Death Factory Mafia 2

4. There is enough room for 2 toys to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd toy is PoPed into their spot that toy is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

On April 01 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote:
Hiya, I too, am a good toy.

How do we want to do this? There was an attempt at using a voting system in Death Factory 1 in order to help coordinate the pushes/pulls, but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly as toys started exploring using their powers. Can we start with a couple easy ground rules, like PoPing someone off the ends of the queue or into the fire zone is extremely anti-town without a majority in favor?

On April 02 2012 01:56 layabout wrote:

Can't we just vote on whether or not to follow it?

If enough people (let's say 2/3rds (13 players)) agree then everyone else would have to agree to follow it. If anybody decides to go against the town's will then we can incinerate them

On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote:
Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =)

I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information.

I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item.

Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?!

On April 02 2012 04:04 Acrofales wrote:


I read that as in favour of getting the item, because a 1:1 trade is (usually) a town win (because more town than scum). It seemed to have the hidden mafia ability tagged on as an afterthought.

But why are you so uptight about it? You seem extremely eager to be taken off my scumlist. I was told last game (repeatedly) that overly defensive behaviour is a scum tell. Are you scum?

On April 02 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:
I'm glad to see everybody is so busy scumhunting today! For the record, is being for the secondary vote scummy or townie? Just so I know, because honestly I cannot use pro or contra the voting system in any useful way as a scumtell.

MrZentor: I think you're basically right. Pushing (or actually pulling) Palmar (or anyone for that matter) is atm a high risk, low reward situation and we'd be stupid to do it. Atm the only reason to push someone right to the edge is because we want to lynch him.

Therefore, anybody proposing to get the item is scum.

Cascade, Nemesis, Palmar, Layabout and Mr.Wiggles: why are you pushing a scum agenda?

On April 01 2012 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Zentor is very protown, but it's hard to really get anything alignment breaking out of it on the first page, pardon my triple posting

On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown.

On April 01 2012 13:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, let's get this started. I think we should try our best not to wind each other up this game.

Let's try not to throw our pushes and pulls around too liberally, or at least not anymore than we have to if we can. That means that we don't end up wasting a whole bunch of pushes and pulls that have the net effect of cancelling each other out because people disagree.

Though it's tempting, I don't think we should kill more than a couple people each day, barring anyone basically claiming scum. The last game ended with a whole bunch of people dying on day 2, so based on the probability of queue altering abilities, we should probably pull townie looking people, or people we don't want to die forward a little. Maybe keep them towards the middle of the queue, in case there's some kind of queue flipper.

What do you guys think about the item? Partway through day 1, we can decide on one person who we want to get it, and then who we want to push them and pull them back. The thing is, the people who do that have their voting powers nullified, so we need to decide on who would be best to do it to, and keep it organized, so no one "accidentally" goes off the queue.

I'm going to bed now. Feel free to post a lot while I'm sleeping. Don't toy with me.

On April 02 2012 08:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, BM, why do you think Palmar is a good candidate for getting the item? He hasn't done anything to show that he's town this game, and his only post is asking for the item. Considering many of the items can be good for scum as well as town, why do you want to pull him to the item with no reassurance that he's town? Why are you so quick to trust him?

On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote:

Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere.


Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power.


Yeah, so?

I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline?

As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes.

FoS: Nemesis.

(b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

On April 03 2012 01:02 Bluelightz wrote:
Sidenote: just noticed but rofl take out nemesis from the post where I said “nemesis and dirkzor come to mind".please forgive me ;;, and at nemesis's opinion on my role: I could say the same with the guy who can queue-flip (Palmar?)

On April 03 2012 02:05 layabout wrote:
Nemesis' push on Tobon look's very forced. It also does absolutely nothing to help us acheive town's goals.

It appears that risk is the Police car toy. If he is then he should probably tell us before we act because if that is his role then we need to use it to our advantage.
+ Show Spoiler [from game 1] +

We will also need to do something about Palmar.

We also need to decide if Bluelightz is really the person we want to kill since most of the pitchforks were out because of his posts from the first few hours of the game.

On April 03 2012 09:32 Snarfs wrote:
@Nemesis: Are your pulls supposed to move people 3 spaces as opposed to 2? Sorry if I missed this but I just want to confirm that this wasn't a counting error and/or some other effects are working here.

On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

On April 03 2012 02:15 Tobon wrote:
Okay, so Acro is NOT double wide. Which means that Nemesis is double strong or something after all (or I guess I could have some sort of super light and easy to push role - but that's not me). I was already suspicious of Nemesis, but how could him not explaining his push possibly be pro-town?

I'd like to see Nemesis lynched. I can't push him myself, and I can't push Palmar out of the fire either. Both of those would be what we'd need to do if we want to go that direction.

Meanwhile, still very interested in pulling syllogism or sbrubbles down and out of risk's range. Any objections or volunteers to pull sbrubbles?

On April 02 2012 13:59 Tobon wrote:

Seems unlikely, scum or town, wouldn't Nemesis have mentioned what was about to happen when it's his own action doing it?

Anyway, @VE: did you expect something interesting to happen with your "Hold on a second." push of Bluelightz, or are you that sure of your scum vote already? You and Bugs using up PoPs so early in the day bothers me, although at least there's been discussion on the target of them.

On April 02 2012 23:52 Tobon wrote:


I don't think Palmar is scum, I think it doesn't matter whether he is or not right now, if his survival is tied to using his ability in a town-positive way.

And BM's claimed role is identical to one of the toys in game 1, so I don't find it too unlikely.

I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either.

However, pushing him is still a bad idea right now. Because of the two-toys-fill-a-row bumping mechanic, the more spread out we toys get the more pushes it takes to get anyone into the fire zone. The worst thing we can do as good toys is to end up almost killing several suspects instead of making sure to get one or two.

On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?

On April 04 2012 13:11 Cephiro wrote:
My analysis coming up soon. Syllo is confirmed scum from my POV now. Nemesis, if that's a day-vig, I sure hope for your sake that you're ready to take the consequences if you fail.

On April 05 2012 02:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?

At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.

There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first.

On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.

Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.

I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.

Bill Murray is scum IMO.

Tobon is probably scum

anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?

On April 06 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:
We can treat our last kill just like a regular lynch and then everybody pulls the top target. It still has to happen before people start going to bed, so ##vote fast.

So far I have

Mattchew: Acrofales
Bluelightz: Layabout (counting your post as a vote)

On April 08 2012 00:15 prplhz wrote:

It's just not that simple. Why would scum act like Bluelightz? They're more likely to get lynched that way. Scum likes to do nothing if they can and that's what MrZentor looks like he's been doing. Now he's saying that he was just sitting and watching and he doesn't like to interfere, which is valid enough, but then I'm asking him why he didn't find anything. We're at day3 and all we have is a half arsed case on Tobon.

He looks like he doesn't want to get accused for anything which is how I think scum look. Bluelightz looks like he doesn't give a shit about being accused of being an asshole but it's hard to go from that and to "he's scum".

Do you think it's likely that Bluelightz faked a second charge on his power and then didn't use it today if he was scum?

On April 09 2012 13:14 Snarfs wrote:

You don't need to keep arguing with him. He's obv scum, look at his actions.

On April 09 2012 13:28 Snarfs wrote:
Sigh.

In case anyone needs a summary: Zentor, Nemesis, cascades and syllogism all just scum-claimed in thread. If we survive the night we kill them (somehow).

On April 09 2012 13:42 MrZentor wrote:
P.S Us being wrong about prphlz increases the odds of us being right about snarfs.