wins the game for a Mike Ditka reference
Didn't you guys know that Coach Ditka is god? DUH
+ Show Spoiler +/sarcasm for someone who inevitably doesn't get that this is a joke and I am a HUGE Bears fan
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@Mattchew: For a minute there, I thought I stumbled back into Aperture Mafia, and someone else just got sucked out of the game.
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On April 13 2012 02:15 Mattchew wrote: Jitsu wins the game for a Mike Ditka reference
Didn't you guys know that Coach Ditka is god? DUH + Show Spoiler +/sarcasm for someone who inevitably doesn't get that this is a joke and I am a HUGE Bears fan
Brian Urlacher Eff Tere Dubs.
On April 13 2012 02:09 Hassybaby wrote:
wbg's right...at any point there's even a remote attempt to shift the direction of the thread out oft he shitstorm, someone comes back in to push it straight back.
Mem, you know my stance. I think Toad and VE are two hothead townies bashing their heads against each other, and both showing pretty desperate moves along the way. But the way the day has gone, its almost impossible to distinguish whether its the lurkers or the 2nd/3rd instigators who are scummy.
Yes, I would vote Artanis. I don't know if there's time though.
Why would we shift the direction to something out of the shitstorm? If we divert our attention away, I guarantee this day will culminate in a no lynch.
Toad or VE. Our path has been chosen. Pick the side.
You know which is the right one.
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Alright, so let me get this straight. People want me lynched for lurking, and the one post I made about gonzaw which I cleared up later and everyone's more than happy to jump on the Artanis bandwagon. There is no case, the only case you have is that I lurk and don't post unless I get called out. I'd like to refer all of you to my game in TL Mafia XXX, with my filter here. In big games, I tend to lurk, and I was townie in this game. It fits with said meta, and I did post some of my own analysis, though I struggle in large threads.
What worries me is the instant bandwagon on me; seems like Mafia has found a way to relieve pressure from one of their scumbuddies and found an easy train to ride, since there's no one that's going to hate a lynch of me. If neither Toad nor VE dies today, we're just going to have the same mess again tomorrow. I'm also massively confused why people have stopped voting for VE. Let me suggest to you a quiz that either determines what you should do with VE or how your play has been this game.
Q1: Was VisceraEyes' claim beneficial for town?
O) Yes
L) No
Q2: Did VisceraEyes' claim timing make sense?
M) Yes
Y) No
Q3: Is chaos good for town?
G) Yes
N) No
Q4: Did Viscera cause a ton of chaos?
C) Yes
U) No
Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Viscera?
H) Yes
S) No
Diverting from this issue just means we're going to have this shitstorm all over again on D3. I find the redirection extremely scummy.
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On April 13 2012 02:14 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 02:09 Hassybaby wrote:
wbg's right...at any point there's even a remote attempt to shift the direction of the thread out oft he shitstorm, someone comes back in to push it straight back.
Mem, you know my stance. I think Toad and VE are two hothead townies bashing their heads against each other, and both showing pretty desperate moves along the way. But the way the day has gone, its almost impossible to distinguish whether its the lurkers or the 2nd/3rd instigators who are scummy.
Yes, I would vote Artanis. I don't know if there's time though. Alright I was just making sure it was still that, its hard to confirm without a vote. Also, I don't remember WBG saying that, in fact I think this was his stance. Direct quote of him: "The focus today needs to be on VE + Toad, for obvious reasons"
On April 12 2012 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
that's only productive if we're going to completely ignore VE and Toad and lynch someone else.
I don't even know if that's possible at this point, because somehow the discussion will be rubber banded back to Toad and VE, either by the scumteam, some townie who is convinced of one side or the other, or by one of those two.
Not word for word, but the same message
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I'd like to start with our dear lost friend's opinion on BH
Jackal58: I think Visc is town atm. I don't know what to make of Toad yet. I always want to kill BH and WBG so my opinion of them is very biased. I wouldn't cry is somebody shot either of them at night.
Act #1: BH the liar ...
Scumbag BH. Says he'll check Janaan's filter
On April 10 2012 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Reviewing Janaan's filter presently.
On April 10 2012 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote:
@BH: Even though he's scummy, sputnik won't be lynched today, there is not enough time and it will be utter chaos if we even try to switch the wagon to him. A vig could shoot him, or we can lynch him on D2, we will have plenty of time (more so if Janaan flips scum). So if you think Janaan is scum please vote him.
Janaan's filter is fairly short. I'll take a look. That being said, sputnik is scum and should die. His defense of Janaan could be an associative tell but we won't know until one of them flips, of course. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote:Hey Blazinghand, I haven't seen that video of you eating your hat yet >_> ????
He never did
He was way to busy bashing on sputnik and "pinning" him and me on his "wall". You had me on your wall for so long as your number one lynch candidate and still no case?
Also please note that lying is a creative process, much more creative than telling the truth. Which brings us to our "artist" BH who's been sketching every point he makes, finding the most inspired formulations to increase the maximum efficiency of his insults
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 01:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Town! Blazinghand is now officially too quiet for my liking! If he's not in here by halfway through the day, I move that he be our very first lurker lynch!
Who's with me?! Nobody. you hear that cricket chirping? that's the sound of a crickent because it's silent. "why is it silent blzinghand" it's silent because nobody wants to get on your dumb wagon with your dumb oxen and leave council bluffs, KS, to travel to Williamette River Valley because all you have is 10 grandfather clocks and a hat. Why would you pick that as your starting gear? it's cause you have no idea what you're doing
Why do I think his augmented way of posting is particularly scummy, I'm doing it too, I've said stuff like shitting on my scanner and sending the picture .. but the difference between me and him is that I've seriously considered doing this. It's not that creative it's simply an impulse. What he's doing has nothing to do with urges, emotion or mood .. it's pure fabrication / invention
Act #2: BH the half-ass tunneler ...
Hasn't made a decent case about me but I'm still his nr.1 lynching candidate. Did I mention this? Well I feel it deserves it's own act.
Act #3: Easy mode / malicious joy ...
For most of what he's been posting he got easy presence for because he's essentially trolling. He's been picking on sput so hard it's macabre now that we know he wasn't scum. BH would be the type to pick on him like this because he knew he's not scum, that being the jest of it. He's been getting high on calling out scummyness on townies while being himself scum - all game long. The insults are just the cherry on the pie.
Act #4: Diplomacy ...
On April 10 2012 17:52 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 17:36 FourFace wrote:
The rest was like we need to avoid a NL, derp.
I stand by the actions I took to avoid an NL. you weren't exactly captain mchelpful D1 either. Regarding the question of directing blues, I think what was said by myself WBG here was very good: Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 15:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
To anyone who is a vig: if you don't feel comfortable shooting, I advise that you don't. I will try to come up with some names that I'd shoot after I wake up, but if you don't agree with any of those names you're better off not shooting. Vig and DT lists are usually just guidelines (though if you ignore them and shoot townies people will be mad)
Is there a problem with this advice? It's not too bad for people to throw out Ideas for vigis, and hell, there are inexperienced players in this game. What if someone who is truly terrible at Mafia, such as yourself, is a vig? Surely it's better that town offer some direction and advice.
At this stage you still haven't given any indication of having read Janaan's filter and you are being called out for voting like a derp. Instead of explaining yourself you choose to discredit me while brownnosing WBG.
You figure there's not a lot of people who listen to what I have to say so I'm an easy pushover. You use the vig list as an excuse to discredit me and also to go fishing for sympathy.
##Vote: Blazinghand
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On April 13 2012 02:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Q1: Was Toads claim beneficial for town?
O) Yes
L) No
Q2: Did Toads' claim timing make sense?
M) Yes
Y) No
Q3: Is chaos good for town?
G) Yes
N) No
Q4: Did Toads' cause a ton of chaos?
C) Yes
U) No
Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Toad?
H) Yes
S) No
Just to show you how unhelpful that was.
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OH now that you put it that way Artanis it's SO clear!! Re-read the initial cases ignoring that for one second from an outside perspective. Then consider the claims. Then add em both together and see what you get. You haven't even commented on Toads claim.
Q1: Was Toad's claim beneficial for town?
O) Yes
L) No
Q2: Did Toad's claim timing make sense?
M) Yes
Y) No
Q3: Is chaos good for town?
G) Yes
N) No
Q4: Did Toad cause a ton of chaos?
C) Yes
U) No
Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Toad?
H) Yes
S) No
Have I made my point how shitty the above was?
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On April 13 2012 02:29 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 02:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Q1: Was Toads claim beneficial for town?
O) Yes
L) No
Q2: Did Toads' claim timing make sense?
M) Yes
Y) No
Q3: Is chaos good for town?
G) Yes
N) No
Q4: Did Toads' cause a ton of chaos?
C) Yes
U) No
Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Toad?
H) Yes
S) No
Just to show you how unhelpful that was.
I'm up for lynching either of them, both have been incredibly anti town, but the DT claim made even less sense then the veteran claim due to not knowing if he was sane or not, plus he made the first claim which later triggered Toad to do his.
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EBWOP:
Also FOS: Blazinghand
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2012 02:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Alright, so let me get this straight. People want me lynched for lurking, and the one post I made about gonzaw which I cleared up later and everyone's more than happy to jump on the Artanis bandwagon. There is no case, the only case you have is that I lurk and don't post unless I get called out. I'd like to refer all of you to my game in TL Mafia XXX, with my filter here. In big games, I tend to lurk, and I was townie in this game. It fits with said meta, and I did post some of my own analysis, though I struggle in large threads. What worries me is the instant bandwagon on me; seems like Mafia has found a way to relieve pressure from one of their scumbuddies and found an easy train to ride, since there's no one that's going to hate a lynch of me. If neither Toad nor VE dies today, we're just going to have the same mess again tomorrow. I'm also massively confused why people have stopped voting for VE. Let me suggest to you a quiz that either determines what you should do with VE or how your play has been this game. Q1: Was VisceraEyes' claim beneficial for town?O) Yes L) No Q2: Did VisceraEyes' claim timing make sense?M) Yes Y) No Q3: Is chaos good for town?G) Yes N) No Q4: Did Viscera cause a ton of chaos?C) Yes U) No Q5: Given the answers to these questions, does it make sense to lynch Viscera?H) Yes S) No Diverting from this issue just means we're going to have this shitstorm all over again on D3. I find the redirection extremely scummy.
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