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Pushing for a really active talkative discussion based town, get rid of the lurkers and people who aren't contributing to make it harder for mafia to hide and to force them into posting (and making mistakes). Breaking the curse, go. | ||
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Completely agree that a no-lynch on D1 is a terrible idea, at worst we get an inactive, useless town member, at best we hit a random mafia attempting to hide amongst lurkers. As for things noticed so far, Nova_Terra from the last game was an extremely active town member, pushing multiple suspicions and lynches and generally being as pro-town as possible. Inclined to believe town alignment unless the behaviour differentiates from this as the game progresses. Not enough info yet to pick up on anything suspicious, hard to get a decent D1 lynch in, but lets keep the thread active and progressing, try and stay away from repeating things that have already been said and making posts with no real content to them. | ||
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On March 22 2012 23:56 Nova_Terra wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote: Another thing I learned from last game and I think Nova_Terra will agree with me is, making connections (or anti-connections) between players is absolutely useless until the town flips its first scum. Keep track of it for all means, just no need to post it until scum is flipped and it can be used with case analysis (can't stand alone as a case). Cause you can literally find these connections between most players, its just the nature of the game, and the town trying to work as a team. Yeah, you are totally right, and i think i have learned that now too. Also, another point against not posting Connection Cases is that it alienates people and if you are town and at least 1-2 of them are town, they are less likely to vote alongside you if you put them as a possible scum connection. If one does flip scum, THEN post your connection analysis. As expected, i went back through our list and everybody had posted. If we are going to lynch a lurker, we'll have to keep track of filters over the next day. I should think that Seviro will be here soon, believe he said something about posting "tomorrow" I noticed you were very quick to anger, especially if someone made a post directly against you. Didn't follow the game to it's conclusion but I'll re-read it later tonight and see who were the ones provoking you, because the town atmosphere in that game got destroyed pretty quickly. Nice to see even with over 24h left on D1 that most people are posting, less lurkers and more active posters the better so we can weed out the mafia instead of taking shots in the dark. Back in a few hours, some work to do then travel home, food etc. | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:33 Gossemerr wrote: AND, I was right (and so was Nova)! But sadly, we didn't keep pushing ha. If we are going to lynch a lurker lets put some pressure now and not waste time. So far Ninja4ever and Rise Of Fenix of yet to post anything really; however, Ninja did say he was going to post later. ##Unvote: Mementoss ##Vote: Rise Of Fenix On March 22 2012 14:14 Rise Of Fenix wrote: well, you posting first probably eludes you being mafia and drawing unneeded attention to yourself. That is not to say that this could be a fake out, but I am inclined to believe you are town. Who else would like to speak up? On March 23 2012 05:33 Gossemerr wrote:I don't understand his only post. He contradicts himself by saving that BlueyD was probably mafia, but thinks he is town in the next sentence? Suspicious to me. Just to clarify, he doesn't say BlueyD was probably mafia, he says he's probably NOT mafia. It's just really badly worded. "eludes you being mafia", terrible english but saying that he's probably not mafia. Would like to push the people who have hardly posted/haven't posted yet into at least making themselves known, if not we can pretty much assume they are not going to be useful to town, and are more likely to be mafia than those who have been outspoken so far. Namely the 3 listed in the list above. Will make a thorough post during/after work tomorrow and we can settle on a lynch target, night all. | ||
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1. Rise of Fenix 2. sc2system 3. Ninja4ever I'm going to ignore the other discussion (Artanis on Seviro, Seviro on Artanis) because I feel the original case is a weak case at best, especially for D1, the "defence and return case" back onto Artanis is a bit suspect, becuase if you're playing town you'd only want to defend yourself, not throw an accusation back and potentially enter an argument that is going to waste time and space in the thread. However, there are definitely better options at this point in time. I'll give my views but with a large gap between my last post and this, and it being so close to the end of the day I will be unfortunately repeating quite a few already made points, unavoidable on day1. Rise of Fenix IMO the best case for the poster with the least content, serious amounts of 2-3 line posts and hardly any content. Stuff like this for example is absolutely useless, and either has been said previously to him saying it or just has no place: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:35 Rise Of Fenix wrote: I prefer not to vote now because I think that until everyone has given their opinion, everyone else deserves equal suspicion. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:39 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Trust me, my vote would be at you, but I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There is no unlynch in this game right? All lynch votes are final. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:48 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Oh I didn't know that. But I still have no person picked to lynch yet. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:58 Rise Of Fenix wrote: No lynch is LITERALLY the scummiest thing to do. No lynch only helps scum. I'd struggle to count useful words from all of that, never mind a useful sentence. This quote also really bothers me and just reeks of desperation: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 05:36 Rise Of Fenix wrote: give me another chance, please. I will make up my terrible play today tommorow. Along with the fact one of his first statements was him saying someone is town purely because they made the first post in the game, and the fact that there is almost 30 hours between two of his most content filled posts that are even remotely useful to the game, makes him a major suspect for me. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 14:21 Rise Of Fenix wrote: My points: I dont think I was thinking straight, and reading over my posts I have really been really playing terribly. Im sorry. However, I think it is time for a little bit of analysis. As I was suspicious of Michaelthe earlier, and then was backed up by froggy. Michael the never defended himself. I think that this is reason enough to lynch him, but until he defends himself I wont. Apologises for his terrible play, then says it's "time for analysis", which consists of an entire line and a half. Conclusion; I feel we'll get the most information out of a Rise of Fenix lynch, even if he does flip town. I think he's scum though. sc2system Shows VERY similar play to Rise of Fenix, low quality/content posts, lots of avoiding and excuses. Two things that are really irking me is how he's been throwing his vote around, and how quickly he dropped off Rise of Fenix, even though others were keeping the pressure on, as we see here; + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 22:49 sc2system wrote: Haiiii, Here is my aweosme post: Even though there are other people that don’t contribute or contribute as much as Rise of Fenix I feel that he should be lynched the first day. He does try to “contribute” but the problem is he seemingly tries to help but ends up confusing the town. I would redraw my vote if he can come up with something that puts town in the right direction instead of confusing us more. I am not contributing a lot because most of the things I want to say are already said and I don’t want to be accusing people on bad arguments because that just ruins the game and complicates it. ##Vote: Rise of Fenix His "Awesome" post that we'd waited over 12 hours for since he first said he was going to give us a decent view on something, and all he does is lightly talk about rise of fenix's play, but the bolded part really annoys me. If you're using your vote to apply pressure, you don't say you'll withdraw it at the first sign of "townie" play, said pressured person can just jump on the bandwagon, or if the bandwagon is on them just try and divert attention to a lurker. Extremely suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 05:58 sc2system wrote: Hai all, I am withdrawing my vote for Rise Of Fenix because I said in my post that if he starts caring more about the game that I will withdraw it. That is one of the reasons I posted my vote very early so he can read it and decide If he is going to try to help the townies. If I am right the mafia will not all vote for the same person becuase that would make them stand out. I have seen some posts before when people accuse other people and others agree but not all of them vote, and they dont even accuse anyone else after that. (Hope you understand if you need a explenation of what I tried to say just ask [english is not my first language]). ##Vote: No Lynch And I did write that I like to confuse people but that is only when they use invalid arguments that ruin the game. For example if we all vote on X becuase Y was killed by the mafia and Y accused X the previous day. This is an invalid argument so this is when I like to inverse the logic and I say: What if the mafia wanted us to think that and they get a double kill, or what if they knew that we knew that and they just did the first step. Confused? Good. And this only works with invalid arguments. Hope that is all I wanted to say... All this post does is withdraw his vote on Rise of Fenix because he apparently made some town-like posts. but reading his filter, I can't see anything town-like, and others have been keeping up the pressure on him. The stupid amount of vote switching is also extremely suspect as we see here, after the rise of the fenix vote and the no lynch we have; + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 06:02 sc2system wrote: Ups forgot to write: ##unvote: Rise Of Fenix + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 06:03 sc2system wrote: ok if you say so: ##Vote: Virtu but if he posts a good post that is helpfull I will unvote him. This last one for me, is huge. I've bolded the main thing I found suspect, His FOURTH vote or unvote was made PURELY because someone else changed their vote. He could quite easily have put "this is correct, virtu hasn't posted in X hours, so i will also change my vote", but all we get is an "ok if you say so?" Also, Seviro's post at 06:00, sc2system's at 06:03? a bandwagon post 3minutes later, seems extremely scummy to me, especially considering he has had large periods of inactivity/useless posting. Conclusion: I feel there is a better case for lynching sc2sytem than there is rise of fenix Ninja4ever I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though. Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now. Personally I think both sc2system and Rise of Fenix are both scum, but my vote is going to; ##Vote: sc2system | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:15 Ninja4ever. wrote: Was this list purely based on inactivity ? If not, would you mind telling what made me into your list to begin with, so I can defend myself ? Well, we're on the same boat my friend : we came up late and had to speak on subjects that were discussed pretty much to death before us. kinda hard to add new content in this case. About the lynching lurker part, that's pretty much our day one plan (pressure lyncher or someone really suspect), seemed natural to me to at least give my thoughts on it. Hope it helped clear things a bit. Kind of. It was a mixture of Bad posting quality and inactivity, but you were pretty much on the list due to inactivity at the time. The only reason I would still consider you is because of your wishy-washy posting around subjects that have already been brought up. Instead of doing this, you should accept the fact that a lot of things are going to be repeats, and just write your thoughts down in your own words, with your own thought process. You might help someone else see things in a different light etc. If you don't then you just look scummy, which for all I know, you could be, time will tell. Also on D2 i'd like to jump back to the Artanis/Seviro thing, i feel it kinda came out no-where, might have been pressure for the sake of mixing things up and be pro-town but i'm not convinced. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:31 Ninja4ever. wrote: Haha, so when we repeat too much stuff that makes us look scummy (see seviro case), and the same goes when we don't ? Seems quite problematic to me ! :p I've already said that i felt the Seviro was weak, and yes it is problematic but that's a side effect of day1. This is why i've concentrated on the two people we have other reasons to look at, and not you who was purely on there due to at-the-time inactivity. | ||
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##Unvote: sc2system ##Vote: Rise of Fenix | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:57 BlueyD wrote: Note: I haven't vote counted, but I'm still here for a few hours (MLG yay!) and will switch for Rise if we need a majority when the time limit gets near, but I would much prefer to see sc2master lynched. I would also prefer this, however some of the people who have voted Rise of Fenix have gone to bed, so I think there's little chance of that. Unless things dramatically change, my vote for tomorrows lynch will be on sc2system anyway, so a rise lynch is better than a nolynch. | ||
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##Unvote: Rise of Fenix ##Vote: sc2system | ||
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##Unvote: sc2system ##Vote: Rise of Fenix | ||
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On March 25 2012 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd also like to see Virtu post some more. Came up with analysis on RoF, sc2system and Ninja4ever on one post but haven't seen too much from him other then that. Hasn't really given his opinion on anything that could be considered controversial, just on lurkers/bad posters which are easy prey. I'm slightly more inactive than I'd like to be, I joined after GMarshal said that we most likely wouldn't start until after the end of MLG under the presumption that this would be the case, but as it's started before, MLG has taken up most of my attention so far. To be honest I haven't said much else other than my views on Ninja4ever, sc2system and RoF because there hasn't been much else going on. Almost the entirety of day 1 was focused on sc2system/RoF, and the discussion since has been weak/substantial cases at best, because EVERYONE has been focused on sc2system/RoF cases. Anything made since has just been "I notice you've not posted on anything other than X, why is this?". As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Considering I personally have been more inactive than I'd have liked, checking through the filters, my posts are lager and more substantial than... ##FoS: Gossemerr Will post more analysis in a few hours as Grubby Naniwa is about to start, but if you check his filter there is alarmingly low content/quality of posts. He did start the RoF bandwagon rolling, however it was an obvious play to make, RoF's posting was obviously sub par, and what better way for a mafia to hide than to start a lynch on a weak townie? The rest of the posts are one liners, or are following other people's thoughts shortly after they've posted them, basically agreeing. As said will expand the case asap. | ||
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On March 25 2012 17:10 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah, If you are the vig artanis you should have waited. We could have had a free mafia death at some point. At least, sc2system was relatively worthless, so it should be a bit easier to go scumhunting. It sucks he flips green but I think we'd have had a really hard time convincing people to lynch someone other than him tonight. Making statements like he enjoys confusing people, and voting for no lynch on day1 when everyone agreed that's probably the worst possible town outcome? As you said, should make it easier to scumhunt now. Onto Gossemerr... + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 15:06 Gossemerr wrote: Three hours is not cause for alarm at the start of the game ha. Lets get this rolling. ##Vote: Mementoss Only because you outplayed us so hard last game. Prove you are town this time! Almost as pointless a post as RoF/sc2system were making, I think we can all agree. You then push RoF, quite early on, because of one post, and your case exists of One line. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 05:33 Gossemerr wrote: AND, I was right (and so was Nova)! But sadly, we didn't keep pushing ha. If we are going to lynch a lurker lets put some pressure now and not waste time. So far Ninja4ever and Rise Of Fenix of yet to post anything really; however, Ninja did say he was going to post later. ##Unvote: Mementoss ##Vote: Rise Of Fenix I don't understand his only post. He contradicts himself by saving that BlueyD was probably mafia, but thinks he is town in the next sentence? Suspicious to me. | ||
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On March 28 2012 20:49 Mementoss wrote: Alright I don't really understand the night kill, so let me go through a couple situations I thought of. WIFOM. Virtu seemed like the obvious pick. Why wouldn't you want to kill someone thought up as "confirmed" townie? This label helps town eliminate someone who is off there radar for scum hunting. A) Virtu's claim is fake, and/or mafia had a night vig for 2kp night one somehow. It seemed weird how the kill flavour were both identical. -> Our whole game thus far has been based on this one claim, it's closed setup and we have no idea how many of what roles there are. It seems like a mistake in a closed game to make this assumption. However, it is too risky to go back on what we have already decided to be truth. Therefore, if A) is true we the town have already lost. My Claim? please clarify then I can respond whilst I have time. | ||
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So I'll leave an explanation as to my absence from this thread in a spoiler (for those that hate "life story" things); + Show Spoiler + My sister works as a paramedic, in the early hours of Sunday night she was called out to an incident in the town centre, she and her fellow co-worker were attacked by a 'gang' of male youths and left hospitalized in quite a bad way. I've spent the last 2 days with her and she's stabalized, back at work today with 2 days of work to catch up on, when I get home tonight I should have time to make a post or two. After explaining this to the powers that be I was asked if I could continue playing instead of a replacement being used, which I agreed to. I'll just say it now, I'm Vanilla Town. I won't be able to contribute as much as I'd like to and I don't want my unfortunate situation to affect the Town's chances of winning by being lynched due inactivity. At the very least i'll make sure I don't get modkilled, at the most i'll analyze and post about everyone still alive. Extremely sad my first game of mafia has been like this, been lurking reading full mafia games for a while. I have a lot of reading to catch up on from the thread and I'll try and post my thoughts tonight, Town we can still win this with some good play. | ||
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On April 03 2012 00:55 Nova_Terra wrote: virtu who would you have voted for? xD BlueyD, purely because I had literally zero chance to even read the thread over the last few days, so I decided to follow Mementoss (my strongest town read up to my absence). I did however think you were scum since the end of day 2, because the game I followed the most was the last mini mafia and your first game, and saw your play there. Even toning things down from that game your play was entirely different. Well played though! | ||
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