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Anyway for those interested, Weekends (beginning on Thursday night) are much worse for me than weekdays, but I still should be around in some capacity at all times. | ||
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On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote: Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured. Acrofales + Show Spoiler + As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable) Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place? I see gumshoe never fails to deliver. I think everyone needs to cool their jets on this Acrofales thing, let's let him respond at least. Ya, dig? | ||
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On March 22 2012 02:55 Lyter wrote: Really? You haven't actually done anything other than point fingers so far, with literally nothing to support yourself The ever infallible "NO U" defense... | ||
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On March 22 2012 03:25 GreYMisT wrote: No one gets a "free pass", not in a game that i'm in. Im not going to let someone who posts like that live for long, especially if its on the basis of, Oh he will probably get better, dont worry about it. Certainly not giving him the free pass, just saying given the information we have right now I would feel uncomfortable lynching him given this is how he has begun every game I've played with him, and he was town both times. | ||
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On March 22 2012 05:18 OriginalName wrote: Nobody said we had to lynch him but you seem to be keen on keeping any pressure at all off of him. At the same time all your doing otherwise has been making snarky comments I was responding directly to this: On March 22 2012 03:02 risk.nuke wrote: Who wants to kill gumshoe? yey or ney? As far as Acrofales, it's always tough to tell the difference between noob town and scum, but his posts seem indicative of being reprimanded in the scumQT, resulting in the change of attitude. Not a bad choice if I had to vote right now. Fortunately we have a little time. | ||
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Oberyn where are you? You've contributed nothing but a few questions to various people that went largely unanswered and you haven't been back. Who do you find most suspicious at the moment? | ||
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I'm not getting hung up on the one liners, playing with him for the tail end of a game previously leads me to believe that it's just his style, but he is someone who tends to act on more solid cases than the Acro case. | ||
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On March 22 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote: truly it doesn't make a difference to me who dies. But, I'd like to help town because chances are mafia will get their kills. I want to keep the numbes even of course! That means I want to lynch mafia and I hope no doctors save townies  ofc I can't cntrol doctors but I can help you guys lynch mafia. Make sense? So your win con is centered around the number of people that die this game? | ||
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Anywho it's over now for good. So we can stop worrying about. My apologies. Carry on. | ||
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On March 22 2012 12:05 SamuelLJackson wrote: Gumshoe makes 3 retarded posts in a row, all of which seem genuine and if he was scum I'm pretty sure someone would have filled him in/raged at him, because that ought to rise suspicion from the jubjubs that think not having a clue=scum. Him and acro are the easy day 1 lynch bait that scum love to cast suspicion on. This. So much this. | ||
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@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though. @chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet. @Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows: - Identify the 2 most common lynch targets. - Place them into your lynch list. Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why. @DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later. Some final thoughts: - I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed. - I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head. - As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post). | ||
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Moving on the person I'm the most suspicious of is Alderaan. First off he suggested town back off me and acro until we responded, even though the odds of that were minimal considering that we were the two best cases at the time as was, the reasoning against us were not at all bad, there was no harm in pressuring us. Gum, I have spent the last 2 games I've played with a town that was dominated by a mistake you made early in the game that made you scummy. I wasn't stifling discussion, I just did not want the town environment be such that people could just come in, say the found acro and gumshoe suspicious and be on their merry way (which the thread had degenerated into). + Show Spoiler + Yet Alderaan suggests we back off but doesn't suggest a new topic, just says wait, well I was busy and if town had decided to wait until I was back to discuss my lynch we would have wasted a day, Aldaraan just shut down discussion, only later does he introduce his suspicion of Mattchew, but at the time he just told us to chill out. I'm still pretty certain that Acro is scum, but even if he is there really is very little risk involved in the way Alderaan defended Acro, because he defended me as well which means he comes off looking like a great mediator instead of someone protecting other scum I didn't suggest taking the pressure off you, I just wanted people to allow a response before they made up their mind. Talk about wasting time, imagine if everyone had gone along with the "either gumshoe or acro" lynch possibilities and then you flipped green, not only are we wasting a day, we are wasting a lynch. As for the rest of your post, I think you're trying to meta me entirely too hard. I'm playing more passively, maybe, but there hasn't been a whole lot to discuss yet. Not a lot of information to go off. | ||
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"Dominated" above is in reference to the town's discussion was dominated by an early mistake. | ||
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That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts. Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day..... Right..... | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:25 gumshoe wrote: you mean me go blue fishing? For the record I know Grey mist was wrong about me, but that doesn't make his pressure scummy, maybe he just didn't look too much into it and called out what he thought was scummy play? The point is he's too good to over look that in my eyes. | ||
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@ DoYouHas - Again, I think you're meta'ing me too hard. I agree I've been lurkish this game, I've been a little bit busier than I originally anticipated. @ Anyone that is clearing Layabout of suspicion. What have you seen from him to sway you otherwise? I just don't get it. He hasn't posted ANYTHING of substance. (That's not an exaggeration, it's literally been nothing.) Frankly I expected much more from SLJ, so much so in fact that I think I'm willing to say that their play has been scummy thus far. They have provided such little to the town and have been extremely ambiguous in their pressures (Chaoser namely). | ||
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Evantrees- I mean what is there to say. He's got 6 posts, none of which with any substance. He think's you're scummy for reasons that he doesn't list and points a vig shot at you. I'm not sure if it's scummy, but as of now he's lurking the hardest out of anyone in the thread. Xatalos- I'm getting noob town. I mean he wants to vote you for being aggressive, that's a bad play, but aside from that he's been generating discussion lately, and staying active. Not someone I'd feel comfortable lynching right now. @Layabout- The reason I voted for you is because you have been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town, and I didn't need Sandroba to tell me that... | ||
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I'll go into a little bit more detail on your case against me since I'm here for a little bit. Your main point revolves around the idea that given last game I should be more active than I am. Unfortunately I have not had the time to really provide a substantial amount to the thread thus far (This seems to be clearing up in coming days). You then say that I was wishy washy on Acro. You're right. I was. But admittedly so, I said from the very beginning that I'm not sold on the issue, the point of that post was to say he's either noob town and realized his mistake, or noob scum and reprimanded in the scumQT. His posting to me after the initial pressure indicated that the former was the case. As for the whole "stirring and cooling" thing, here's my thought process. I'm having a tough time getting a strong scum read on anyone, particularly some of the front-runner cases in the thread right now. What I was doing was trying to involve people in discussion that hopefully was not about only gumshoe and Acrofales. The suspicion that I cast was just that, suspicion. I wanted to force some reactions to help my reads. | ||
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On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote: My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands. But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it. Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off. Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it. Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan? About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense. I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness. As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions: - Suspicious of Xatalos - Suspicious of Evantrees - Suspicious of Oberyn - Suspicious of Nicholas - Suspicious of Gumshoe - Suspicious of me - No longer suspicious of Oberyn. How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ. Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 20:56 layabout wrote: I wanted to replace into this game because I <3 these books and this game both of which are of epic proportions. But i may be alive in another game (or two) I think that we should kill one of these two because the first people to call bull on a claim are scum a hugely disproportionate amount of the time. + Show Spoiler + I seem to remeber BC telling me this in strom mafia only for him to discover that everyone on our team other than him had pounced on redFF's tracker claim already I suppose it's because scum want to encourage poor discussion spread distrust or push their agenda.. blah blah. Nicholas + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 21:27 layabout wrote: Is directly asking for a role claim scummy? I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is. cough Nicolas cough | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:44 layabout wrote: Who do you honestly think we should lynch? Since apparently voting for you is enough to earn your vote i am pretty sure it is not me. Otherwise, that votecount is so horrendous and open to manipulation it might be best to mass switch to Nicolas so that we don't lose two townies. Am I wrong in assuming that Nicholas will be replaced and not modkilled? | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:56 chaoser wrote: i am not jeremy lin That's good. Inconsistency really hurts the town. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:24 risk.nuke wrote: Yes and no. Layabout is on 5, greymist is on 4. But layabout is such a incredibly dumb lynch I can't see the town not changing from him shortly (just need some more activity). Altough to be fair layabout was still a better lynch then most previous candidates because it will atleast provide some information on the people voting. However it's still terrible and dumb as hell since the case on layabout was he was slightly lurking and mostly meta. aka not playing as well as he should. Which isn't even no longer the case because he's come back and posted some sensible stuff. Can you point me to where these productive posts from Layabout are? I have no idea what you're talking about.... | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:55 risk.nuke wrote: if layabout was mafia, mafia could so easily save him and kill greymist right now. Unless you think the entire scumteam is already on greymist. Could that not work the other way around? | ||
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Risen doesn't mention Layabout ONE TIME prior to him voting for Greymist, then all of a sudden Layabout is guaranteed scum? Yeah right... I'm just surprised they used the same excuse as to why they switched to him... | ||
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On March 25 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote: Also aldeeran just saying X is scum, and coloring my name red does not make it so. if it did mafia would be a lot easier. Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night. | ||
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On March 25 2012 06:50 GreYMisT wrote: Just cutting it off at the pass as it were. Why am i scum again? - You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe. - Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn. - Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game. - You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect. - You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets). As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:16 Risen wrote: nou How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered. Greymist even admitted you were buddying him. It's really obvious and I'm eating cereal right now. If you live through the night (which you shouldn't) I'll give you a detailed explanation. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + YOU SWITCHED TO LAYABOUT WITHOUT EVEN SAYING HIS NAME, ONLY BECAUSE HE SWITCHED TO GREYMIST. YOU DID THE SAME FUCKING THING. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:37 Risen wrote: EBWOP no support response to me calling him out for switching with no support. His reasoning is that two other people seem to think greymist is scum No supporting evidence in here either. So you want to tell me exactly where he provided any valid reasoning? Oh, there is none. You're also failing to acknowledge that he has already flipped town... | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:44 risk.nuke wrote: Btw townies, do you know how sad it is that the most pro-town person besides myself is the third party. Townies do you understand waht that means? Can you fathom how lousy you're playing. I wish the mafia would kill me tonight you so I don't have to play with you useless lurkers, morons and dumb-posters anymore. I read this in the voice of a 13 year old on Call of Duty. | ||
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On March 25 2012 09:08 risk.nuke wrote: Evantress had a wagon going on him, knowing his flip will give us information from that wagon. He was lurking and providing nothing.... of course there was a wagon on him... | ||
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Is anyone planning on voting Acro? That's what I thought.... ##Vote: Risen Greymist is next.... | ||
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I have a couple more hours to tie up some loose ends and I'll catch up on the past 5 pages. | ||
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I think if Risen is scum (which I believe he is) then he played his DT claim at the perfect time. We've been discussing it for nearly 40 hours now, when he's almost assuredly going to be lynched. All this has done is stifle town discussion about anyone else. Where has the discussion about Greymist been? The way the voting unfolded on Day 1 I think he is almost more scummy than Risen. He's gone fairly inactive during Day 2 (but I don't really have any room to talk about that) but there is one post of interest: On March 27 2012 00:57 GreYMisT wrote: I personally am suspicious of risk.nuke. What he is doing seems exactly like what happened for the majority of election mafia. For those of you who had not read that game Risk made a case on me day1, and then relentlessly pushed it down everyone's throats. The difference in these 2 instances is that in that game his reasons were somewhat founded. Anyone who actually reads the case on me this game by him will see it is almost completely based on my "Lying" about my joke at the start of the game. My feeling is that he is trying to emulate his play from election mafia, in an attempt to appear so aggressive that he has to be a townie. He keeps bringing up risk.nuke's admittedly poor criticisms of him. It's becoming almost a straw man for him. risk's case against him has never been, and will never be the most damning evidence of Greymist being scum, and most of the thread realizes that, yet Greymist continues to use this "meta tunnel" argument as a tool to cast suspicion. @Mattchew- You seem to think that Risen my actually be DT. Is that accurate, and if so who would you rather vote for? Currently your vote is still on Risen... | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:16 Mattchew wrote: If risen is detective, he is either dead or roleblocked tonight anyway. My hope is that we can actually get a 1 for 1 out of this situation, and the only way to do this is flip both risen and acro. Right now im voting Risen because I don't want any scum picked candidate being lynched. Ok that makes sense, I must have missed where that was being discussed. The only wrench in that plan is if he flips vanilla townie, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Where the fuck have gumshoe and lyter been? | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote: Aha, this is where it gets good, and if you'd had read the thread properly, you'd see I had pretty sound reasoning for this: Why on earth if he said this, and he was DT, didn't he check Mattchew last night? It makes no sense whatsoever, instead he claims he checked Acro, and backed up his argument by saying he thought a rolechecker should check Mattchew (derp) Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG: On top of which, he completely avoids answering my direct question: Not to mention calling me and others scum with very very little to no evidence to back up his claims: The only argument he's made against anyone is the whole "I'm DT, lynch Acro" Doesn't this smack you as mindbogglingly stupid? Risen is the lynch we should make today, with absolutely no exceptions, he is super scummy. I'd really like Risen to respond to this. I have a thought but I don't want to say anything prior to his response. | ||
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My scum team at this moment is: - Greymist - For reasons stated throughout the whole thread. - One of Acro/Risen- Probably Risen Then it get's sketchy. Conventional wisdom would suggest there's a lurker skating through. I kind of like OriginalName for that, due to his constant contradictions. - He's lurked as hard as anyone while chastising SLJ for not wanting to play. - Hours from posting how much he hates throw away votes, instead of voting for one of the 2 main candidates day 1, he votes for a lurker, and admits he's wasting his vote. - All of his rants about being indecisive strike me as trying to hurry the town into a decision, I hate that attitude. It's a bully tactic to get votes onto the people that he "finds suspicious". Doesn't sit well with me. - On the back of the last point, he's constantly telling people how to play "Still hiding information, there is no use for town in this". There are situations in which one would not divulge all information, he's said himself he's been around as long or longer than anyone else, it seems like he should know that. - Apparently I'm the only one that finds Greymist scummy, but if you Control+F his one page filter and look for Greymist he hasn't even addressed him once. For those that have played with OriginalName before: Is this kind of behavior typical? | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote: In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid. Why are you worried about it? If you think Risen is scum you should have no problem with people voting for him for the wrong reasons. The ends justify the means | ||
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On March 27 2012 05:11 Curu wrote: OriginalName has been replaced by Jitsu. Whelp..... | ||
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I think you missed it. On March 27 2012 04:18 Alderan wrote: Yeah I haven't had as good a handle on this game as games past. I was about to post a case on why I thought DYH was scum, but I decided to wait until the beginning of Day 2, and I guess I'm glad I waited. My scum team at this moment is: - Greymist - For reasons stated throughout the whole thread. - One of Acro/Risen- Probably Risen Then it get's sketchy. Conventional wisdom would suggest there's a lurker skating through. I kind of like OriginalName for that, due to his constant contradictions. - He's lurked as hard as anyone while chastising SLJ for not wanting to play. - Hours from posting how much he hates throw away votes, instead of voting for one of the 2 main candidates day 1, he votes for a lurker, and admits he's wasting his vote. - All of his rants about being indecisive strike me as trying to hurry the town into a decision, I hate that attitude. It's a bully tactic to get votes onto the people that he "finds suspicious". Doesn't sit well with me. - On the back of the last point, he's constantly telling people how to play "Still hiding information, there is no use for town in this". There are situations in which one would not divulge all information, he's said himself he's been around as long or longer than anyone else, it seems like he should know that. - Apparently I'm the only one that finds Greymist scummy, but if you Control+F his one page filter and look for Greymist he hasn't even addressed him once. For those that have played with OriginalName before: Is this kind of behavior typical? | ||
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On March 27 2012 09:07 Mattchew wrote:  No thoughts on OriginalName/Jitsu? | ||
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Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers..... Would you honestly do that if you were in our position? | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:08 Mattchew wrote: What do you think of lyter, xatalos, zealos and evantrees Lyter and Evantrees are lurking hard. Lyter is providing some good commentary when he actually posts, but it's never original ideas, all just regurgitated from earlier in the thread. Evantrees is just lurking. No really commentary. Kind of just strikes me as someone that doesn't really want to play. If I had to pick a scum out of the two I'd pick Lyter. I think when he posts he's trying to mess up. I don't get that feeling from Evantrees. As for Xatalos: I'm glad you pointed me to his filter, I had not focused on it as much as I should. Let me pull out some gems. If Risen actually is a Detective, he hasn't done a very good job at playing his role... He has created a ton of spam and confusion, undermined the birth of useful discussion, and made us talk about only himself and Acrofales for countless pages. All this seems like Mafia play, although I don't understand why he wants to get himself killed, regardless of his alignment (and him being Detective doesn't even prove that Acrofales is Mafia, so what's the point?). All I can think of is that he is A) a really anti-town Detective or B) a really reckless Mafia player. I'm not a fan of posts like this. It's kind of like covering your tracks. Scum knows the alignment of everyone, so they'll make posts like this so they can say "hmm I suspected that might be the case" and gain some credibility. MrZentor already had a good take on DoYouHas earlier: most likely he was killed because of his focus on Alderan or risk.nuke (probably not both, but you never know). He was also quite calm and analytic, which is bad news for Mafia, so it's not 100% certain that Alderan or risk.nuke is Mafia. Still, I would keep a close eye on these two. Posts like this are exceedingly scummy as well, and not because I'm mentioned. He is attempting to create some kind of connection between me DYH and risk.nuke based on WIFOM. These types of bases-less connections can very easily mislead town. We've all seen it. He also makes a not that he's not 100% sure about it. You never want to make a really solid claim on someone as scum if they flip town, so he leaves it up for some ambivalence, like he did above. If I had been the first voter, I would have probably voted for gumshoe... But then I saw that Risen had already gathered 5(?) votes with his anti-town behaviour, and since there was no chance to lynch gumshoe anymore (everyone seems to have written him off as a dumb townie or something) I thought that this was an okay lynch too - at least better than the previous lynch of layabout Risen has been creating chaos in the thread and prevented a lot of potentially useful discussion, so I find it a bit hard to believe he would actually be a Detective... But considering his overall lackluster reasoning, he might just be a REALLY bad Detective. Still, this isn't a bad lynch, although not initially my favorite lynch either (I still can't let gumshoe off my suspicions, at least until he has posted more and better). I'll have to go through every player's filter to make a rank order of their suspiciousness to make my life easier... That's weird? On Day 1 he had no problem voting for a throw away who wasn't getting lynched. But Day 2 he's all of a sudden against sheeping? He has a theory as to why the layabout lynch was bad but doesn't really go into why he doesn't find Greymist scummy, only has really softball interactions like: and I've gotta run to class, will finish this in a couple hours, but tell me what you think. I'd like some feedback. | ||
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Alderan
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Night 1 layabout, the Stark Bannerman has been lynched. Day 2 SamuelLJackson as Syrio Forel, Town Vigilante was hacked to pieces. DoYouHas as a Stark Bannerman was hacked to pieces. Night 2 Risen, aka Jory Cassel the Detective has been beheaded on the Authority of the King's Hand. And just a little clarification, is "beheaded on the Authority of the King's Hand" is the same thing as "lynched" in Day 1, right? | ||
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Alderan
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To finish up that question about Zealos, I'm assuming what has you suspicious are his posts like this On March 27 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: My argument against risen is not that he isn't playing well, but that he is lying. Lying is either mafia, or a town that is detrimental to the town atmosphere. Either way - Lynch. and On March 26 2012 06:35 Zealos wrote: *Facepalm* I really hope for your sake that you are mafia, because if you flip DT then you are the scummiest town I've ever seen. And the reason I made the argument is to be sure of the lynch today. and On March 28 2012 01:11 Zealos wrote: I'm split between Acro and Matt for lynching tomorrow, but at the moment Risen flipping DT is just too great an evidence to ignore, so I'll be voting Acro for now. and On March 28 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote: I would also say that I'm not 100% sure acro is scum, though he is by far the best lynch for tomorrow. The closer he get's to the vote, the farther away he moves away from his own lynch target, and in the case of Risen farther away from someone who is "OMG OBVS SCUM" (that was a paraphrase). I feel less confident about this read than my others, but he's definitely on my scum radar. I'm also not sold on you being town. Running around and asking fairly inactive people for their opinions is not the towniest of town plays. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 28 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote: Oh, and Alderan, can I ask who you think is town? No you can't. | ||
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On March 28 2012 07:31 MrZentor wrote: Alderan, Evantrees, Zealos, Xatalos. gg On March 28 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote: Mattchew, Gumshoe, risk.nuke, Evantrees. gg. On March 28 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: Acro, Greymist, Lyter, Gumshoe. gg. This isn't going to become a thing... is it? | ||
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Alderan
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Your contributions to the town up to this point have been exceptional. | ||
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On March 28 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote: You're just mad because I know you're scum. Could you perhaps elaborate? | ||
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Just was gonna see if you were interested in maybe posting that case? | ||
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Day 2's kills were "hacked to pieces". We're going to have to assume for the time being that these are the two mafia kill flavors. Tonight we have a "run through" and a "hacked to pieces" which would suggest that one was a vig kill and one was a mafia kill, with some type of vet hit or medic save. What's bothering me is the fact that MrZentor's flavor was "hacked to pieces" as well. I guess it's not absurd to have a vig with the same flavor as scum, but I just didn't expect it. Anyone have any experience with a game where scum had a choice as to which kill flavor they used, or anything like that? | ||
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Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe. I don't even know.... | ||
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On March 28 2012 22:00 chaoser wrote: Um...what? What are you talking about? I didn't think he was fucking serious.... Christ's sake.... As for Acrofales, Chaoser is right. Either he will be modkilled, or he was lying. Either way he will be dead by the end of the day. As far as Mattchew goes, I kind of don't want to believe that I got manipulated that hard by him. It's pretty clear that YOU were the target MrZentor was going to shoot. And he breadcrumbed that pretty early. ##vote: acrofalas | ||
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On March 28 2012 22:00 chaoser wrote: Um...what? What are you talking about? It's pretty clear that YOU were the target MrZentor was going to shoot. And he breadcrumbed that pretty early. ##vote: acrofalas I didn't think he was fucking serious.... Christ's sake.... As for Acrofales, Chaoser is right. Either he will be modkilled, or he was lying. Either way he will be dead by the end of the day. As far as Mattchew goes, I kind of don't want to believe that I got manipulated that hard by him. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 29 2012 00:18 Acrofales wrote: You could try trusting your blue townies instead of lynching them. I know, novel concept! We don't have to trust in anything. We will know for certain. | ||
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Alderan
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I'm happy to see that Greymist is finally being targeted. I've gotten scum vibes from him since Day 1, and he's done very little to support him being town since. | ||
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My 72 hours of being drunk have caused me to be super inactive. When I wake up the next time hopefully I will be able to help. | ||
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On April 02 2012 19:20 Zealos wrote: In fact, Xata has to be mafia. Both the people pushing his lynch in the night were killed. ##vote Xatalos This is horrendous logic. So much so that it's the reason I want to lynch you tonight. ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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Alderan
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On April 04 2012 10:14 chaoser wrote: no one should talk about anything tonight. the less mafia know the better. That doesn't seem to be an issue with this town. | ||
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My apologies to the town. | ||
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