Well played town you deserved the win

WBG, that is exactly why I hate playing as scum. I don't see what role claims are possible. I think if I am to win as scum I need someone who is good to provide suggestions. I almost always going to get outed early because I post so much.

We lost because by the time the Jacakal deadline was over there basically 5 confirmed townies
Sandroba
Jcarl
VE
Snares
Tobon

And we had lost Jacakal. When I got into the thread half through day 1 I knew were in a bad place. That was why I filled up the thread trying make people see how VE style was scummy.

Anyway advice would be greatly appreciated. I still haven't won a game

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Australia3894 Posts

March 23 2012 22:41 GMT

#1098

It was so weird defending you from yourself with the same logic I would have used if I was town. If I pushed you you could simply point out that you voted for Jackal and I didn't. If you meant focus you on day 1 well my town play is nothing like that. I am always second guessing myself.

Maybe I should have tunnelled you the whole game?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

March 23 2012 22:46 GMT

#1101

Remember we had lost on our own as well. Claiming something that was likely to be in the game meant a huge possibility of trading 1:1.

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Australia3894 Posts

March 25 2012 00:58 GMT

#1154

On March 25 2012 01:14 wherebugsgo wrote:

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I'll dig up skype (I must be illiterate) but even in that case, you have avenues.

By killing jcarl, you confirm sandro and basically cement all his reads. At that point unless you sheep him (based on how day 1 went) you're fucked. Thus you have to convince sandro to kill townies, and it's only a feasible choice to shoot jcarl if sandro is horribly wrong about one or more of you. i.e. had you guys fakeclaimed off the jackal death and become "confirmed" (I can 100% guarantee that they would never think a scum claim+counterclaim of cop would ever in a million years happen) then killing jcarl might have been okay.

However, that's still not optimal to simply shooting VE and leaving jcarl+sandro alive. Why? Because if you kill a scum day 1 so easily from sandro just saying "this guy is scum" and then day 2 they kill a townie, you can actually bullshit and shed doubt on sandro and jcarl. You can implant the idea that sandro+jcarl were mafia scumbuddies without ever explicitly even saying it.

That possibility is shot to pieces as soon as a mason flips. The mafia team needs to realize that from a town perspective, no one is confirmed without flips. They can be "confirmed" but that's still as good as nothing (albeit plenty of noobs will be convinced anyway). Townies have a tendency to trust results over anything else. Thus, if you kill a scum day 1 and then townies 2 days in a row, chances are they'll no longer believe that one hero from day 1 is actually town.

The problem of course was that none of you had the thread presence nor the foresight to know what to do. I know hindsight is 20/20 and everything, but when I told you guys not to give up I could tell already you had lost (after one lynch, nonetheless) because psychologically if you've given up you out yourself in the thread. You can't keep up a charade if you yourself don't believe in it.

this is very true. My issue is I had no idea what to do. It is all very well going out and be bold but you need a plan and I just couldn't think straight. You see the possibilities with claiming whilst I never see that stuff. I was always playing catchup and it hard to plan when everything happens before you can take action. It's demoralising when you try hard but you can't seem to find a way out. I think if I play on scum team where I am not throne having to think of the plan I might learn more. Right now I am just trying shit to see what works.

Thanks WBG. Ill store this for later use.