EPTFor real, let's just lynch him and be done with it.
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
For real, let's just lynch him and be done with it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
What do you think about tracker + watcher? I don't play in a lot of games with tracker or watchers but how does the idea sound to you, that those 2 roles might come in pairs? Aka I think there is probably a watcher out there but that's speculation and so on. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
We are getting to MYLO, we need our blues in the dark and giving out necessary info whenever needed, we don't need to waste them. Also, VE could be Framer and visit someone to frame, and that player won't get any message of being RBed or anything. That means VE could easily visit someone as scum, trackers/watchers confirm the info, and we "confirm" VE as town, when in fact he is scum, plus we waste all our trackers and watchers Anyways I'm out | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:49 Toadesstern wrote: hey prpl, you do realize that we already have a tracker who already flipped? So there certainly are trackers in this game, it's more of a question if there's multiple. What do you think about tracker + watcher? I don't play in a lot of games with tracker or watchers but how does the idea sound to you, that those 2 roles might come in pairs? Aka I think there is probably a watcher out there but that's speculation and so on. No I didn't realize that. I don't know about tracker/watcher pairs, but I think that scum don't know if there are anything and they might slip up no matter what we do. Yes, that is speculation. I'm still opposed to lynching VisceraEyes and I'd like to lynch Artanis[Xp]. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:48 Jitsu wrote: Toad still unable to answer me. Cool. For real, let's just lynch him and be done with it. for christs sake I listed you under "scummish lurkers who only pop in every 48 to accuse me". That was meant to be a summary for you three, not a 100% set in stone explanation why you are mafia. What do you want me to do when people tell me to post more concise. Here you go: Katina lurks hardcore only to get in here every 48 hours to say something about me and vote me. (aka all 3 thigns fit) Artanis is a scummy lurker who only gets in here every 48 hours (aka 2,5 things fit, he said VE is more scummy than I am) Jitsu is a scummy guy who popped in voting me for wrong/little reasoning while claiming VE's claim makes sense (aka 2 things fit) April 09 2012 11:35 Toad - This Toad looks a lot like Toad from Storm, at least at surface value. I'd like to see more of him, only with better edited posts, because they are hurting my face. (((. April 12 2012 03:50 People are bringing up the fact that it could be a miller/framer mechanic. I think the smart option, regardless if the miller/framer mechanic is in the game, is to lynch the red flip. I would tell you that regardless if I was the person being checked. It leaves too many questions un-answered. The odds of Toad being miller is fairly low, and the possibility of him being framed is moderate at best. But beyond that, if we don't lynch him, it leaves too many questions in the open. [...] I'm going to believe this claim now, especially with overall actions and his previous breadcrumb. ##Vote: Toad On April 12 2012 16:39 Jitsu wrote: Just got home from work. Long ass night shift. Caught up just to get a gift of the thread. I'll read more thoroughly tomorrow. Too tired right now to have any really awesome coherent thoughts. I think Toad should hang. Night. I mean I still don't believe someone actually saying VE's claim makes sense and that killing the redcheck with unknown sanities makes sense on d2 simply because of a red check. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:25 prplhz wrote: 1: Hilarious how you say that there is no case and then you summarize the case in the same sentence. So lurking is scummy. I lurked in TL XXX too which I linked, and I was green. I didn't get called out but if I did I would've defended myself in the same manner I am doing right now. If that's your case, then it is laughable. 2: I think you're trying way harder in that game than you are in this game but year old meta is unimportant, and meta generally is of lesser importance than how you're actually acting. You're calling my lurking scummy. I link to a game where I was lurking as well and I definitely wasn't trying harder if you bothered to read the posts. You're making a case out of thin air when we have two people causing utter chaos in town. If lurking is more suspicious then claiming DT or Veteran on Day 2 I question your logic. 3: Instant bandwagon? A lot of people have said they found you scummy but I'm the only one voting for you, and then ghost_401 who I had to personally ask to vote for you before he did it. How the hell is this instant bandwagon? If anything, people are staunchly resisting this lynch. Until my post no one really resisted it and everyone indicated they were willing to vote for me, which is building a bandwagon yet there is no case. Lurking is not town nor scum, lurking is lurking and is down by both town and mafia. I find it interesting that you're singling me out when there's plenty of other lurkers out there such as Kenpachi which have given even less contributions. 4: You are saying that the attack on you was orchestrated by scum, are you calling me scum or what? Why am I scum? What do you mean that people aren't going to hate lynching you? There are god damn 2 votes on you and one of them came from a guy who was semi-bullied into doing it. I think you're feeling pretty guilty right now and you're just trying to get some sympathy from people. Of course I'm trying to get sympathy from people. Mafia wants sympathy, town wants sympathy, whatever my role is, I want sympathy. I may only have two actual votes, but a lot of people said they're okay with lynching because I haven't contributed that much. Day 1 I couldn't get to the thread until 10ish hours before the lynch due to easter. Day 2, the entire thread got shit up by VE and Toad going after eachother which everyone wanted to focus on. On Day 1 I still went after Sputnik though everyone was going after Tunkeg and Janaan. I don't feel guilty, I feel unrightly attacked, which is why I'm defending myself. 5: No and stop saying that, it's just fearmongering. The watcher/tracker plan I have mentioned could possibly give us a lot more information about VisceraEyes, and if VisceraEyes gets another check off that could tell us a ton about Toadesstern and there is no way in hell that they're both scum. The only "resolution" or "epiphany" in this game is when you lynch scum, there is no lynching for bad or lynching for information. You're assuming we still have a watcher/tracker. There seems to be a lot of vigilantes in this game and one tracker has already died. You're going with a gamble on blues you don't even know if they're in the game or not. I don't want to lynch VE just for information, I want him dead because he's scummy as hell, his cop claim makes zero sense and if he dies we'll finally be rid of all this chaos which is highly detrimental to town. Overall, your case on VisceraEyes is that he's not playing well but after SNMMIX, you of all people should know that that is in no way an indication of him being scum, probably even to the contrary. From those questions it seems like you're operating on a weird "guilty until proven innocent" principle and most of this town is just derping along. The difference is that VE has shown in previous games that he's a very capable players. In Newbie Mini Mafias, this is far less the case as players are new and haven't shown their quality. With a player like Tunkeg, I felt that he was simply a bad player. With VE, I don't believe that. With what I've read so far I find it very dubious that we're going to find scum in VisceraEyes/Toadesstern and Artanis[Xp] is the best I have found outside of them and I think the case on him is pretty solid. There is no "we have to lynch into them today", we only have to lynch into scum and Artanis[Xp] is scum. So you don't find VE and Toades suspicious? Is your current read that they're both town? I'd like to know this. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
If mafia have a RB my role is pretty much useless as well, except for soaking up a RB while they shoot me. It's not like mafia will let VE alive if he somehow ends up being town (don't think so) or unroleblocked if they have an RB no matter what. There won't be checks from VE from now on so all we got is a red check on me that is more likely to be wrong than to be right according to sanities. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Toad Red - 50% Sane: Red Insane Green Paranoid Red Naive Green Toad Green - 50% Sane: Green Insane: Red Paranoid: Red Naive: Green Wanna push lies to town moar Toad? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So lurking is scummy. I lurked in TL XXX too which I linked, and I was green. I didn't get called out but if I did I would've defended myself in the same manner I am doing right now. If that's your case, then it is laughable. You're calling my lurking scummy. I link to a game where I was lurking as well and I definitely wasn't trying harder if you bothered to read the posts. You're making a case out of thin air when we have two people causing utter chaos in town. If lurking is more suspicious then claiming DT or Veteran on Day 2 I question your logic. Until my post no one really resisted it and everyone indicated they were willing to vote for me, which is building a bandwagon yet there is no case. Lurking is not town nor scum, lurking is lurking and is down by both town and mafia. I find it interesting that you're singling me out when there's plenty of other lurkers out there such as Kenpachi which have given even less contributions. Of course I'm trying to get sympathy from people. Mafia wants sympathy, town wants sympathy, whatever my role is, I want sympathy. I may only have two actual votes, but a lot of people said they're okay with lynching because I haven't contributed that much. Day 1 I couldn't get to the thread until 10ish hours before the lynch due to easter. Day 2, the entire thread got shit up by VE and Toad going after eachother which everyone wanted to focus on. On Day 1 I still went after Sputnik though everyone was going after Tunkeg and Janaan. I don't feel guilty, I feel unrightly attacked, which is why I'm defending myself. You're assuming we still have a watcher/tracker. There seems to be a lot of vigilantes in this game and one tracker has already died. You're going with a gamble on blues you don't even know if they're in the game or not. I don't want to lynch VE just for information, I want him dead because he's scummy as hell, his cop claim makes zero sense and if he dies we'll finally be rid of all this chaos which is highly detrimental to town. The difference is that VE has shown in previous games that he's a very capable players. In Newbie Mini Mafias, this is far less the case as players are new and haven't shown their quality. With a player like Tunkeg, I felt that he was simply a bad player. With VE, I don't believe that. So you don't find VE and Toades suspicious? Is your current read that they're both town? I'd like to know this. Yes. I'm of the opinion that they're both on the townie side. I've said and hinted this numerous times already, I have no idea how you could miss it. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:46 Toadesstern wrote: I mean BH basicly is dirkzor-light for me only a little short of fakeclaiming medic as a VT to absorb hits and I have honestly no idea why people keep referring to him as VET, at all. I'd do that too. What's funny to me is he debated whether or not a VT should claim DT. Isn't that almost the same.. you can absorb blocks or even bodyguard for the real blues. Anyway. Toad, would you vote for him now if this was your first game with him and you had no meta whatsoever? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:10 FourFace wrote: I'd do that too. What's funny to me is he debated whether or not a VT should claim DT. Isn't that almost the same.. you can absorb blocks or even bodyguard for the real blues. Anyway. Toad, would you vote for him now if this was your first game with him and you had no meta whatsoever? yeah, pretty much instantly. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:43 Toadesstern wrote: As far as I know he lies and tunnels as town a lot, so that's a null for me. EBWOP: Can anyone confirm this?! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote: According to sanities it's still eithier right or wrong Toad - it's not "more likely to be wrong", it's still just either right or wrong. Toad Red - 50% Sane: Red Insane Green Paranoid Red Naive Green Toad Green - 50% Sane: Green Insane: Red Paranoid: Red Naive: Green Wanna push lies to town moar Toad? We already saw a miller flipping, there might be framers idk. And if you really are a DT we can already rule out naive, that leaves paranoid, insane, sane as options because you supposedly have a red check on me. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote: for christs sake I listed you under "scummish lurkers who only pop in every 48 to accuse me". That was meant to be a summary for you three, not a 100% set in stone explanation why you are mafia. What do you want me to do when people tell me to post more concise. Here you go: Katina lurks hardcore only to get in here every 48 hours to say something about me and vote me. (aka all 3 thigns fit) Artanis is a scummy lurker who only gets in here every 48 hours (aka 2,5 things fit, he said VE is more scummy than I am) Jitsu is a scummy guy who popped in voting me for wrong/little reasoning while claiming VE's claim makes sense (aka 2 things fit) I mean I still don't believe someone actually saying VE's claim makes sense and that killing the redcheck with unknown sanities makes sense on d2 simply because of a red check. I work one night and I automatically become a lurky player. Forgive me for trying not to make the thread more unreadable then it already is because people like to post an abundance of one-liners and think that their ego is too large for this game. I figures since there were, ya know, thirty people in this game, trying to have all my posts legible and concise without spamming would help the town. Apologies if I can't match the EIGHT PAGES OF FILTER that you have before the second night. Not my fault. Look at how difficult it is to get a majority on EITHER Toad or VE. One of these two is scum, it's gotta be. I'm siding with the DT, who's actions follow along with his claim. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I still think that Artanis is the better lynch. In order of how much it sucks: No lynch < VE lynch < Toads lynch < Artanis lynch The town can't afford a no lynch, so when push comes to shove, I will support a Toads lynch. This sucks; we're gambling a lot here. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
My last game with him was Storm mafia. He was town and he got mislynched d2 with people like RoL around... Don't know if he lied in there, but he's a pretty easy mislynch in general as town. I'd say the same Palmar said about VE a couple of months ago (how old is 48 now?): "It doesn't care wethe he rolled mafia or town, the fact is that no matter what he rolled it's more likely for mafia to win because of that guy". | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I prefer to lynch someone like BH or johnnywup, people who are clearly only mildly interested in playing the game. That indicates a confidence that comes from being in contact with a team in my opinion. I prefer a BH or johnnywup lynch as an alternative lynch | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
have it your way VE | ||
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