The Sum of All Fears Mafia

On March 26 2012 12:47 johnnywup wrote:
Oh never mind then.

So what's the point of having US and SU instead of just one 'faction' then?

On March 27 2012 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote:


What a perfectly useless "question"! Perhaps I have "quotation tourettes" and can't help "myself". Perhaps I'm "communicating" with my "scum-team" in code, in spite of the fact that if I were scum I'd have a "quicktopic" or something to "communicate" with them in.

Perhaps you're trying to appear to be helpful.

Perhaps you can comment on something useful.

Perhaps not. <3

On March 27 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, lying is situational and obviously we need to scrutinze any inconsistencies we find...but lynching by policy anyone found to have been untruthful about anything? Not today sir. Not ever as far as I'm concerned. If someone is scummy because they lied, they should be scummy for other reasons. If someone's lying is the only thing that makes them "scummy", then I'm not on-board with a lynch of said person. That's what I meant by "I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Policy lynches, on the whole, are a bad idea and allow scum to control the lynch.

On March 27 2012 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
In general, the quotations are there to emphasize that I doubt the words are sincere. For example, in the post you quoted, the word "scummy" is quoted because I don't feel like catching someone in a minor lie is enough to make them scummy alone, so I quoted the word scummy.

I have a conversational style of posting, so if you see a word in quotes, you should envision me making finger-quotes around any single words that are in quotes...if that helps.

On March 27 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think if I wanted to make unclear, nonspecific posts I could do better than I'm doing.

So no, that's not the intent at all. If it bothers you, I can try to tone it down, but I make no guarantees. I have a style of posting that works for me.

On March 27 2012 12:22 Nemesis wrote:

Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep.

Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate:
1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things.
2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change.
3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important.

Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics?

On March 27 2012 13:01 EchelonTee wrote:

new topic! sinensis do you think blzinghand's vote on nemesis is resonable or not?

On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,

I'm gonna take more looks at people,

Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.

IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up.

On March 27 2012 14:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Sinensis, what do you think of Blazinghand now with his vote on Johhny? also srsly cool down we're all friends ==".

On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now.
+ Show Spoiler [gg] +

On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:


Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is?

On March 28 2012 11:57 Blazinghand wrote:


Explain how the segregating names in his graphic based on nationality does anything to help scum or hurt town?

On March 28 2012 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Sinensis either knows something I don't, or literally doesn't understand the way nationality works. Nobody has claimed any nationalities, and nobody will. It's literally impossible to have a read on anyone's nationality at this point. Please sir explain your reasoning?

On March 28 2012 12:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

That was flavour only.

On March 28 2012 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:


Assuming CC is indeed town and not scum, I currently do not have a read on whether or not he is US or SU, and nobody who is reasonable does either.

On March 28 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:


Right, but you admit you don't know whether anyone is US or SU, and it's GOOD that this is the case. In any case C_C is probably scum, but JW is DEFINITELY scum. That being said, it's not unreasonable that they're both scum. I think JW is a better lynch than C_C for reasons I have outlined in my two analysis posts above.

On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:


bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.

##unvote
##vote: johnnywup

I'd say "come at me bro" but your argumentation skills are so benign I feel like any "pressure" you put on me will only serve to exonerate me.

On March 28 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, scum are trying to mislynch you Blue. No biggie, it happens ^^

On March 30 2012 07:13 froggynoddy wrote:


I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have):



Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing:

##Vote Sinensis

On March 30 2012 07:27 Nemesis wrote:
Ok fine you want a better case Sinensis. Besides bringing up useless topics, here is your most useful post:


1. he gives his opinion on Johnny's and blazinghand's play. But still notice what is missing? He doesn't take a stance on whether he thinks BH or Johnny is town or scum. Also says he will be watching BH towards the end of the day, but even at the end of the day he doesn't give his stance on BH's alignment.


2. Once again, he doesn't take a stance.


3. Tries to push for BH with WIFOM logic.



4. He doesn't take a stance on anyone except for C_C who everyone already thought was suspicious.

5. Conclusion: He is being non-commital with his play, and is just trying to avoid contact with everyone. He is not interested in scumhunting at all.

On March 30 2012 08:14 Nemesis wrote:
I'm not going after you for being a useless townie, I'm going after you because I think you are scum. You have played more than 2 games here, and you should know better than to be "useless" as town. Hence, why I think you are mafia. Compared to cccalf who has never played before.

Also your play here is quite different:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&user=45996
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996

In those other games, you are generally more helpful. You were trying to promote discussion, and doing some scumhunting of yourself. But this time you are literally just bandwagoning with easy votes.

On March 30 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:

Nuke is one-shot, sinensis

On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:

He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive.

On March 30 2012 10:52 Nemesis wrote:
What I am saying in there is that you didn't find his first post "fishing for nationalities" suspicious the first time around, but somehow his second post "fishing for nationalities" suddenly became suspicious. Why? Because you didn't find him suspicious at all in the first place.

I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign.

Cmon, where is everybody else?

On March 30 2012 10:56 Nemesis wrote:

No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to.

Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep.

On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.

The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.

Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him.

On March 30 2012 07:13 froggynoddy wrote:


I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have):



Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing:

##Vote Sinensis

On March 30 2012 12:47 gonzaw wrote:
So does that make him scum alone? Just because he voted you? Can you try and put a little bit more effort here?


And no, you didn't say you were suspicious of Zentor nor zeblade in your second post. This wouldn't have been important, if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed to try and buddy up with the guy that supposedly was suspicious to you.

On March 31 2012 12:55 johnnywup wrote:
if you dont vote with town you will die. you have more leaning room with me if i feel you're helping the town. voting for ccc isnt helping town. its a waste of vote since he's not doing anything, even if he is scum

On March 31 2012 13:03 johnnywup wrote:
i thought zentor didn't have enough people, so never mind with that.

sirensis, could you explain why you think ccc vote is better than zentor?

On March 31 2012 13:07 johnnywup wrote:
anyways, thats a valid excuse imo. don't fret, you've got a bunch of time to clear your name


also, i would like to know your thoughts on who you think is scum though. 4 scummiest people, in your opinion, and why?

On March 31 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote:



So you admit you sheeped VE then?
That means you think I'm "scummy" just because VE told you at the beginning of the game, right?
What do you think about me other than my first 4 posts? They don't matter or something?

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?


Okay, there are quite a few people here that think I'm scum, but no one is even trying to explain why.

If you think I'm scum and don't make a case, then you can't convince anyone to vote me.
If you think I'm scum, then by not making a case against me you don't allow me to defend myself and convince you that I am in fact town.
If you don't make a case, then we can't know if your reasons for thinking I'm scum are legit and you are town, or if they are not and you are scum.


You guys are hurting town by doing this one way or the other, so either make a case against me or pressure me, or just shut up about it and focus on more important things.
Of course, if you are scum just keep doing what you are doing, so it's easier to kill you later.
This includes: Sinensis, Zentor, ET, Blue, someone else I may have forgotten about.

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If you don't help town you should die.
There's ABSOLUTELY no reason for you not to try to cooperate with town and win if you are a townie. There's no reason for you to not post your thoughts, reads and cases, even if you think all of us are "idiots or scum".

Seriously, ever since D2 started, you haven't posted almost any reads, and posted almost 0% reasoning behind the ones you did post.
And this doesn't have anything to do with your vote on cccalf.

On March 31 2012 13:12 gonzaw wrote:



What do you think about his behaviour on this Day 2 then? You can't really say he contributed more than c3 on D2, even though c3 hasn't posted anything yet.

On March 31 2012 13:19 johnnywup wrote:

I dunno, all he's done is call people idiots and say gonzaw is scum without any reason. then he scumclaimed (im going to say it was sarcrastic but i dunno, either way i think its scumtell). then the "something will happen" then "laughter" tells me he's in contact with people (qt) and theres some sort of power role that will cause trouble.

On March 31 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
that was pretty funny XD

i know ccc isnt helping with town, but if hes not posting in the thread hes not helping scum either (i agree hes probably scum). we should attack someone who IS actively helping scum, or trying to.

On March 31 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
ladies and gentlemen, i present our host!

lol

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Is situational voting allowed? In C9++ they weren't, so wondering

If they are allowed, I'm willing to vote for c3 if he votes and posts today, or if there is enough interest in it. at the moment zentor or ccc are ok votes by me.

and its very likely they're bussing him if hes scum, which i think he is.

Voting List (Updated up to March 31 2012 08:34)
[Format] Player with vote on him/her will be bolded; player with the majority will be red.

MrZentor (7): gonzaw, slOosh, EchelonTee, zelblade, johnnywup, froggynoddy, Nemesis

cccalf (2): Sinensis, Bluelightz

Sinensis (0): Nemesis froggynoddy

Not voted
MrZentor
cccalf

On March 31 2012 14:14 Nemesis wrote:

It's called bussing, and I doubt you've never heard of it. Seeing how zentor has been acting, I doubt they would even try and save him at this point.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus

On April 01 2012 07:04 Nemesis wrote:
I HATE YOU MRZENTOR! D:

/nothing personal

On April 01 2012 14:45 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:

@Sinensis: What "analysis" are you talking about?

On April 01 2012 14:59 gonzaw wrote:
What do the votes have to do with anything?

What about behaviour? What about posting style? What about people's reads and the reasoning they put behind them?