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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Palmar has claimed "nullified" rendering him not able to be PoP'd...so I'm going on a rescue mission to save him. We need 2 pushes for me to be able to do this, and you should ask before acting to make sure you're not pushing me to death or something (unless that's your intent  ). If we're able to pull this off, we need to decide who to kill between Cephiro, Sbubbles and syllogism. It's going to be an eventful few hours guys. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Syllo or sbrubbles? I don't really like the play of either, it's hard to say from sbrubbles since he hasn't posted almost anything, and hasn't responded to my questions yet either. I don't really get a very towny-vibe from syllo though, and since I am fairly sure that risk's claim is true, I know that one, or even both of them are Evil. Opinions? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Syllo is a good lynch in my opinion - his argumentation has been based solely on outguessing the mod and setup speculation, which is poor play and not what I'd expect from syllogism (although he's knowledgeable enough to do it as town too )...his general apathy toward actually finding scum makes me tend toward sylloScum.Cephiro is onboard the Palmar rescue effort, which gives him points in my book, and his play hasn't like, REEKED of scum...I'm not sure how I feel about a Ceph lynch although he'd be the easiest bet being closest to the edge. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17993 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:16 Cephiro wrote: Well, in the meanwhile as we wait for one more VE-push to appear, what do you think about the possible pull-lynch? Syllo or sbrubbles? I don't really like the play of either, it's hard to say from sbrubbles since he hasn't posted almost anything, and hasn't responded to my questions yet either. I don't really get a very towny-vibe from syllo though, and since I am fairly sure that risk's claim is true, I know that one, or even both of them are Evil. Opinions? No. I disagree with both lynches atm. The case on Syllo seems to be just meta and I don't know him long enough to say anything. In GoT mafia he was disinterested and played a similar style, but he was town there (of course, he was a hydra with Sandroba, so not a very good read). The case for Sbrubbles was that he's a lurker and hasn't done anything useful. He seems to be back and posting more actively. I don't like Cephiro's tone, but that's not enough to lynch him over yet. If risk's claim is true then one of syllo, sbrubbles and cephiro is scum, but atm I don't know enough to decide. I am also unsure of believing risk atm, so I'd rather wait than mislynch. G'night. PS. At the top of the queue I have clearer reads, but I already used my push. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:26 Acrofales wrote: No. I disagree with both lynches atm. The case on Syllo seems to be just meta and I don't know him long enough to say anything. In GoT mafia he was disinterested and played a similar style, but he was town there (of course, he was a hydra with Sandroba, so not a very good read). The case for Sbrubbles was that he's a lurker and hasn't done anything useful. He seems to be back and posting more actively. I don't like Cephiro's tone, but that's not enough to lynch him over yet. If risk's claim is true then one of syllo, sbrubbles and cephiro is scum, but atm I don't know enough to decide. I am also unsure of believing risk atm, so I'd rather wait than mislynch. G'night. PS. At the top of the queue I have clearer reads, but I already used my push. Thank you for kindly strengthening my read on you.  | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, it kinda goes without saying that if we pull this off and save Palmar, everyone better be onboard with killing that dude tomorrow if he doesn't make with the contribution after all the effort. Just sayin. EBWOP: Totally agree. And I certainly don't want Palmar to be the person that goes for the item tomorrow if he lives. I hope he starts putting some actual effort in this game if he is as town as he claims to be. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On April 03 2012 01:02 Bluelightz wrote: Sidenote: just noticed but rofl take out nemesis from the post where I said “nemesis and dirkzor come to mind".please forgive me ;;, and at nemesis's opinion on my role: I could say the same with the guy who can queue-flip (Palmar?) Ok wtf, I never said anything about your role On April 03 2012 02:05 layabout wrote: Nemesis' push on Tobon look's very forced. It also does absolutely nothing to help us acheive town's goals. It appears that risk is the Police car toy. If he is then he should probably tell us before we act because if that is his role then we need to use it to our advantage. + Show Spoiler [from game 1] + Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the criminal catching Police Car Toy! You are a Good Toy. My my well aren't you one of the most popular Toys around? You're used to being the tools of little boys imaginations everywhere in chasing down the bad guys! That said you come with a homing beacon that can detect evil near you. You can trade your PoPing ability during the day to turn on your homing beacon. It will detect Bad Toys up to 2 queues above and below you by signaling a red light if any are in the vicinity. It will give you a false positive if at least 2 toys aren't available to be scanned. If you PoP anyone you can't use it during that same day. Once you have been PoPed your homing beacon will turn off. update note: This was updated to 1 position instead of 2. With only 4 scum and under 20 players 2 seemed way too powerful. You win by eliminating the Bad Toys. We will also need to do something about Palmar. We also need to decide if Bluelightz is really the person we want to kill since most of the pitchforks were out because of his posts from the first few hours of the game. Do you mind explaining why me pushing Tobon looks forced? I think he is scum and I want him to die. Also, if I got it right either sbrubbles or syllogism is scum from risk.nuke's dt check? If so, I'll be reading over their posts soon. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:35 Nemesis wrote: Also, if I got it right either sbrubbles or syllogism is scum from risk.nuke's dt check? If so, I'll be reading over their posts soon. In theory it is possible that I am scum, but I assure you I am not. From my perspective, at least one of sbrubbles or syllogism is scum, but there is a chance that both of them are. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
If we have enough pushes after the rescue mission (which hopefully will succeed), I'd suggest for cascades to be pushed into the flames. For the pull I stand by what I said earlier, I know that syllo or sbrubbles, or even both of them are scum, so I am fine with either. If one flips town, I know the other is scum for sure. (Well, there is a possibility that risk.nuke fakeclaimed, but in my opinion that is extremely unlikely.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 03 2012 08:03 Cephiro wrote: Still waiting for someone to come up with a push on you, and for people to tell their opinions about today's pull-lynch possibility. It should be even possible to get a push-lynch on top of that. If we have enough pushes after the rescue mission (which hopefully will succeed), I'd suggest for cascades to be pushed into the flames. For the pull I stand by what I said earlier, I know that syllo or sbrubbles, or even both of them are scum, so I am fine with either. If one flips town, I know the other is scum for sure. (Well, there is a possibility that risk.nuke fakeclaimed, but in my opinion that is extremely unlikely.) Why do people want you dead Ceph? I'd go back and look, but I'd like to know your take on it. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him. Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Why do people want you dead Ceph? I'd go back and look, but I'd like to know your take on it. Well, I don't know if there are that many persons that would want me dead, but I would assume if someone would want to kill me, then these would be possible reasons: 1) My strong stance against Palmar getting the item, even threatening to kill him if someone pushes him on the item. 2) I am playing well and the Evil Toys are starting to get afraid I might get something done. 3) I am playing horribly and Evil Toys are trying to get a mislynch on a bad townie. 4) People believe for whatever reason that out of Sbrubbles, syllogism and me, I am the most likely mafia player. 5) I have not claimed nor showed use of any kind of abilities yet. That's all I come up with for now. If I would have to guess, my strong stance against Palmar getting the item is one of the most likely reasons. But as said before, I had my reasons to doubt his town-ness, and I did not like at all how some persons were just ready to give him extra power based on his play up to that point. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. Yes we need help with the pony plan. Please push VE once. Also, I have at no point said that helping with the plan would make me any more town than anyone else. If you haven't noticed, I've been decently careful with the whole idea, but at the moment I believe it is the right thing to support. I am interested to hear why you would like to lynch me before syllo or Sbrubbles. And please don't give me a reason such as "You're 1 spot closer." | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Re: syllo - In a game where there's death around every corner by the way the queue is designed, not even factoring in possible powers, I don't buy the "imbalance" part of syllo's argument. Now, BM DID skip some spots on the queue, which corroborates the rest of his claim until proven otherwise through his actions (or inactions)...so for the time being, I believe him, though to a lesser degree than risk.nuke who has either designed a really elaborate fake-claim that involves the mod or actually is what he claims. Re: Cephiro - Yeah, I'm just throwing that in there because it's a factor in my reads...it's not substantial, but it's what I'm going on...he's actively playing for town if he's scum, and I'm okay with that right now. | ||
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