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On April 03 2012 06:43 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 06:39 Sbrubbles wrote:Ta-da-da-da! Sbrubbles is here to save the day! Or something! ##push visceraeyesNow seriously, I just got off from work, this weekend was crazy, I couldn't post at all and blah-blah-blah-no-one-cares. I'm still sorry, though  . Just finished reading the thread. I'll post my opinions soon enough, but for now, I see no point in leaving Palmar hanging. My read of him is mostly null (though the only game I played with him he played like he didn't care and was scum all along), but the being caught stranded the way he is convinced me he's town unless VE is actually scum and they're doing a crazy play to get everyone's trust (yeah, I doubt it). VE's plan sounds sound. @Sbrubbles : What is your reaction to risk.nuke's ability? Essentially means there is at least 1 scum in you, me & syllo.
If he was lying, he'd be risking a counter claim, since his role is known from the previous game. I think he's telling the truth. Admittedly, neither you nor syllo are strong scum reads in my book, though I think he feels scummier than you, so I'd vote for him if that was the case. I'm not gonna pull him yet pending the VE rescue, though.
Reasoning:
On April 02 2012 01:50 syllogism wrote:
The problem with free for all PoPing is that once someone throws down their vote, they can't get it back. If that is allowed, scum can throw away their vote while hasty townies can waste theirs. If we later reach a consensus on "lynching" someone, the votes may not be there and we'll gain less information as some people may have already used "their votes".
On April 03 2012 04:18 syllogism wrote:
##push Bill murray
Rereading cephiro first before I decide on my pull. Sbrubbles hasn't even posted which could be him not wanting to play due to rolling scum, but I really dislike lynching someone based on no information at all, besides the supposed role information.
Syllo makes his case for some secondary voting mechanism by criticizing that free for all PoP allows both town and scum to waste their PoP. Then he throws away his vote on BM randomly. Free for all posting doesn't mean town doesn't try to reach a consensus and he pushes regardless. Is he trying to make his point about organized secondary voting being better or throwing away his vote as scum?
His whole discussion with BM, questioning both the claim and game balance around it was an especially useless and space consuming discussion. BM's information isn't relevant for now and claim may or may not be true, but itself it wasn't scummish, so I don't see the point in dwelling in that.
Lastly he tries to buddy with you to quickly throw me down. No waiting for me to post? Just "pulling him because he hasn't posted yet"? At least it makes more sense than his BM push, but still, if I was gone for good, there would be reason to expect a replacement, so why rush on me?
Cephiro, aside from you trying to get me killed (though unlike syllo, at least you tried talking before using your PoP), I can't fault your play too much. You're mostly null to me, though you have your scum points. At the beginning of the game I would agree on your stance on getting Palmar the item, in that the items are so much more useful in the hands of scum that it isn't worth a 3/4 chance of town getting it.
But after he got close (before he was frozen), he just couldn't complete his task, which would be easy with a scum buddy, so I think he could be read as town. Threatening to off him is terrible play from a town perspective. It would lead the town in a bad direction (you'd be lynched if he turned green) and sounds like blackmail above all. That is scummish in my book.
Also, your overall agressiveness on Palmar seems a bit forced. Based solely on posting it's hard to argue he is anything.
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4:10 until day ends, right?
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On April 03 2012 08:50 Tobon wrote:
4:10 until day ends, right?
Yes, fairly sure that's the case.
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On April 03 2012 08:48 Sbrubbles wrote:
Cephiro, aside from you trying to get me killed (though unlike syllo, at least you tried talking before using your PoP), I can't fault your play too much. You're mostly null to me, though you have your scum points. At the beginning of the game I would agree on your stance on getting Palmar the item, in that the items are so much more useful in the hands of scum that it isn't worth a 3/4 chance of town getting it.
But after he got close (before he was frozen), he just couldn't complete his task, which would be easy with a scum buddy, so I think he could be read as town. Threatening to off him is terrible play from a town perspective. It would lead the town in a bad direction (you'd be lynched if he turned green) and sounds like blackmail above all. That is scummish in my book.
Also, your overall agressiveness on Palmar seems a bit forced. Based solely on posting it's hard to argue he is anything.
Good post overall, I hope you'll be contributing more soon.
I'd like to clarify a few things though. I did not threaten to kill Palmar after he was frozen, I did it before.
As you can notice, since then I have been pretty much in favour of rescuing him with the help of VE, although I have admittingly not used my PoP yet, but that's for a good reason.
As I admit earlier, I may have come out slightly too aggressive-looking, but at that point I was convinced there should be absolutely no reason why I should let Palmar get the item, and he looked very scummy to me. He is by no means confirmed town to me after his frozed-ness, but at the moment I believe that it is for the best of town to get him rescued out of there. Maybe he'll even start contributing something.
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##Push VisceraEyes
What is you guys' problem? I gave people a heads up so we didn't have any unfortunate accidents and then I went to prepare myself for bed. Jesus christ you're paranoid for absolutely no reason at all. What scum motivation is there for saying that I'm going to push somebody soon and then wait a little while to do it?
"What if it's just a decoy and currently making his way out to steal all of our cereal?"
@wherebugsgo I would really appreciate it if you would at least write out single sentences explaining why you are quoting my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "rofl" so it seems to me like you're just trying to get on my nerves and I don't want any part of that. Mostly, it seemed to me like you weren't thinking at all, you took things out of context and then instead of actually trying to use any arguments you just wrote "rofl" to ridicule me.
I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to.
Cephiro's early posts seemed very careful and I didn't understand his irrationaly fear of Palmar getting the item. This made me think he was scummier than Sbrubbles (who was just afk) and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet).
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prpl, you're the one turning this into a paranoia-fest. I'm just trying to be careful cause I don't wanna die <.< >.> O.O!
What about the assertion that syllogism has done very little to actually find scum?
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Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long?
I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post.
So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really?
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Okay, Ceph go ahead and push. Once I see it in-thread, I'll send the action to Ace and Kurumi. The moment you guys see confirmation in-thread (it's self-confirming) then Nemesis, go ahead and pull. BUT WAIT UNTIL YOU GET CONFIRMATION THAT I PICKED HIM UP.
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##Push VisceraEyes
Here we go!
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On April 03 2012 08:55 prplhz wrote:
##Push VisceraEyes
What is you guys' problem? I gave people a heads up so we didn't have any unfortunate accidents and then I went to prepare myself for bed. Jesus christ you're paranoid for absolutely no reason at all. What scum motivation is there for saying that I'm going to push somebody soon and then wait a little while to do it?
"What if it's just a decoy and currently making his way out to steal all of our cereal?"
@wherebugsgo I would really appreciate it if you would at least write out single sentences explaining why you are quoting my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "rofl" so it seems to me like you're just trying to get on my nerves and I don't want any part of that. Mostly, it seemed to me like you weren't thinking at all, you took things out of context and then instead of actually trying to use any arguments you just wrote "rofl" to ridicule me.
I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to.
Cephiro's early posts seemed very careful and I didn't understand his irrationaly fear of Palmar getting the item. This made me think he was scummier than Sbrubbles (who was just afk) and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging
I ask you why you're defending syllogism. You respond with:
I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to.
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syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet).
falls under:
Creating an excuse not to answer ("I'm feeling sick, I can't answer now.")[
I ask you whether the "yes" was to "are you defending syllo" or "are you calling syllo town" or both, no answer there.
Refusing to answer ("No comment.")
So, are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue dodging? Your day 1 effort in trying to find scum has been nonexistent, to say the least. Day 1 ends in 4 hours, and you've done nothing but meekly state we should lynch cephiro based on risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target.
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On April 03 2012 08:58 Cephiro wrote:
Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long?
I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post.
So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really?
CONTEXT
No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"?
I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline.
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On April 03 2012 09:10 prplhz wrote:
CONTEXT
No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"?
I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline.
I love how you keep dodging the question wbg points at you, just trying to focus on me. And the only thing that you have on me is that I seemed "afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Very convincing.
Why do you think wbg has convinced me? He brought up a very good point which I do agree with. That doesn't mean he has me in a leash or anything of the sort. In all honesty, you are digging your own grave with every new post you make. Do you honestly want to look what this looks like to me?
It looks like you're trying to divert the attention from your scumbuddy syllogism to a townie mislynch.
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prpl, out of curiosity - what makes you "trust (Palmar) to be town"? I mean, obviously I'm townie town-town, but why Palmar?
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On April 03 2012 09:10 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 08:58 Cephiro wrote:
Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long?
I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post.
So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really? CONTEXT No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"? I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline.
What is this, your fourth dodge?
Why don't you answer one simple question I ask of you?
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Day ends 3 hours, 37 minutes from this post!
VisceraEyes picks up Palmar
Current positions - Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +
24.[Item] [___________]
23.[___________] [___________]
22.[VisceraEyes/Palmar] [___________]
21.[___________][___________]
20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________] [___________]
18.[___________][___________]
17.[Mr.Wiggles] [cascades]
16.[Nemesis][Dirkzor]
15. [Bill Murray] [Mr.Zentor]
14. [___________][___________]
13.[Snarfs][Tobon]
12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz]
11. [Acrofales][layabout]
10.[Mattchew][Bluelightz]
9. [___________][___________]
8. [___________][___________]
7. [risk.nuke][syllogism]
6. [Sbrubbles][___________]
5. [Cephiro][___________]
4. [___________][___________]
3. [___________] [___________]
2. [___________] [___________]
1. [___________] [___________]
PoPs - Day 1
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Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz Push Dirkzor
VisceraEyes Pull Palmar Push Bluelightz
risk.nuke
Sbrubbles Push VisceraEyes
Dirkzor
Mattchew Pull Palmar Push VisceraEyes
Snarfs Push cascades Pull Palmar
Cephiro Push VisceraEyes
Tobon Push layabout Pull Cephiro
wherebugsgo Push Bluelightz
layabout
syllogism Push Bill Murray Pull Sbrubbles
Mr.Zentor
prplhz Push VisceraEyes
Acrofales Push VisceraEyes
Bill Murray Pull Palmar
cascadesPull Palmar
Palmar
Nemesis Push Tobon
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Word that son.
Pull away Nemesis.
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Gogogo Nemesis, use your strong powers to pull him into safety!
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Cephiro looks the best to me out of the risk.nuke trio. I like the way he's posting, and his tone, among other things.
I'm still trying to decide between Syllo and Shrubbles for who I think is scum between those two. I'm leaning syllo right now, based on their posting. He's done some pretty weird and contradictory things, that have already been pointed out multiple times by others. I'd actually like both him and Shrubbles to get in here and post more to defend themselves, though, as it would give me a much better read. Right now, my reads on those two are pretty weak. Like I said, syllo looks worse to me, but Shrubbles looks bad too with his complete lack of posts, jumping in on the palmar thing, and then a big post attacking the other two people he was checked with, but nothing else.
So, Syllo>Shrubbles, but I'd like them both to post more, so I can get a more concrete read.
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