C9++ Mini Mafia

On March 16 2012 23:41 Toadesstern wrote:

well I'm pretty sure I'm going to wake up dead in a pink dress or something like that in wbg's daypost
I can be anything you want me to be!

On March 18 2012 08:17 Nemesis wrote:

VE is acting rather retarded, but I don't know if that's normal for him. I'll have to take a look at his previous games first.

On March 18 2012 08:26 johnnywup wrote:
how nice of you to post, xsksc. anything else to say?

On March 18 2012 09:31 johnnywup wrote:
I'm town. If there's anything about me that makes me seem like scum, address it and i'll give my reasons on why I acted that way.

On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning.

But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you.

On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:

But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you.

On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:
Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events.

On March 18 2012 08:42 johnnywup wrote:
but like i said this opinion is not concrete and is very likely to change.

On March 18 2012 10:17 johnnywup wrote:
Because I don't want people to think that I'm saying he's definitely town. If people think I *know* he's scum, then I'd be a top candidate for lynch... This is my first time playing and I'm not good at articulating what I'm thinking.

I'm vanilla town, if that changes anyones opinion.

On March 18 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, claim after one vote. That's not doing you any favors either.

I think we got a winner here guys. Ready, set, VOTE!

On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:

giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself

On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:


Yea I don't like this post - you are sidestepping and not addressing my suspicions.
1) The meat of my suspicions was not at all on your calling out, but your behavior after that.
2) I think it's pre-emptive because you are addressing a past stance in lieu of your present stance.
3) You take half a paragraph to assert that we have a lot of time and implicitly encourage thread stagnation as you do not offer any new discussion points or "push a town agenda"
4) You completely ignore my suspicions on your 'wishy-washy on the fence' nature point in my case.

Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) and right now you are my #1 read.

I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.

On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
I think johnnywup is town and he is responding like deer caught in headlights.

On March 19 2012 04:51 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think they're that dissimilar situations, really.

But the thing is, when I was questioned about my opinions I felt attacked, wrongly or rightly, but I did. So I tried to back off, as I didn't feel that strongly about what I said, I was just trying to be helpful where I could. And of course, that led to a lot of red flags from people, so I tried to show that I didn't feel strongly about it which raised more red flags..so I didn't know what to do. I was put in a situation where any newb town would be struggling, and here I am. I don't know what to say at this point, because no matter what I say people are going to be accusing me of being scum when I am not. I honestly don't know who could be town or scum at this point, so I'm not very helpful there. So there, that's my thought process during this situation. I didn't know it would lead down this path, but it did, so here I am, trying to clear my head. So keep trying to lynch me, but it's a waste of lynch, you'll get a vanilla townie and you'll get no information from any of this.

On March 19 2012 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, I'm kinda on the edge of my seat awaiting thoughts from several players. Come on guys, having 48 hours doesn't mean you have to take all 48 hours to read the thread.

On March 19 2012 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


It's a case, and it's in no way a chainsaw defense. A chainsaw defense implies that he was attacking you because you're attacking johnnywup, when it's clear from his posts that he's attacking you because he finds your behavior suspicious.

How do you think we should be spending our time xsk, if not voting for who we find suspicious? You made it clear that at this point in time that you're only really interested in voting for johnnywup to avoid a no-lynch, so is there anyone you'd like to lynch because you think they're scum?

On March 19 2012 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm withholding my thoughts on the case until I see an adequate defense of it.

On March 19 2012 07:32 sandroba wrote:
I'm disappoint that you think jonny is mafia. Let's kill jackal gogogo

On March 19 2012 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sandroba why are you confirmed town again?

On March 19 2012 08:03 Probulous wrote:


Are you still on the fence about Johnny? To me his reaction was pretty townie. He changed his read because he realised he had nothing to base it on. How is that scummy? Since then he has been on the backfoot all game long. VE just keeps nailing him with small errors that could come from both a town or scum.

So why do think Johnny is scum?

On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:


There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own.

Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance.



What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions.



I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all.

Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort.

On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.

On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all)
.

On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.

On March 19 2012 10:08 slOosh wrote:
I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell.

On March 19 2012 11:51 johnnywup wrote:
I'm here.

On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote:
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.

I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.

What about you?

On March 19 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote:


Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise?

Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it.

On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc.

On March 19 2012 12:44 slOosh wrote:
I didn't give my read because


And I wanted a clear response to my case rather than something that wasn't my case.

On March 19 2012 13:21 Probulous wrote:


So you clearly don't believe he is scum then. Here is my thought process

VE thinks Johnny is scum ->VE votes for Johnny
Probulous doesn't think Johnny is scum-> Probulous asks for a clear case from VE to check if he is missing something
VE tells Probulous to fuck off-> Probulous is confused
A town VE would want people to vote for scum -> VE is not town

If you believe Johnny is scum, you should want him lynched.

On March 20 2012 03:22 sandroba wrote:
It's actually rule 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
But I agree it's probably fair to wait for wbg to respond.

On March 20 2012 04:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Sandroba why did you change your opinion about xsksc? I've just went through his filter. While nothing stands out as super scummy the problem is that nothing stands out whatsoever.

He have yet to point out who he think is scummy. He have voted sloosh but his case on him is worse the sloosh's case on himself. A few hours after voting sloosh, xsksc would shoot Jackal. Why not shoot the guy you're voting?



As Sandroba puts it:


Johnny is imo a bad lynch. I havent made up my mind about Tobon yet. Will read his filter now.

##Vote xsksc

On March 20 2012 04:48 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that scum is not where I think they are day 1. Which is why I'm pushing xsksc. Tobon and Johnny are the easy outs which never produce scum anyway.

Probulous is also a good lynch candidate for a day 1 lynch. But lynch is coming up fast and we need to consolidate soon.

On March 20 2012 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:


No. My scum read on you is not conslusive either. But at least I've taken a stance where you have not. I'm trying to push this forward while all your activity have done nothing more then increase the post count.

On March 20 2012 05:02 Dirkzor wrote:


What I'm saying is that the one everyone find scummy day1 always ends up being town who made some stupid mistake during the day and everyone can agree that its stupid and therefor lynches that person. Tobon and Johnny fits that.

I'm looking at the 2nd row of suspects.

Either way, I'm skimming trough your filter (again) and I might be just the way you write your suspicions. You never really put words to why exactly you find him scummy - or not in a case-way, if that makes sense. Just that you disagreed and then you voted him.

Reading Sloosh's filter now.

On March 20 2012 06:54 sandroba wrote:
Hmm sloosh you were pretty happy to sheep me before and even said you looked up to my play as town. Also jackal is already lynched regardless of your vote. I don't really see the point of this post, if jackal flips town that makes you very suspicious in my eyes.

On March 20 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not, I asked if I was scum. I'm just trying to figure out how what Jackal did is different from what I did, when I know I'm town.

I'm disliking Jackal's contributions to the thread and their infrequency, but his tone has struck me as town enough. I'm undecided, and as you're unwilling to lynch me D1 in this pool, so am I unwilling to lynch Jackal D1 in this pool.

On March 20 2012 12:12 sandroba wrote:
If anyone is dumb enough to consider I might be scum in this game I'll probably ask palmar for help on making epic videos.

On March 21 2012 18:01 Dirkzor wrote:


two roleblockers and a framer on the scum team does seem unlikely.

It could be 1 town roleblocker and 1 scum, but I still find this unlikely.

Sloosh wants us to look into the people bandwagoning Jackal (and now himself). This doesn't really make sense since Jackal was scum and we only just got him lynched. If we had 10 people on jackal I could agree that some might be scum but with only 7 votes the scenerio just fits better that scum voted elsewhere.

On March 19 2012 19:03 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
I'm not sure of Probulous but I think a DT should check him I think

On March 20 2012 07:27 sandroba wrote:
DT check on VE would put my mind at ease.

On March 22 2012 07:58 Probulous wrote:
Defending scum does not make you scum. It makes you more suspicious especially if you don't vote for them. Your actions make you town in my eyes.

On March 22 2012 10:29 Snarfs wrote:
xsksc, I feel like you are taking quotes out of context which is not helping contribute to the argument.

On March 22 2012 11:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want my money back on this sandroba call. Fuckin junk.

On March 22 2012 13:29 Nemesis wrote:
Btw, why are shared accounts called hydras?

On March 22 2012 13:55 Snarfs wrote:

Did Probulous clear this up for you, or do you still need me to explain it?

On March 22 2012 23:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
If anyone has any serious reservations about slOosh flipping, now is the time guys. If we want to switch targets, we need to start talking about it now. I'm okay with slOosh flipping, myself.

On March 24 2012 15:10 johnnywup wrote:
how would you review my play (keep in mind its my first game), everyone?

On March 24 2012 16:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think you're putting too much stock in vote analysis Toad - the players you're saying weren't providing anything useful by sheeping were, in fact, providing something useful...they had spent all day and would spend all night establishing their towniness by other means. While it's true that they could have reached their own conclusion more often than they did, I think that by cooperating in the effort they contributed FAR more than voting for whoever THEIR best read was and allowing a no-lynch to happen.