Aperture Mafia

On March 10 2012 10:17 sinani206 wrote:
/in so much

On March 11 2012 03:39 Nisani201 wrote:
/in

On March 15 2012 01:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pretty sure you have to be American, did you even watch the video tutorial JayJay?

On March 16 2012 02:15 Nisani201 wrote:
This is my friend irl and he has played plenty of games on another forum.

On March 16 2012 09:11 blubbdavid wrote:
Question: Why does a mirror reverse left and right, but not top and bottom?

On March 16 2012 09:18 GreYMisT wrote:


Global Warming.

On March 16 2012 21:32 blubbdavid wrote:
Sbrubbles, Mav, don't ever trust JayJay54. He devours newbies.

On March 17 2012 08:10 Paperscraps wrote:
Sweet! Excited to get this started.

I need to earn back my collaboration points for halting science.

Question: Should people out if they have/receive items?

Full transparency and what not is good for town.

On March 17 2012 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:



More than...






?

On March 17 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:


TBH "consumed by shadow and flame" is the flavor for VE from my eyes.

What I understood is that each player has a flavor for his own death, not for each player that he kills

On March 17 2012 08:41 Adam4167 wrote:


I don't think someone in a sleeper cell situation would be so casual with a day-vig shot... knowing his 3 other teammates were out there somewhere and run the risk of killing one... for what? to off a possible townie?

On March 17 2012 08:48 Maverick32x wrote:
So Drazerk is taking ownership of that kill then?

So I think it would be safe to assume he isn't one of the sleeper agents... so what would be the point of taking ownership of this kill?

For Science...?

On March 17 2012 08:50 Adam4167 wrote:


I really cant see a sleeper taking that shot in the first half-hour of the game.
There's a small chance it could be a mafia ploy to get Drazerk into the spotlight or 'confirmed'.
Far and away the most likely solution to me is that hes a trigger-happy townie who just struck gold.

On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote:


I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see.




You run the risk of bumping off one of your teammates for the gain of what? killing a townie and bringing the rest of the town down on you. Its always a possibility, but its not a shot I would take. Regardless, speculating about Drazerks alignment over this one action is not going to result in much. Lets let his actions in the coming day or two tell the tale.

On March 17 2012 09:19 Adam4167 wrote:




I was blessed with the ability to read. =)

On March 17 2012 09:45 Hassybaby wrote:


I'm leaning on a claim of the ability no matter what (unless its forbidden and it's against science.) The two scenarios I see:

It's a bad ability:

- It's claimed, and town know that it shouldn't be used and monitor if it has been or not. If it has, Wheatley dies
- It's not claimed, we know nothing

It's a good ability:

- It's claimed, and town know that it should be used, and makes sure that Wheatley lives to use it. If he doesn't Wheatley dies
- It's not claimed, we still know nothing

On March 17 2012 11:07 gonzaw wrote:
Right, first things first:

I believe Drazerk is town. Mostly because of this:

-His shot right at the start of the day. I doubt a scum would do that, it would put TREMENDOUS pressure on him right off the bat
-His whole "I know Veli is town, because of bla bla bla", and not have Veli state otherwise, which means it's likely they are both town or they are both scum. I'd want Velinath to confirm that Drazerk isn't speaking bullshit though.
-Using an item on Wiggles. If he tells the truth, then I doubt scum would throw away an item like that, they would probably keep it, at least for some more time.
-He seems to have a lot of activity by this point, and considering 20 or so players are all inactive, I don't see why he would need to do so if he were scum (it would be easier for him to just lurk a little bit).

On March 17 2012 18:09 Drazerk wrote:
My win con has changed - Velinath for Wheatley is now a horrific thing and we must not let it happen.

Also I now need an item so if you give me one I will love you forever.

On March 17 2012 22:28 Hassybaby wrote:
Jayjay, talk to me. How do you feel the game is going? And please explain why the hell there's a Celtic Guardian on the field....

On March 17 2012 22:38 Drazerk wrote:


Read Lotr mafia where Igrok claimed Balrog it was a survivor then as well

On March 17 2012 22:47 Drazerk wrote:
For references -

Gandalf's role -

+ Show Spoiler +

Old balrog's role -

+ Show Spoiler +

For the record my DT item is called the Maia gun
I don't become bulletproof when I get an item
I can't discuss my power shot.

On March 17 2012 22:48 Drazerk wrote:


It was a fake claim read his filter

On March 17 2012 09:22 Drazerk wrote:
Kill wasn't compulsive
It is usable at any time with some major limitations
It's name is Shadows and Flames
I need items and that is all I am telling you about my role

On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.

##Elect: Velinath

On March 17 2012 18:09 Drazerk wrote:
My win con has changed - Velinath for Wheatley is now a horrific thing and we must not let it happen.

Also do NOT let kenpachi get super powers why on earth would you even help him do that.

##unelect: Velinath
##elect: Blazinghand

Also I now need an item so if you give me one I will love you forever.

On March 17 2012 22:12 Drazerk wrote:
I claim balrog

I have to get 5 items to win the game and kill Gandalf When my win condition is met I leave the game.

Old win condition was to just survive to the end with town only

.

On March 18 2012 00:33 Drazerk wrote:


Except for the fact I can't kill for a while and you will be controlling the kill while I wait for scum to kill gandalf for me?

On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:

Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item.

On March 18 2012 00:54 Drazerk wrote:


over powered blues with additional powers why wouldn't you want that?

On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.

##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.

On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:


Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.

On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote:
@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.

As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light.

On March 18 2012 03:16 gonzaw wrote:
I think this Drazerk thing is distracting us too much.


I'll just ask this to Drazerk, and hopefully nothing more so we can continue trying to hunt scum:

-Can you tell us your EXACT process of thought in every action you've taken?
As in, what you were thinking when you shot VE, what you were thinking when you chose to elect Velinath, what you were thinking when you decided to post that you wanted items, etc. Explain those inconsistencies found in your posts
-How exactly does your day-shot work? Will you let us control your shot on D2-D3 and so on? If your role can't do that, state the exact reasons for doing so, and state EVERY restriction your role has.
-If you want to live, I suggest you let town control the use of your DT item
-What item did you use on Wiggles? Explain that thoroughly, and explain your thought process as well (which relates to the 1st point). For instance, why did you choose to use it on Wiggles?

If you don't give us ALL the info we want, stop cloggin up the thread, stop confusing town, and let us control your shots/items, then you should die.
If you DO everything of the above, I think we could give you the useless items (like those lemons people are talking about) every once in a while, like a treat.

You do know that if you don't do everything we tell you to, we lynch you right? You will have to hope scum kill Gandalf for you, and that you behave well enough to receive the useless items.

On March 18 2012 03:28 Drazerk wrote:
sigh...

I have the anger core two random people who are voting for me when I am lynched will die

I will not be passing it to someone so you can lynch me so if you are going to kill me do it via a bullet.

On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote:
Don't elect Velinath.
I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath.

On March 18 2012 03:14 sinani206 wrote:
OK Vel, you're definitely town. Just wanted to see how you would react.

On March 18 2012 02:09 Velinath wrote:
Kill me? Why?

If we can find a better candidate, I'm willing to throw my support behind them, but honestly I feel I make a fairly good candidate here. I've already said I'm willing to be completely transparent when it comes to abilities that the Wheatley office receives.

I'm not a third party or scum. I'm town aligned. Why would you want to lynch me day 1?

On March 18 2012 08:08 Drazerk wrote:


You have all the information I have bar the information about my kill shot WHICH I CAN NOT GIVE OUT

I don't care about being lynched if you idiots lynch me hopefully I take out gandalf with me and get a 50/50 on the win con

You people really need to learn that the more scummy I appear the more likely I am town and visa versa

On March 18 2012 19:35 Drazerk wrote:
JayJay - Anger core is used up on use
If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most
When I flip I am going to laugh at you

On March 19 2012 00:21 Hassybaby wrote:
Jayjay, there's one bit you're forgetting though. If Drazerk is lynched then there is a small chance his items go to scum, just because it a roll of the dice and they could vote him to have a throw

If he's vigged, then a town gets the items

On March 19 2012 00:23 Drazerk wrote:


Small chance?

I guarantee you all the scum / third party are lynching me because of how easy it is

On March 19 2012 00:27 Drazerk wrote:


We don't know how many town there are as it is a closed set up.

4 super third party
4 sleeper cells
4+? scum

Then you have all your lurkers etc and people who won't vote me so your looking at around 10% of them going to someone useful at best

On March 19 2012 00:38 Drazerk wrote:


I can't shoot tomorrow

Stop being an idiot and actually read the thread

I have already said I will wait for scum / third party to kill him so no I won't as YOU ALREADY KNOW MY KILL FLAVOUR ARRRRGH

I honestly believe you are scum the way you are pushing my lynch atm because really you are refusing to read and not looking at the bigger picture and this will catch up with you in a few days time.

On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town.

On March 19 2012 02:26 Drazerk wrote:


Yeah your arguments didn't work up and I had the cell leader DT scan you

On March 19 2012 02:41 Drazerk wrote:


Yup

On March 19 2012 02:03 Jayjay54 wrote:
Ok, now that the lynch is (hopefully) sealed with like 12-3 or so. I can happily move on.

People to look at (IMO):

Completely Insane:
Kenpachi: As always, trolling the shit out of town. It's hard to read stuff into that. I doubt that he gave draz an item for a single vote. Won't probably be helpfull all game long, regardless of alignment. Often survives through sheer non-helfulness.

Random:
Lightz: I know about him that he is not new in this game. Played with him in caller where he had a tough bastard role. Both election and lynch choice where pretty random. Some people where saying that this is his meta. Not sure yet.

Sane, strong but dangerous:
Foolishness: He can freakingly win for town single handedly from what I've seen. I was not really excited about his dirk read. Felt random. Also the rhyming confuses me. Hope he'll pick up his usual performance. Would be scary if he's scum.

New and scummy:
David: What stands out here, is that he normally posts much more.

For reference: The Kaller game filter.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313991&user=60919
he had roughly 7% of the toal posts there.

now he only made a few posts, while still being somehow around all the time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=60919

Scummy, if you ask me. Because his town game varies so much from this one.

lurker list (nothing yet to see):
kita (who kinda always lurks a little, but normally makes at least one sane post each day); dirk, C-C, Cwave, Shrubbles, Rayzor, Sinsnsnianid (I mean both).


Problem with this game is: Voting will tell us shit about alignment with like 4 parties floating around. They'll be pushing against each other all the time.

On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote:
This town sucks

On March 19 2012 02:53 blubbdavid wrote:
JayJay is playing exactly the same like he did in Kaller when he was scum.
Yes, this is an OMGUS
And here my filter when I played scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315941&user=60919

Oh, again willz?

On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote:
Because I am town. Same as I was in Kaller.
Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town

On March 19 2012 04:02 Foolishness wrote:
But there's another thing I must restate,
A defense from Dirk, I still await.
He made one post,
he thinks he can coast?
Watch him closely over the next few dates.

On March 18 2012 05:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Another player I'd like to address is sinani.


into

felt really artificial.

this was the defense post:


I mean, it's ok I guess. But it certainly is not WOOOOW TOWN DEFENCE WTF?

his other posts are pretty thin-reasoned.

On March 19 2012 05:40 Jayjay54 wrote:
Also, it is not a freaking post restriction. As gonzaw pointed out, he got points for it. So it's completely random or a secret high level cell language

On March 19 2012 05:55 Drazerk wrote:
Oh cool I have majority never mind

I am a village idiot with a day vig shot

Cheers for playing

On March 19 2
012 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Drazerk makes absolutely no sense actually. He could have just told us his real role and promised to work with town.... he would be bullet proof so scum won't stop him. Instead he claims that he needs to kill Gandalf which sounds like a town role, making his claimed role even more anti-town than his actual role. ALSO, I am still requesting lemons.

On March 19 2012 08:20 sinani206 wrote:


electricity obviously

On March 19 2012 08:24 Grackaroni wrote:
@Gonzaw : He lied about the Cell Leader thing he just didn't want to admit that it was a part of his role.



I'm making lemonade?

On March 19 2012 08:32 Grackaroni wrote:

Actually that's not true, somebody already gave me a lemon during the day. I know for a fact that they have to be given away during the night period (as I was already given one) so if somebody thinks I'm town they'll give me one. I don't mind if mafia want to WIFOM their way into shooting me because they think lemons will give me some strong power. If I get another lemon I'll explain it tomorrow.

On March 19 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:

lol, you can't compare him calling Wiggle's not the same as him, to him calling you the planar dragon.
He wouldn't have taken as much shit either if he didn't suddenly switch his view on electing you for seemingly no reason, so it's not some sort of planned out elaborate lie it seems like something he could have found out and posted without thinking of the consequences.
The only thing holding me back is this post :

On March 19 2012 09:36 Jayjay54 wrote:


so why do you want to take this post into consideration? Kenpachi is to trust because he did what draz wanted. I am on the "own agenda" list, because I pushed him. He was also already anti-town frustated when he posted that.

Also will, I claim to be the most active poster right now You should never be afraid of posting when you got something to say. more information = better for town. Don't hold back, just because you are afraid of dying. If everybody is active, scum won't know who to shoot...ezpz

On March 19 2012 09:40 Grackaroni wrote:

My point is If he knew for sure that Velinath was the Planar dragon he probably would have put him in the need to die list rather than look out for list. My mentioning of it had nothing to do with you.
You're probably right though, he was pissed that he was getting lynched so he probably wasn't trying to help town.

On March 17 2012 10:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I am also interested in running for the Wheatley position.

Y'all know who I am, most of you have played with me before. Anyone that read the final days of BC's Arkham City would know that I am willing to put in 12+ hours a day to get a win in a game of mafia. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I didn't get a win in that game (-_-), but this time I am ready to be the hero that you deserve.

So vote to Elect Adam4167!

##ElectAdam4167

On March 20 2012 01:09 zelblade wrote:
@JayJay

I agree that the post restriction is bullshit, and also that draz had no anger core (probably a lie to scare us). Even if he did his ability would make it useless, making it a non-exsistent threat. If you think his portal gun claim was fake, what do you think of kenpachi supposedly giving it to him? He claimed that he did. Kenpachi seems to be a pretty crazy player though I dont think he was lying about this. You seem to believe that he lied? What motivation do you think he would have for that action?

Blazinghand's dissapearance also worries me, considering how hard he tried to get the wheatly postion. Could be that hes feeling a little demotivated considering he missed it by one vote. I dont think im going to read too much into this now, unless he continues lurking of course.

On March 20 2012 01:14 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
I actually have a pretty strong town read on BH at the moment.

On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.

On March 20 2012 01:32 Jayjay54 wrote:


That assumption is dangerous.

Nisani: Yes, it's a smurf (indicated by the foolishness-acusation post)

On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.

On March 20 2012 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:

unless some people who I actually trust complain.

On March 20 2012 03:46 Grackaroni wrote:

I'm feeling pretty good about you so I'll consider it. (I don't have a lemon anyways lol)
Foolishness #1 suspicion is almost always right as town.
This is a multi-factional game, if he actually is scum it doesn't make the shot bad.
Scum have an even easier time identifying scum teams because they already know their own team.

On March 19 2012 04:36 Foolishness wrote:

As I said, his post was one giant ball of fluff
To read it, on my eyes, it was certainly rough.
Perhaps my suspicion
was merely intuition.
He can live another day before we put on the cuffs.

On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

On March 20 2012 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:


It's typically a bad idea to post at night. Town's ability to pressure Mafia is diminished, and except for stuff that really needs to be posted before people determine night actions and specific Q+A, it's better to put things off until just before the dawn.

It's typically a bad idea to post at night. Town's ability to pressure Mafia is diminished, and except for stuff that really needs to be posted before people determine night actions and specific Q+A, it's better to put things off until just before the dawn.

On March 20 2012 04:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Here's the deal. I'm reading now that Grackaroni intends to shoot me tonight.

When I flip town, do NOT let him get away with it. There is absolutely no excuse for taking a shot at a townie in this situation, especially someone like me who is at least trying to keep the discussion moving.

Depending on how Grackaroni plays this out we should probably lynch him anyway. I understand that I was unavailable over the weekend and with a low amount of posts I'm an easy target to go for, but I think that now I've proven I can be an asset to this town, the fact that he's still thinking about shooting me is pretty incriminating.

I haven't been the model townie, so maybe it requires my flip. But if Grack shoots me, DO NOT LET HIM SHRUG IT OFF. I am not "just a bad townie".

On March 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:


If you don't like an aggressive playstyle I got real bad news for you dude

Also it's obvious who the vigis should be shooting into: sinani, nisani, cwave, sbrubbles kita, or foolishness.

On March 20 2012 04:24 RayzorFlash wrote:
Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...

I am disappoint

On March 20 2012 06:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Threads about to close. In case I die
I think JJ/Wiggles/Velinath/Gonzaw are all probably town.
I Would be surprised if 2/3 of JJ-Wiggles-Foolishness aren't hit.

On March 20 2012 08:06 blubbdavid wrote:
What's that? And it looks like Gonzaw is the LORD OF THE DIMENSIONAL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFT.

On March 20 2012 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I don't really see a reason for him to have been protected. Let's see what he claims.

On March 20 2012 09:14 Hassybaby wrote:
Sooooo, are we gonna get role descriptions?

Jayjay, will we know when the death will happen? Or can you not reveal that?

On March 18 2012 03:23 Velinath wrote:
@gonzaw I have a non town read on Kenpachi because he's been pushing this "vote GLaDOS" agenda so hard without giving any real justification other than "it gives me a superpower". He's even trying to manipulate Drazerk into going along with it - he even says he isn't necessarily going to get a majority day 1, which I think really shows the lack of faith that the town has in him in addition to his dedication to posting a personal agenda even against the general sentiment (so far) of the thread.

On March 18 2012 07:41 Velinath wrote:

Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea.

On March 20 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote:
GLaDOS seems pretty sadistic from what I've seen so far in the day/nightposts. I don't see a way, even if Ken is third party, that killing her off would be bad for town.

##Vote: GLaDOS

On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote:
In regards to the Black Market, I'd suggest reading through the relevant posts from Insane 2. Each faction had to acquire a certain amount of currency to purchase a game breaking ability. Be careful when giving a certain amount of money to a certain faction. Additionally, does the black market use a quicktopic? As the mafia and sleeper cell leader probably have access, there is no reason for the town to not be able to read what is going on periodically as well. Being able to identify certain posting habits may lead us to their identities.

Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town?

The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player.

MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected?

I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain.



Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting.

I'm considering the following people for lynch today:

Mr. Wiggles



Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim.

In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch:



Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch.

When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read.





Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned.
Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch.


Bluelightz

The cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion.

Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter?

As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end.

blubbdavid

I would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway.



Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions?

On March 20 2012 15:38 Adam4167 wrote:
JayJay,
I have been reading the thread, but not posting. I see no need to contribute to all of the noise that is going on in the thread. I find discussions about the black market, Foolishness' posting restriction, Gracks lemons, the D.Engine, wheatleys theorized shift in win condition to all be irrelevant to me and a distraction to everyone. None of those things help me find scum.1

Lets talk a little bit about Foolishness. He's one of the most renowned, if not the best, scum hunters on TL mafia. His posting habits were strange this game, sure, but lets look at this objectively. If he rolled anything but town, he would still have an incentive to scum-hunt to the best of his ability. All the scum factions want to kill the other scum factions that might shoot their members. The third parties want to look like they're useful/town so they can survive long enough to achieve their win objective. There is simply no good reason not to trust him and kill the people he singled out.2

On that note:
I still reaffirm that Dirk looks red to me. His 'scum-hunting' so far has been to wait for someone to call him scum and then retaliate in saying that they must be scum. His case against foolishness is weak to say the least: He has a post restriction (or is feigning it) => we should hang him.
His argument that Grack should be held accountable for shooting him is just an attempt to scare Grack away from pulling the trigger. Instead of trying to scare Grack away from shooting you, why don't you prove to Grack that it would be a bad idea by finding some scum. Put up a case, preferably something more tangible then "he's not posting".
3

I am still waiting for that list of reads from Bluelightz. He was able to post in Wherebugsgo's C9++ mini, but never came back here to deliver those reads to us. I do not get the same feel from Bluelightz as I have in previous games with him. He's on my watch list.
4

On March 21 2012 04:00 kitaman27 wrote:


Not bad. I was able to read through everyone's filter, but yours. You have a talent for posting so much that I don't care enough to read what you say,



Do you think Wiggles is town?



Why?



Who is the best lynch target?



Given the opportunity to buy a watcher/medic/whatever role, you decided not to? Why is that?

You've used the black market to cover up the fact that you aren't scum hunting. Why aren't you being transparent with you scum reads like you promised when elected?

On March 21 2012 04:22 Nisani201 wrote:
Why am I a reasonable target?

On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:
I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing.

Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary.

You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig.



I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.

On March 21 2012 07:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I would agree with Wiggles that Kenpachi is probably 3rd party but we could save him for another day.
Kenpachi doesn't have towns interest in mind. All he cares about is whether people vote GlaDOS. He shows this by giving Drazerk, A confirmed non-town player, an item instead of giving it to town.
Just don't vote GlaDOS; I don't trust him.

On March 17 2012 15:51 Kenpachi wrote:
BH lets be assholes together. we will conquer town with the self proclaimed 3rd party
Blazing Kenpachi Party. our motto would be familiar to the Italian guy you know and love


Me ne frego

Our Win condition? we win with town

On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:


I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined.

I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once.

I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game.

On March 21 2012 08:31 Adam4167 wrote:


I am not targeting Dirk because he is a lurker, nor do I use that word to describe him once. I am targeting him because he has a filter with zero content, his first post was waffly and his post aimed at Grack was not the reaction id expect from a townie.

You seem pretty interested in discrediting anything I say. Why is that?

On March 21 2012 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:

What makes you think that people who voted for dirk are scummy? Why are you convinced he is town?
Drazerk was an obvious liar with no teammates; I don't see why scum wouldn't want to sheep that vote.

On March 21 2012 09:00 Grackaroni wrote:

Well now I'm intrigued. The way you said that makes it sound like you found something out over the night but you didn't want me to shoot him during the night before any night action would have returned.

On March 19 2012 04:36 Foolishness wrote:

As I said, his post was one giant ball of fluff
To read it, on my eyes, it was certainly rough.
Perhaps my suspicion
was merely intuition.
He can live another day before we put on the cuffs.

On March 21 2012 20:39 phagga wrote:
@Jayjay, you look pretty townish to me, but you understand that you are stretching the credibility people give you? First you say Sinani206 will die, you just can't tell when, but therefore we should ignore him. Then you come and claim Dirks abilitities look townish. So you just took two of the more favoured lynch candidates off the chopping block, and there is no way for us to verify your claims.

On March 21 2012 22:55 blubbdavid wrote:
And JJ shooting someone who just didn't want to die also happened in Kaller o_O

On March 22 2012 01:48 kitaman27 wrote:
I also dislike ghost_403 as a lynch candidate today. I don't think there is a very good case at all for him to be considered.

On March 22 2012 01:48 kitaman27 wrote:
I also dislike ghost_403 as a lynch candidate today. I don't think there is a very good case at all for him to be considered.

On March 22 2012 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:

lazy scum Palmar pretending to be a new player
Were lynching you

On March 22 2012 01:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Why isn't anyone even willing to consider Wiggles. If people think he is town, please at least say so and explain why. He is being ignored right now.

On March 22 2012 02:07 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you clarify what you are talking about? I'm not seeing any description of an ability in his filter.



Not sure, his posts have all been mostly spam and he is going to be a headache to deal with during late game if he doesn't change his play.

On March 22 2012 02:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Did you see the way he walked into the thread 1/2 way through the day, offered nothing new to the discussion, jumped on the obvious 3rd party bandwagon, then disappeared again.

On March 22 2012 02:31 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't care if he was the 2nd person on the bandwagon of a claimed 3rd party, he didn't give a shit about scumhunting.
If you think he doesn't care then there's probably a reason for that.
I was actually hoping that Palmar would be in this game to help lead the town, not anymore.

On March 22 2012 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm asking you to clarify how, if you're going to use it to soft defend him.

I'm heading out to a Sabres game so I won't be around for the lynch tonight. -_-

On March 22 2012 08:13 Companion Cube wrote:

Hello.

On March 22 2012 08:21 Companion Cube wrote:

I like making friends. jayjay can be my friend. You can be too. There is also people here who are not our friends. We should watch out for them.

On March 22 2012 08:34 Hassybaby wrote:
## Throw Companion Cube in Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator

I'm so sorry!

On March 22 2012 08:39 Companion Cube wrote:

Sorry will never repair the rift you have decided to tear between us. We are not friends.

On March 23 2012 00:43 Companion Cube wrote:
I just caught up on the thread. I also think we should be lynching Wiggles tomorrow. If you need my reasons you can refer to the case I made:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&currentpage=62#1231

I also think Palmar is scum for dodging my questions about Wiggles. I'm too tired to make a big post about him right now though. Expect something later.

On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:

My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch.

Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot).

On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him.

I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk.

On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.

I still want to lynch Dirk though.

On March 23 2012 01:31 Nisani201 wrote:

I skimmed the voting thread. The fact is that there was a lot more discussion in the thread about DIrk than Bluelightz, so I thought that he was more likely to get lynched then Bluelightz.

And I wasn't randomly dropping a name in that other post. What more do you want than "he goes on my scum list"?

On March 23 2012 01:38 Nisani201 wrote:
...and that's why you think I'm scum?

On March 23 2012 01:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Just because I wanted to lynch Dirk more than Bluelightz doesn't mean I'm scum. I'm not trying to take credit for the Bluelightz lynch. Would you still think I were scum if I had kept my vote on Dirk?

On March 23 2012 08:11 Velinath wrote:
ghost, please confirm receipt of item

On March 23 2012 08:18 Velinath wrote:
Because I believe him to be town especially reading what he had to say in his defense.

On March 23 2012 09:25 Velinath wrote:
@Jay: Maybe I read more into ghost's defense than you did, but I thought it made sense.

Obviously you think you have better reads than me, and that's cool, but I made a call. I didn't give him anything that could kill someone, for what it's worth.

On March 23 2012 23:17 Nisani201 wrote:

Lol. What makes you think it was a bus?

I've explained everything in the thread. You should read it.

On March 23 2012 23:26 Nisani201 wrote:
JayJay have you ever considered the possibility that I don't know who the scum members are, and I made an educated guess that it would be more likely to be Dirk than Bluelightz at that situation?

Voting Dirk does not make me scum. Other people were talking about his scumminess in the thread. Your case is stupid.

On March 23 2012 23:53 Nisani201 wrote:
No it's not. It's me posting my two scumreads. You're just rephrasing it to make me look scummy.

For the most part of this game I've generally had a town read on you. But the fact that you're keeping this up even though I've adequately defended myself makes me start to think that you're scum.

But I wont push you today. I still want everyone to look at Ghost's filter and see how much he has been avoiding giving confident reads. He is the best lynch for today. Lynch him.

On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:

My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch.

Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot).

On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him.

I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk.

On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote:
Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him.

##Vote: Bluelightz

On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk.

On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.

I still want to lynch Dirk though.

On March 24 2012 00:20 Nisani201 wrote:
I said he was on my scum list. Is that not confident enough for you?

On March 24 2012 00:27 Nisani201 wrote:
The problem with your case is that you don't understand that I had 2 scum reads. Yes, two. I didn't vote blue at the beginning because dirk looked like a better target, and because it looked like there would be more votes because of the discussion level.

On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk.

On March 24 2012 07:41 Hassybaby wrote:


You want to know why I haven't been totally active in my reads and and comments? Because the mods are cheaters!



Yeah, I'm Yugi. Those cards are mine, and my wincon is to beat iGrok in this game. The downside is that the cards have an effect in the game, so I have to be very careful about what i play and when. Then iGrok plays that....

NO MORE BEING CAREFUL I GUESS

On March 24 2012 15:26 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright since it's very likely I'm going to die soon I'm going to claim.

I am the inventor. I can invent anything and give it to anyone, but I can't give to the same person twice. I gave myself the security camera n1. I won't say who I gave the puppet strings to but I can tell what they do. You target someone and all actions done against you are instead done to the puppet. You can also kill the puppet. It works just like the puppet master role in ptp2.

If you need more confirmation I will let someone else decide what I invent tonight.

On March 20 2012 03:50 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not saying that dirk is looking good, but I say that there are better targets. C_C, Nisani, maybe adam. Some more.

On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that.

On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.

On March 21 2012 08:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
So, I personally would like a different lynch choice. Right now, Nisani.

On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.

On March 22 2012 02:01 Jayjay54 wrote:
Why is Nisani being ignored?

On March 22 2012 02:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
nisani can play much better...which makes me think he is scum...

On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote:


At that time the vote count was:

Lightz 5
Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani)
Kenpachi 2
Kita 1
Ghost 1
Wiggles 1

When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit.

You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really?

I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF.

Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again?

You say you are suspicious of lightz early on?



This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention.

Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched.

On March 23 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:


I wanted to kill you before and now I caught you lying.

Your defense on somebody else's post on you was something like I was suspicious of blue before, so you try to get towncreds for that.

yes of course, I'd still think you're scum, if you had your vote on dirk. But the excuse for not voting lightz was a blunt lie and that's why I am even more certain now.

On March 24 2012 20:41 Adam4167 wrote:
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.

On March 24 2012 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:


Yeah, I don't get that one. Hes never called you scum, but surely there are better options when it comes to giving someone a gun then the guy that's campaigning for your death.

As zelblade said, it really makes no sense regardless of alignment.


I don't know where the hell everyone has disappeared to. The activity level has been non-existent today. The thought that we actually have close to TWENTY people still in this game is mind-boggling.

I can only take your word on the stuff Dirk is saying in the QT. As it looks from an outsiders perspective, hes made one post today consisting of 4 lines and a vote. I don't like that.

On March 25 2012 00:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright mementos analysis is the biggest ever but I won't respond to it now because I'm on my phone.

Yes I gave the strings to jayjay on purpose, because he has the case on me. If I had given them to someone else and they had claimed an item, jay would think that that person was lying.

It's absurd to think that I was able to correctly redirect those items two nights in a row. If you need anymore confirmation, as I said, I'll invent whatever you want tonight.

I'd much rather not lynch Sinani since he's the guy we're supposed to lynch when there aren't any other candidates. I'll look into it once I'm off my phone.

On March 25 2012 05:44 Foolishness wrote:
The votes are close, we are in a tough spot.
To lynch someone, we must take a shot.
People are dying very fast
who knows how long we'll last.
It is much better to lynch than it is to not!