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On April 13 2012 00:25 Toadesstern wrote:

Awesome, so you agree to lynch gonzaw and VE? Because everything you said besides wifom is true for those two as well.

Not to mention that calling something wifom is the thing that is scummy, not someone trying to figure out what happened. I am trying to figure out what happened the night. That's a townie treat.
VE is calling it wifom. That's a mafia treat because wifom is the worst vocabulary there is in mafia games because nowadays you can call everything and their dog wifom without even a second of a thought and people will say "ok" because EVERYTHING is wifom to some degree in this game. This is a game of chance to some degree and it's about judging what makes most sense (Occams Razor anyone?). A townie would have NO PROBLEM AT ALL simply pointing out another more reasonable explanation. A mafia will simply call wifom to discredit someone without actually having to explain shit. So no, that's not a mafia treat at all.

Oh and actually pointing fingers all over the place isn't a mafiatreat either. You think a mafia is happy being on 5 different lists of people who fos'ed townies all game long? Hell no, a mafia is trying to be diplomatic, not talking about his reads at all always trying to dodge having to give reads. That's were gonzaw is absolutely right, just that I am not doing that.

On April 13 2012 00:41 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, that's lovely toad.

Other people: do you see what I'm seeing with my wbg analysis? Or am I going nuts. Discuss

On April 13 2012 00:48 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm still at school but these last few pages have been fruitful as fck.


Why exactly do you find gonzaw scummy again? I re-read your case: it can literally be summed up as "he put a bad case on me, must be scum". If we lynched based off bad cases, I would want Risen dead on a stake.

Your next chunk is a lot of rationalizing about WIFOM, which is ironic when you claim that WIFOM is overused and shouldn't be used. Trying to figure out night actions if fine, but the problem is that you used the night actions to imply that you are town (I told people to protect Jackal so I'm town). You say "A mafia will simply call wifom to discredit someone without actually having to explain shit.", but it has already been explained why your WIFOM speculation was erroenous and suspicious.

Pointing fingers can be a mafia trait if it disrupts activities. Not all mafia hide in little corners in lurk; I always accuse people as scum.

On April 13 2012 00:53 Mementoss wrote:


Yeah the way you show it, it looks like WBG is really inconsistent, to the same flavour I showed on day 1.
Reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046&currentpage=65#1282

He mentions VE being hypocritcal but you point out a lot that he himself is hypocritical. I agree with all your points made in the WBG post actually, they make a lot of sense.

I was getting the feeling while in the thread last night that WBG genuinely thought VE was scum, but it coulda just been him shitting up the thread to try and ensure VE's death. Cause hey, lynching a potential DT is a lot better than using a night kill on it.

On April 13 2012 00:55 Toadesstern wrote:


I never said to not use "wifom". By all means, try to think about what makes sense and what does not and try and find the most reasonable explantion. Instavoting me after the nightkills makes no sense because assuming "Toad told people to protect Jackal and is a mafia who used a single bullet on Jackal to kill him" is not the most reasonable explantion.
Since both VE and gonzaw instavoted me and I had a mafia read on both of them I am assuming they are not even trying to figure out what's happening because clearly they didn't even look at the nightkills.

I said telling someone "that's just wifom" is a bad treat.

On April 13 2012 01:07 prplhz wrote:
Why the fuck are you guys not listening?

VisceraEyes is town because he posted like he was a DT and that is very hard for scum to fake (these are his posts at the start of day2). Scum don't purposely try to do that, because they just end up in situations like the one VisceraEyes is in right now.

If you want to lynch people for being "dumb" (which I don't really think VisceraEyes has been even though I probably would have used my role in a different way) then you can lynch from here on until the game ends in a perfect scum victory. If you want to lynch people because you're afraid they might be scum then you're also doing it wrong.

In the very unlikely case that he's actually scum, then we have tracker/watcher to make sure that he actually visits someone tonight so hopefully you will calm down about this tomorrow when we determine that he actually also has the ability to visit someone.

The case on Artanis[Xp] is actually quite clear. He hasn't done anything townie yet. Townies have ALWAYS done something townie, not because they're all brilliant but because they all actually try and when you try then you always end up doing something that it townie, even if you have to look scummy on your way there. Artanis[Xp] hasn't done this and he is quite clearly scum. Now he's just showing up to defend himself in a very scum like way.

So pile on to him now. You guys have no excuse because I have now repeatedly told you that Artanis[Xp] is very likely scum and that VisceraEyes is very likely town. If you decide to screw this up then shame on you.

On April 13 2012 01:09 prplhz wrote:
ghost_403, gonzaw, EchelonTee, I have seen all of you call Artanis[Xp] scummy.

Why are you not voting him? We could lynch scum today.

On April 13 2012 01:02 EchelonTee wrote:

uh you ignored 2/3 of my post. the first 1/3 was a direct question.

Hmm so does it make sense for a veteran to call for medic protection? No? Maybe you're lying then. Gonzaw posted like 3 cases on you the last night. After D2 started, gonzaw spent a few posts considering the night kills. It's obvious that he looked at the night kills. You don't have any legitimate reason to call gonzaw mafia.... OMGUS only extends so far.

On April 12 2012 21:38 ghost_403 wrote:
This isn't derailing the thread, this is moving the thread back towards sanity. This is a town. We are supposed to hunt scum, not argue over a VE lynch versus a Toads lynch. Right now, we're hunting scum. If you don't think Artanis is a good lynch, tell me why.

On April 13 2012 01:07 prplhz wrote:
Why the fuck are you guys not listening?

VisceraEyes is town because he posted like he was a DT and that is very hard for scum to fake (these are his posts at the start of day2). Scum don't purposely try to do that, because they just end up in situations like the one VisceraEyes is in right now.

If you want to lynch people for being "dumb" (which I don't really think VisceraEyes has been even though I probably would have used my role in a different way) then you can lynch from here on until the game ends in a perfect scum victory. If you want to lynch people because you're afraid they might be scum then you're also doing it wrong.

In the very unlikely case that he's actually scum, then we have tracker/watcher to make sure that he actually visits someone tonight so hopefully you will calm down about this tomorrow when we determine that he actually also has the ability to visit someone.

The case on Artanis[Xp] is actually quite clear. He hasn't done anything townie yet. Townies have ALWAYS done something townie, not because they're all brilliant but because they all actually try and when you try then you always end up doing something that it townie, even if you have to look scummy on your way there. Artanis[Xp] hasn't done this and he is quite clearly scum. Now he's just showing up to defend himself in a very scum like way.

So pile on to him now. You guys have no excuse because I have now repeatedly told you that Artanis[Xp] is very likely scum and that VisceraEyes is very likely town. If you decide to screw this up then shame on you.

On April 13 2012 01:08 marvellosity wrote:


We're not listening when YOU have totally ignored my wbg case? Nice one

On April 13 2012 01:21 prplhz wrote:

I am telling you that Artanis[Xp] is pretty clearly scum and now you're telling me that you have a good reason not to listen because I didn't read some shabby case you wrote? The only reason you have not to listen to my case is that it's bad, not that I didn't listen to your case.

I just replaced into this game, I have a very much more valid excuse for not having read this entire thread than you do. I can tell you that this is one of the worst threads that I have ever had to fight my way through and people like you are responsible for that, you just post whatever meaningless one liner you have on your mind and allow scum to easily blend into the spammy madness.

I didn't see your case but I'm pretty sure it's bad because wherebugsgo looks pretty townie to me.

Now pile on to Artanis[Xp]

@EchelonTee No I don't really think that Toadesstern is too scummy right now. There's no "resolution", no big "epiphany" that we will get from lynching either of those. We lynch someone because they are scum and Artanis[Xp] is the most clear scum in this game. I don't really care that you were wrong about michaelthe because I'm not wrong about Artanis[Xp].

On March 31 2012 10:37 GMarshal wrote:
A few GMarshal specific tidbits

1.) Play nice. This is a refined game, I expect you all to behave like Gentlemen (or Ladies, as the case may be). I will not hesitate to modkill or outright ban you for excessive behavior

On April 13 2012 01:20 Mementoss wrote:


I want to know your resolution day 3, when mafia hasn't hit VE or Toad. And its still in the back of everyones minds whether there truthful or lying. I know your stance on VE what are your thoughts on Toad?
I also think Artanis is scummy, but that is not the point ATM, im almost certain there is scum between VE and Toad, and we can't let Day 3 discussion be taken over by this issue.