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layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 19 2012 12:33 GMT

/in

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 19 2012 23:17 GMT

#37

On February 20 2012 07:50 Toadesstern wrote:
you're just scared to run into one of my bullets, aren't you? :p
As long as Palmar isn't dick enough to make me compulsive vig no need to fear at all!

Also there's an unwritten law that you can't lynch/policylynch people from europe in a game with euro-deadlines d1. That would be an even more dick-move than hosts giving me a gun.

If you claim goon we are definitely policy lynching you

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 20 2012 22:10 GMT

#97

Do YOU need a valuable resource to aid in the glorious hunt for scum?
+ Show Spoiler [Look No Further] +

I took the tornado from google and i did the starcraft pic myself

~~I also agree that tyrran looks scummy and lynching him right now would be the correct play.~~
Should i?

On February 06 2012 05:39 layabout wrote:
can somebody please explain whatever it is about posting popcorn that causes such a kerfuffle?

On February 06 2012 05:54 redFF wrote:

On February 06 2012 05:59 layabout wrote:
If i play a game with you in it i will be voting for you whenever the choice exists.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 20 2012 22:33 GMT

#119

On February 21 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:

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I'd rather explicitly try to lynch scum. Policy lynch is what you do if you can't make a good case D1. This happens fairly often but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

If you do not have a good case behind your vote today i expect you to go with a policy lynch.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 21 2012 18:44 GMT

#317

On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll give my honest opinion so far...

I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging.

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.

I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie.

In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum.

I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia.

My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler +

I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence.

It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you

He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 21 2012 19:59 GMT

#346

On February 22 2012 03:58 redFF wrote:
Layabout you haven't posted a single read today, so ridiculing dirkzor is quite hypocritical

Do you think blazinghand's current vote is backed up by a good case or do you still expect him to go with a policy lynch.

Guess I'll do my own happy to lynch list.
kita
toad
prplhz(where is he)
layabout

Post indicates that redFF is aware that i was being sarcastic when i said that dirkzor should have 3+ scum found early into day1.

On February 22 2012 04:04 redFF wrote:
I don't really care about chaoser at this stage, haven't paid much attention to him tbh.

Layabout is bad because he berated dirkzor for not finding 3+scum and hasn't stated a read all game.

Criticises me as if i was not being sarcastic but instead as if i was being serious about finding 3+ scum early on.

Wants to lynch me for not posting a read during the time that i was asleep, or did not have computer access.

To clarify my original post (below):
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On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:

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Dirkzor has been saying " I do not have any strong scum reads at the moment" is an entirely reasonable thing for him to say (it isn't very helpful however). He then says that the player he would currently lynch is chaoser but he has not called him scum with confidence.Instead it appears that Dirkzor feels pressured into trying to offer something and so gives his best (but weak) scumread. This again makes sense because having confidence in your reads this early on indicates either fantastic scumhunting ability or extreme foolishness. It may be necessary to appear confident in order to convince others to support you but your are unlikely to have enough information to actually be sure that you have caught scum. There is too much uncertainty.

And yet ViceraEyes had Voted for Dirkzor and redFF said he felt he was a safe lynch target. I was being sarcastic by calling Dirkzor scummy on completely unreasonable grounds because i view the idea of lynching him now as similarly unreasonable.

Why has Dirkzor been called scum you ask?
click all to view the thread. hit Ctrl F and type dirkzor. Scroll through the absence of good reasons to lynch Dirkzor today.
Kitaman wrote that Dirkzor used language that made him look scummy and chaoser said he made a criticism that he did not follow up on. Lynching based upon that would be utterly absurd.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 21 2012 20:27 GMT

#356

On February 22 2012 03:58 syllogism wrote:

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On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:

I certainly have not found "3+ scum", have you? Give me your top 3 scum reads then. Of course, perhaps it's something you expect from dirkzor, but I'm not sure if that is grounded in reality either.

Any thoughts on BC layabout?

May have missed this:
The point was that catching 3+ scum so early is highly unlikely. I also think that you could have worked out that i was being sarcastic and that this above comment(by you) is beneath you.
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perhaps not the best choice of words but ima just roll with it

BC seems very concerned about the trashy posting, the one liners, the policy lynch and the insults.
In nearly all of his 7 posts he in some way comments on policy lynching or he adds to the bickering, while still saying that we need contribute. Yet he does not move discussion forward or present new ideas.
It seems to me that BC does not wish to help the thread progress and that he was happy to see so much crap.

BC wrote: Pushing what I will view as bad agendas or bad forms of play is something I near always comment on.

I am going to go check whether or not this is true.

On February 22 2012 05:03 syllogism wrote:
Say what you mean and answer my question regarding BC

I am not sure what you are referring to.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 21 2012 20:49 GMT

#361

What do you mean what?
Who in hell gets nearly an entire scum team 20 hours in when there are several players who have postscounts <4 and nearly all of the discussion has been policy/flaming?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 01:31 GMT

#428

This is my current stance
redFF
Pretty much everything he has done so far has been to the detriment of town. If we were to follow his lead on a policy lynch that would be awful. Kitaman27 made a valid point that he was contradicting his old opinions and he responded very aggressively and unhelpfully. He has been spamming the thread with insults and one liners and he already has a 5 page filter. His claim is not a town-move. As a town tracker claiming on day1 with 24 hours til the deadline with only 5 votes is ridiculous. If mafia has a roleblocker they can block him.

On February 22 2012 07:25 redFF wrote:
heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me.

If that happens, then he says we should lynch him. He also tries to defend himself by saying that we should not be lynching a blue power role, if he is scum then this gives him a free ride this for some time. Since he would know his team-mates actions he could easily provide a correct visit to verify his claim. This move makes no sense for town because scum would have a blue kill or that they could roleblock, and then get lynched for not being able to support his claim. Unless we get a good target lynching redFF look to be the best play.
##Vote redFF

I have an 8 hour day tomorrow and i will not be on again until about 7:00 pm in the UK. This should be about 2-3 hours before the lynch.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 19:45 GMT

#619

Post incoming

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 20:48 GMT

#641

ViceraEyes
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On February 21 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: RedFF

He's going to spam this bitch into oblivion. Anti-town actions are anti-town.

On February 21 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
-snip-
Re: VI Tyran
I'm a proponent of "innocent until proven guilty". If Tyran becomes a problem, and no clear scum candidate emerges, I can feasibly get down on a Tyran lynch...in the meantime, I won't support a lynch of Tyran for the reason of "you know, it's Tyran."...I have deep-seeded problems with Palmar for this very thing. All it does is introduce negative feelings into the game and drive away players. It's dumb. Like, you can play to win without doing it at the expense of others.

-snip-

On February 21 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
-snip
Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die.

On February 21 2012 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Well certainly not with that attitude.

Any more questions anyone? Let's get this show on the road.

Votes on redFF.

On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

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/salute

What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it.

On February 21 2012 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

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You've done nothing this game that has made me think you're town except for the last line of this post. Everything else has been red as fuck to me (no pun intended). I was referring to WBG's quotes from other games when you were, in fact, actually town.

The last line is exonerating enough, however, to earn my

##Unvote redFF

...so at least there's that. Please stop spamming. This is your only warning.

Re: Jackal/
DAAAAYYYUUUUMMMM....

Nosrslytho, who's scum guy? I want drunk Jackal's opinion to compare it with sober Jackal's opinion later XD

Possible Implications of this:
VE might be an idiot. or
VE really didn't think that redFF looked scummy but was still willing to try to start a bandwagon, despite being eager to unvote him for an unbelievably weak reason.

On February 21 2012 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure - I'm trying to figure out if I think they have the same alignments or different alignments based solely on the argument itself.

On February 22 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm happy lynching into

redFF
Dirkzor
Tyrran

We need to decide on a lynch and get this shit rollin.

##Vote Dirkzor
But I can feasibly switch out anyone from my lynch list. gogo town lynchings!!!

Did you know that this was VE's first comment about dirkzor?

On February 22 2012 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a hell of a reminder red. Consider yourself off my lynch list.

he was refrring to this:

On February 22 2012 04:16 redFF wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=41447

at the time RoL's filter contained 2 posts "/in" and "HELLO EVERYONE!"

That was what it took to remove redFF from VE's lynch list. Simply pointing out that another player had not been posting. That action is alignment neutral and is it is absurd that that could be enough to convince VE that a player he spent a lot of time calling "anti-town" and "scum" and analysing would not be worth lynching

On February 22 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can feasibly get down on a BC lynch. Just sayin.

On February 22 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys - enough bickering.

Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen.

He is discrediting his own reads (it's almost as if he does not want us to listen to him but that he wishes to sheep instead). And he pleads for lynch lists from everyone so that we can "make something happen". Typical town play does not involve everyone posting their reads so that players can agree. It involves players making private reads and trying to convince others with evidence, arguments and analysis. If each player were to present a list of players that they were willing to lynch, surely that would help the mafia orchestrate or support a townie lynch, and it would not increase the chances of lynching scum. It could however benefit mafia.

He gets involves in some squabling and come back with this shortly after redFF claim:

On February 22 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't forget this beaut that follows the posts you just quoted. I smell a freakin rat bro.

On February 22 2012 05:55 redFF wrote:
VOTE DIRKZOR THEN CHOWSER

##Vote: redFF

but he doesn't vote for another 100 or so minutes, during which time he claims to have misread a post he "unvotes" and then attacks redFF for throwing a tantrum and votes for him.

On February 22 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay yeah, I went back and reread redFF's filter - I don't believe the claim. He's spent too long being wishy-washy about his reads, pushing a policy lynch he didn't even believe in and bickering for me to comfortably lynch anyone else.

##Vote: redFF

He adds some reasons for him finding redFF scum and says that he cannot comfortably lynch anybody else.
This implies that something very significant will have to happen in order for VE to change his vote.

On February 22 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
[s]I mean, I guess I'm a little worried how little resistance this lynch has...anyone else getting this feeling? [s]
I am worried that the person i want lynched might get lynched.

*this quote may or may not have been edited to demonstrate that VE had no intention of trying to lynch redFF.

On February 22 2012 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm kinda feeling this too prpl, but right now I can't analyze in-depth right now. Are you more down with a BloodyC0bbler lynch? Because I mean, it wouldn't take much convincing for me, as I'm less than impressed with his...what, 5 posts? Not much there. That's my main issue, but then, if we didn't lynch people who don't participate, scum would just sit there silent e'ry day.

Ugh, I just need like, FIVE HOURS ALONE with the thread...that's all I need - I feel like a few scums have revealed themselves. :d

"Prphz please make an effort to call somebody scum so that i can sheep you.Oh and did i mention that my reads are bad and that nobody should listen to me?"
He also says that his main issue with BC was relative inactivity but as we all know activity=/=alignment. VE is again searching for a weak reasons to justify his actions.

On February 22 2012 15:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I did it.

WUUUUUT?

##Unvote redFF
##Vote BloodyC0bbler

so without adding anything he changes his vote.

On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?

Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.

However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.

I'm starting to get a red read on WBG.

He tries to reinforce the idea that one of WBG and chaoser could be scum and mis-represents WBG's posting (he had not been tunneling chaoser), and then criticises him for calling red scum. VE has voted for redFF twice today and repeatedly called him scum. This re-read smell of... Bullshit.

On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's End
BloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence.

wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post. Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.

RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY.

I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice.

He is keen to point out that he is just echoing the complaints of other players when he calls WBG scum.
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also lol at he placed a vote on redF without saying if he was scum or not when VE did this exact thing in his first post and again voted (in this thread) for redFF after saying that he did not wish to lynch him and not calling him scum before the vote.

He also defends the action of sheeping which is convenient since it seems to be his main goal in the thread. It is not a pro-town goal. Sheeping is something scum can do to avoid contributing, and avoid responsibility for their actions.

On February 23 2012 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm just going to come out and say it - I don't see anything that indicates scum in prplhz filter. Unless you feel like his 'inactivity' is lynch-worthy, but he has more actual 'content' than players such as Blazinghand or Tyrran.

Yeah, not feeling a prplhz lynch today gents.

He hear belittles inactivity which was the only reason he gave at the time for voting, BC.

On February 23 2012 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually, RoL can be safely removed from my lynch list and replaced by BH - this guy is active to a fault in games he rolls town - I haven't seen that at all this game. All I've seen is a bunch of mudslinging and sheep-voting. Not diggin it.

Blazinghand relaced RebirthOfLegenD on my Lynch-List.

He drops RoL from his lynch list because of sheeping, inactivity and mudslinging.
Sheeping is the thing that VE has done all game and that he explicitly said is done by both town and mafia.
Inactivity is the thing that that VE just said was an awful reason to vote somebody.
Mudslinging is something that VE has done his fair share of. (i have not quoted it because it's all crap)

On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC.

So he switching off of BC because he thinks that in this case that he is wrong, we are better off losing BH than BC. This is not a strong way to convince players to switch, but it is a scummy way to make people switch, because it plays on fears. In addition if you have any faith in your reads the skill of the player in question should not be enough to make you change your vote.There are additional flaws with this type of thinking that i shall not explore.

[B]On February 23 2012 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Well, he believably claimed tracker and (at least for my part) my scumreads want him dead. That's MY issue with the redFF lynch.

VE has consistently told us to pay little attention to his scum reads. He wanted to vote reFF after redFF last post in the thread. He now cites that his issue with lynching redFF is that his scum reads want him dead. Based on your VE's own words we should pay little heed to those, they also were not very well supported with reasons. If VE beleived his tracker claim why would that be a factor now when redFF had made his claim and VE had responded to it and then voted for him earlier?

Timing is a bitch
I will add more to this when then is time, the first bunch of quotes were to illustrate a point but i have not yet written it.

I think that after redFF flips scum we should be lynching/vigging ViceraEyes.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 20:50 GMT

#643

On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC.

On February 23 2012 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Toadesstern

Treat BC as you'd treat anyone in this game. It's a semi-invite game. Most everyone here, by Palmar's estimation, should be able to handle this, a more difficult setup. If you think BC is scummy, vote him. Make him contribute. It's not even about pressure - if he's not willing to come show you that he's town, then he's scum and needs to die.

##Unvote: Blazinghand
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler

Just like that.

I know you think I'm scum. I can't figure out why, but I'm aware of it. What I'm saying transcends my alignment. If you're town, you need to do the town thing and vote for who you think is scum.

lol

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 20:50 GMT

#644

On February 23 2012 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
<3 you laya.

Vote for BC. A vote for BC is a vote for town victory!

Sheeping you is a vote for hypocrisy.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 20:59 GMT

#648

On February 23 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

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I'm not scum bro, you're completely mistaken. But you know, feel free to keep not making any sense. You don't even have a case against me, you quoted a bunch of my posts and said "timing is a bitch" which doesn't mean anything without context.

Now shut up, vote BC or you die overnight. I'm 100% serious here.

"or you die overnight. I'm 100% serious here."
so you are either claiming scum, 3rd party with KP or vig.
You are an idiot.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 21:14 GMT

#656

Whilst i would like to call VE dumb with have bigger things to deal with.

Voting for BC right now is not only dumb due to how people have been behaving but it a terrible move. This was first pointed out to me in Purgatory.

If there are two wagons the first wagon is significantly more likely to hit a scum because no counterwagon against a scum player would gain mafia support and the wagon would likely fail. So any successful counterwagon is much more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum because the wagon should only gain support from mafia if it is a townie.Barring a DT check, that is the only time that a counterwagon could be correct.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 21:20 GMT

#664

On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here

Go find a retard.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 22 2012 21:34 GMT

#694

On February 23 2012 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

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On February 23 2012 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF.

And to be precise we have 3 wagons.

RedFF
Bloodyc0bble

-------------->Blazinghand <--------------

RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum.

Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch.

Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him.

Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously.

You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder.

Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him.

Look again pal - I've counted layabout, Blazinghand and WBG all defending you so far.

Saying VE is full of crap, his arguments suck and refusing to sheep VE and BH is not a defense of BC.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 14:23 GMT

#1040

On February 24 2012 18:53 syllogism wrote:
Layabout if blazinghand and RoL were the lynch options today, who would be your pick and why? The one who claims blue and seems towny I take it?

Loaded question much?

I would pick the scummy looking player that is being actively anti-town over the player that has an insubstantial case on them.
I think your push against BC yesterday was built upon weak reasoning and that lynching him would have been awful. In contrast redFF had been scummy and anti-town. After getting 4-5 votes he claimed without good reason and left. There was direct and indirect resistance to his lynch and none of that swayed my opinion. For instance some players suggested that we do not lynch him simply because he had stopped posting or had claimed blue. Scum should not be able to avoid the lynch by doing that.

As far as BH vs RoL goes, My natural bias says to lynch BH. My assessment of who is scummier says to lynch BH.
I am concerned that RoL is essentially being pushed for inactivity and i think that that alone is not enough to justfy a lynch.

My concern with lynching BH is that around the lynch he was trying to push a stupid last minute voteswitch based upon other people's votes and opinions, and not his own. He did this very thing is purgatory when he was town, however this time he seemed far less sure of himself. He switched between redFF and BC several times near to the deadline and that seems to be a very town-like (but awful) play.

On the other hand BH has been repeating the opinions of others in an attempt to appear to contribute. He has been one of the players posting lot of ugly spam.

This Post looks like a scumslip to me:

On February 23 2012 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:

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AS a town player your goal is to not get mislynched, if you do it's your own fault.

As it implies that BH thinks/knows that redFF is town. Meaning he is town and voted for a player he thought was town that had claimed tracker. OR he is scum and just pushed a mis-lynch on a player that he knew was not scum and that had claimed tracker.

I will repeat that he has simply echoed the points of others and has avoided making his own contribution. His "parrot" case on BC and insta-unvote, is scummy to me. This is because i would expect a town player to stick to his convictions ( at least a little). In purgatory town BH tunnelled RoL relentlessly despite having reasons that were somewhere between contentious and false. He recently said we should still lynch BC or risk, which makes his immediate unvote harder to explain. Why would he unvote a player at a time nobody would expect him to, and then still say that we should lynch them?

BH's interaction with risk nuke:

On February 23 2012 02:21 Blazinghand wrote:

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I guess I should ask Jitsu what he asked Chaoser: Where's your case at bro

note the timestamp

On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like:

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And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking.

##vote: risk.nuke

This vote is awful. It also comes a whole page after BC called risk nuke scum for quotes showing "anti town sentiment". Considering that BH's only case had been on BC, this vote makes his behaviour even more suspect. It make me wonder whether or not BH ever believed in "his" case. Clearly he was unwilling to stand by it, but to then call risk scum out of the blue just after his previous lynch target #1 did... well wtf?

And while we are on the topic of inactivity. risk is frequently this active (or lurks like this) at the start of the game. risk has only ever rolled town. Voting him for lurking day1 is essentially voting him for fitting his town meta.

On February 24 2012 13:57 Blazinghand wrote:

Show nested quote +

We should just lynch risk and/or BC. Or risk.

And yet, he is saying that we should lynch risk or BC.

What does BH think? Why on earth does he think that?
I think the answer is that he thinks both players are town. Because they are not on his team. Because he is scum.
+ Show Spoiler +

maybe VE is worse... vote coming soon

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 14:57 GMT

#1043

On February 24 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:
The lynch was between a person who was almost certainly town and thus blue (redff) and a person who at least had a chance of flipping scum. Pretty disappointed by your play since student mafia if you are town in this game too

Almost certainly town?
Sounds like something that you should have explained if you believed it.
this

On February 22 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:

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No, I'm saying that I believe redff is a tracker. I also believe that if there is a scum tracker, there is also a town tracker. Thus, if redff is scum, there is a town tracker out there who can counterclaim. If there is no counter claim, I believe redff is town purely based on that fact. It's not rock solid, but it is reasonable.

Aside that, I personally think redff is town based on other evidence, but in case I'm wrong my suggestion helps. Further, if there is no counter claim and others find my logic reasonable, this would prevent us from lynching our tracker.

Seem to rely on several assumptions that i would not be so quick to make.
It also appear that you yourself were not almost certain that redFF was town, and so i must ask: why the increased certainty?

Additionally if that was the case then any other player would have been a better candidate than redFF, and pushing BC would still have been bad, since you were voicing suspicions was based upon posts in the first few hours of the day that were not all that alignment indicative.

As to your point about my performance, i feel that student was an easier and more enjoyable game to play in because players were actually putting in effort an making reasonable decisions. Since then every game i have played has featured vast amounts of anti-town play and baffling decisions by scum and town alike. There has been large proportions of disinterested and neutral posters. I am having difficulty accounting for play that makes very little to no sense to me and i have gotten frustrated because of this. I really don't see how i am supposed to play aswell in an environment in which logical play is regarded as a backup option, as i did when everybody had access to reasonable advice, where everybody put effort in, and there were very few lurkers.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 15:30 GMT

#1047

On February 25 2012 00:04 syllogism wrote:
Thanks for that explanation actually and I shouldn't just expect you to agree with me on everything, but I know redff and the hosts (and thus can deduce what kind of role setups are unlikely) better than you, so I just hoped you would pay at least some attention to what I'm saying, especially in the light of our previous discussions. The case against redff was basically that he voted and unvoted.

I am paying attention to what you are saying. In fact i have constructed numerous posts that i did not feel were relevant enough that i have subsequently no posted to respond to you.

Last time i followed you was purgatory, (lay scum syllo town) and it lead to me posting a huge case on risk nuke(partially based on meta), me following you onto Erandorr (totally based on meta) in a last minute switch to kill town. Then the next day going back to risk who flipped town. Whilst i was trying to play like town, following your lead and killing Erandorr was very costly for town as day2 was a early mislynch and an extended night devoid of discussion. In that case i felt there were more compelling reasons to follow your reads, and it did not turn out well.

If i wish to improve then whilst i will definitely consider what more experienced or more skilled players say the only town i know will be me*, and i will have to make my own decisions, In this case it was to lynch redFF. The case on redFF was stronger than you are presenting it but it would be best not to dwell on that, unless you suddenly become certain of his alignment and we can better analyse the votes.

*with obvious role-based exceptions

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 15:59 GMT

#1052

On February 25 2012 00:45 syllogism wrote:

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I'm obviously wrong all the time and in this game have already likely been wrong and reassessed. Even now it's still possible that I'm wrong about redff, but I'm not adding caveats when the probability is very low, especially with the data we have since the lynch. Look at the final lynch vote spread and the lack of people attempting to move votes one way or another. Does it still look likely that scum was lynched day 1? Redff didn't even vote to save himself and he was not replaced after his "ragequit" (if that's the case and he wasn't just busy). It is very likely that his team would have known that he won't be posting anymore and requested to get him replaced before the deadline.

Anyway, my town reads are much more reliable than my scum reads, so when I argue against a lynch it's probably worth paying more attention.

I am certain that you know Palmar better than i do. But.

It is very likely that his team would have known that he won't be posting anymore and requested to get him replaced before the deadline.

Replacements
This game does not use replacements. Please sign up only if you intend to actually play the game through. In extraordinary situations (things can always come up). PM me as soon as you know you have to bail, and I will see if I can make an exception

He would not have gotten a replacement.

+syllogism VE Dirkzor BH Toad all tried to push a switch. Which is hardly a lack of resistance, no?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 19:39 GMT

#1087

vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 20:01 GMT

#1097

I was going to post this, but i became unsure of my reads when i started to read through BH's filter. However i might as well post it.

VisceraEyes
+ Show Spoiler [post by post stuff] +

On February 21 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: RedFF

He's going to spam this bitch into oblivion. Anti-town actions are anti-town.

He begins by voting for redFF. Why? because it's reFF, he is gonna be anti town. (By spamming)

Two hours later: (imagine that being said by the narrator from spongebob)

VisceraEyes beleives in "innocent until proven guilty". He believes that we should not lynch ~~redFF~~ Tyrran because he is Tyrran, actions like that introduce negative feelings into the game and drive away players. It's dumb. You can play to win without doing it at the expense of others.

The sheer amount of irony and hypocrasy in this above post overwhelmed me and i will blame my absence on the time it took me to overcome that.

On February 21 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
-snip-
Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die.

So VE now believs redFF to be scum, even though he voted because Spam-Policy, how convenient.

On February 21 2012 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Well certainly not with that attitude.

Any more questions anyone? Let's get this show on the road.

Votes on redFF.

Viscera is encouraging us to vote for redFF.

On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

/salute

What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it.

Jackal called redFF and WBG bad, BC throws VE a compliment about his play.
VE goes from. "We should policy lynch redFF, oh wait redFF is seriously scum" to "redFF is bad and not scum"
He doesn't provide substance to support any of these stances.

On February 21 2012 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 21 2012 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure - I'm trying to figure out if I think they have the same alignments or different alignments based solely on the argument itself.

Did you know that this was VE's first comment about dirkzor?

On February 22 2012 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a hell of a reminder red. Consider yourself off my lynch list.

he was refrring to this:

On February 22 2012 04:16 redFF wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=41447

On February 22 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can feasibly get down on a BC lynch. Just sayin.

but he doesn't vote for another 100 or so minutes, during which time he claims to have misread a post he "unvotes" and then attacks redFF for throwing a tantrum and votes for him.

*this quote may or may not have been edited to demonstrate that VE had no intention of trying to lynch redFF.

On February 22 2012 15:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I did it.

WUUUUUT?

##Unvote redFF
##Vote BloodyC0bbler

so without adding anything he changes his vote.

He is keen to point out that he is just echoing the complaints of other players when he calls WBG scum.
+ Show Spoiler +

He hear belittles inactivity which was the only reason he gave at the time for voting, BC.

On February 23 2012 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 23 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC.

;_; man I don't see what the issue here is with the redFF lynch

Well, he believably claimed tracker and (at least for my part) my scumreads want him dead. That's MY issue with the redFF lynch.

[b]In summary:
VE votes for redFF simply because he expects him to be anti-town but argues against people doing that exact same thing to Tyrran.
VE calls redFF scum and then decides he is not scum without giving reasons for either but after other players had expressed those opinions.
VE unvotes redFF because redFF got up to 7 votes and there were no major objections to the lynch against him. Yet by the lynch deadline 5-7 players had acted in redFF defense.
He eventually votes for BC. the push against BC is met by 2-3 players defending him.
The "resistance to lynch" would indicate that redFF was scum not BC. And yet that is the reason VE offers.

Throughout the day he is keen to remind everyone that he is unsure of his reads and that he can feasibly support a lynch on a number of players. (redFF BloodyC0bbler Dirkzor Tyrran Wherebugsgo RebirthOfLeGenD Blazinghand) and each time he did so he was echoing cases or arguments of others if he gave any reasons at all.
He has been quick to discredit the value of his own reads, and quick to cite other people's reasons. it is as if he wishes to avoid all responsibility for his actions.
After sheeping all game and he also defended the value of sheeping as town (which does cause one to wonder why he would even play if he only intends to follow others).

VE has also contradicted himself in regards to a redFF/Tyrran policy lynch, in regards to voting based upon activity and condemning voting based upon activity and calling BH scum for doing thing that he himself is doing.

VE does not want to contribute his own ideas to the thread. VE does not want to provide substantial or personal reasoning to the thread. VE does not wish to be held accountable for his actions. VE is happy to flame others or threaten to kill them to make them do as he pleases, and he is happy to spam in the thread. VE is happy to provide empty lists and to appear to contribute.

VE is scum.

Having reread that i will add my vote, since i think that they are both scum and i have looked at VE more closely.
[b]vote VisceraEyes

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 20:04 GMT

#1099

EBWOP: ##vote VisceraEyes

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 22:04 GMT

#1116

Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot!

On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie.
Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right?

KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias.

Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP.

But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.

##Vote Rol

I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this

But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.

So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.

+ Show Spoiler [Post on VE] +

On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else.
Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know.
I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie.

You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie

On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:

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mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^).
So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now.

##unvote

You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck?
Oh wait!
You say you only voted for him for reactions! What ~~a great~~ an awful move for a town player to do!
You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list.
Now you are saying you are unsure.

+ Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] +

On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.

I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.

Still reading the last 5 or so pages.

Let me get this straight:
Bh is a huge issue for you.
He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe.
BH has not claimed mafia.
You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy.
Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia.
So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia.

You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us.

That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process.

Toad is basically saying.
"BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion.
I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for."

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 22:48 GMT

#1121

Toadesstern,
are you aware that Kaller game exists specifically so that you can troll/joke around in a game of mafia?
Are you aware that this game is supposed to be difficult and that you are literally not voting for a player because you believe that they are playing too much like mafia would play to be mafia?
lemme thing about the big thing...
+ Show Spoiler [For the love of god do not click me!] +

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 22:49 GMT

#1122

oh, shi-

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 23:06 GMT

#1125

On February 25 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Care to explain why?

let me guess.

"So like, toads are like frogs, the French are known for eating frogs, France is near Britain i am from Britain and therefore you are going to ignore me because that is where i live."

was i close?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 25 2012 17:17 GMT

#1215

You should all be voting for VisceraEyes!
However, Blazinghand is an acceptable lynch, his play is anti-town. His claim does nothing to establish his innocence.

I will have to go in about 90 minutes, so if you want my thoughts on something you need to ask now.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 25 2012 17:48 GMT

#1219

On February 26 2012 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I expect that RoL will be voting for BH since claiming in this game makes you scum apparently

I think it's more along the lines of, "claiming a role that could be claimed as any alignment when you look like scum and are a lynch candidate does not make you town".

Doc are you actually suggesting that we vote so that BH can save himself if in fact he is a double voter by setting up a scenario that would require a collective effort, a collective agreement and cooperation?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 25 2012 18:13 GMT

#1223

On February 26 2012 02:55 Toadesstern wrote:
That's what it was in TL Mafia XLVIII:
+ Show Spoiler +

With 24 players alive, it takes 13 to lynch

List of Voters

Hier (14)

syllogism
Toadesstern
Anonymous
Palmar
Radfield
syllogism
Erandorr
redFF
sandroba
Refallen
Zephirdd
Palmar
Anonymous
Toadesstern
Lanaia
Jackal58
vaderseven
prplhz

I just copy & pasted the text... some of the votes are struck out, that's why some people are on that list twice :p

Simply doublevoting would prove that he is a floridian but given what I said that's not making a difference. If his breadcrumb was any good I'd be willing to say it's a townie for sure but that breadcrum he quoted is literally the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen. Even now that I've got someone pointing at it and telling me 'there it is' I'm not really sure of it. That could be anything and for me it'is just not a breadcrumb.

So it all comes down to wifom imo OR it really is a hidden, passive 2nd vote and there's no possibility to prove it.

Do you realise that an organised and sometimes even an unorganised scumteam will deliberately breadcrumb roles to support claims later in the game?
Do you also realise that there is next to no inherent value in breadcrumbing a double vote ability?
As town bread crumbing such a role increases the chance that scum will see it and kill you.
As town or scum a breadcrumb makes you claim more believable.
Bread crumbing is usually a way for you to hide results from checks so that if you die suddenly town can see your flip and find your breadcrumbs and work out your checks.
A breadcrumb demonstrates that you thought forward so that you could claim later on.
+ Show Spoiler [lifted from mafia scum] +

"A Breadcrumb is a veiled reference to your own role, actions, or results. It's a form of steganography that allows you to reveal sensitive information without making it evident to everyone that you're doing so. Another advantage to breadcrumbing is that it provides credence to any claim you make - if you claim to be a particular role and show a breadcrumb from very early in the game that reinforces your claim, it directly implies that you have been preparing to make this claim from the beginning of the game.
Breadcrumbing has its problems, though. Many times, they cannot be reliably read unless the crumbing player points them out, and if there are no breadcrumbs at all players may waste their time trying to find them. In addition, scum have been known to breadcrumb roles as well; if the role they breadcrumbed became inconvenient to claim, they simply do not point them out later. Last, an obvious breadcrumb will draw the scum's attention and place that player at the top of the list of players they have an interest in killing overNight."

A breadcrumb has bugger all to do with your alignment.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 25 2012 18:32 GMT

#1228

have to go.
lynch VE read my case!

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 26 2012 11:59 GMT

#1283

So is anybody else still playing?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 26 2012 22:16 GMT

#1295

On February 27 2012 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
???? if he is town he is a terrible target for scum to hit

Syllogism? I totally agree.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 26 2012 22:17 GMT

#1296

On February 27 2012 07:16 layabout wrote:

Show nested quote +

Syllogism? I totally agree.

oh wait you were calling toad dumb.

i also agree, Toad your dumb for asking that

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 26 2012 22:23 GMT

#1298

Toad, how could he answer your question?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 16:34 GMT

#1313

So what, we just vote and leave?
It sees like we are forgetting what playing mafia actually involves

Also
+ Show Spoiler [This is dumb] +

On February 27 2012 21:11 Tyrran wrote:
A new day rises. Time to do what scum prevented us to do yesterday.

##Vote RebirthOfLegend.

I guess I should make an elaborate case on why Toad is scum too, so tat we can lynch him tomorrow. Dirkzor, you're not starting day 3 very well. We dont care if Jackal was a town or scum hit. Instead, who do you think is scum is this game ?

+ Show Spoiler [and this is dumb] +

On February 28 2012 01:18 Toadesstern wrote:
voting RoL, syllo flipped town, I'm fetching up my lil sis an getting myself something to eat.

Will pretend I'm actually talking to someone later and explain my thoughts.

The correct reason to vote for RoL is that he is lurking and he is being inactive and his meta suggests that inactive RoL=Scum RoL. He also has not contributed very much in his posts.
That is what sets him apart from the rest of the inactive super friends
+ Show Spoiler [The inactive super friends] +

The inactive super friends are also known as the people that you may have forgotten were playing and their names are as follows:
Captain risk.nuke
Sergeant prphlz
Lieutenant Jitsu
Rear Admiral RoL
Commodore chaoser
Field marshal Tyrran
Corporal Kitaman27
Private Dirzor

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 17:42 GMT

#1320

On February 28 2012 02:35 Dirkzor wrote:
Only private? I was sergeant in real life =/

Is that list in order of who lurks the most?

Its responding to irrelevant things like that that resulted in you being a private.
Ordering lists is for the foolish.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 17:56 GMT

#1324

On February 28 2012 02:40 Jitsu wrote:
Lol, it's funny how he has me third from the top when I have the same amount of filter as he does.

Not only are you not trying to move discussion forward but you are wrong.
If you look at and compare both of our fliters, it is quite clear that i have more in my filter than you have in yours, despite my need to put everything in spoilers.
+ Show Spoiler [here is a picture to illustrate this] +

this is both of our filters viewed in "all", note that the sidebar is bigger in Jitsu's because there is less to scroll through

Why don't you tell us who you want to lynch today Jitsu?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 20:52 GMT

#1342

On February 28 2012 05:51 Toadesstern wrote:
am doing a big post about wbg right now to explain what he's doing :p

HAHA

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 21:17 GMT

#1346

Toad, you are wrong. Again.

Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever.

My first game of Mafia. I was town WBG was town. WBG complimented my play and told me that my analysis was good.
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 30 2011 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:

Show nested quote +

this is good analysis.

The problem is that the chance of getting steveling lynched today is almost 0. I agree with you on most of your points, particularly that he is fond of using unsubstantiated accusations and generalizations to accuse others of being scum.

Other than steveling, are there players who currently have a chance at getting lynched that you would like to see dead?

What are your thoughts on BC, prplhz, deconduo, and Hier?

+ Show Spoiler [Best post in thread] +

On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.

Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.

Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.

Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.

Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.

Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.

Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.

Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 21:19 GMT

#1349

maybe....

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 27 2012 21:46 GMT

#1352

I will answer the 1 non-loaded question

Do you really think wbg would defend me as a townie?

Yes, i think he would. But If and ONLY if he felt that you were town. In previous games such as Tl mafia 47 WBG vehemently defended Palmar from the lynch because he believed that he was town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12436802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12440229
+ Show Spoiler [Fun Fact] +

If you ctrl F his filter you will see that "Palmar" comes up 537 times

But Toadesstern, your play this game is in no way town-like. You have made multiple posts that look like scum-slips and much of what you recently written appears forced.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 18:16 GMT

#1657

Gonna re-read and try not to get mad about having to talk with Blazinghand, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern and Kurumi when i could be commiting more exciting acts of self harm.

VisceraEyes still looks like scum.
##Vote VisceraEyes

layabout

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February 28 2012 19:17 GMT

#1676

prplhz the post before yours belongs to Tyr....

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 19:24 GMT

#1680

That Viscera is still scum and nearly all of the reasons necessary to convince a rational person of this have been made by one person or another.

~~I also discovered more reasons to support my hatred of some of you.~~

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 19:33 GMT

#1684

On February 29 2012 04:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Dirkzor: DrH has called like 7 people scum and never made any cases and never pushed any lynch!!!!

then

Dirkzor: Yeah you made a lot of cases yeah you're pushing toad but you're not pushing any lynch

then

Dirkzor: I never said you didn't make cases I said you didn't make any cases in the last 8 hours when you were out eating dinner and watching tv that's scummy

then

Dirkzor: You don't have a town or scum agenda this makes you scum

seriously guys seriously

You need to focus!
Stop thinking about dumb stuff.
Watch this instead
+ Show Spoiler +

Now that you mind has been soothed, think!
Who is scum?
Got it?
Good.
Now vote Viscera Eyes

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 19:38 GMT

#1689

They are also substantially more likely to ~~be retarded and town.~~ actually believe what they are saying if they happen to be town aligned.

What do you think about the tone of each of those players posts? (VE Toad DIrk)

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 19:43 GMT

#1693

If a player believes that they are acting in town's best interest, then is their behaviour scummy or townie?

It does not matter whether what they are actually doing is, in general scummy or townie. Instead it is their intention when posting that alludes to their alignment.

layabout

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February 28 2012 19:49 GMT

#1702

On February 29 2012 04:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Show nested quote +

the vig hit jackal? it hought so, can you confirm that?

+ Show Spoiler +

wait for it....

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 28 2012 22:09 GMT

#1790

+ Show Spoiler [New Best Post in the Thread] +

On February 29 2012 07:08 Dirkzor wrote:
hm.. So DrH is scum...

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:18 GMT

#1903

On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote:

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If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well.
Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list.
Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE

YOU ARE A GENIUS
VOTE: VISCERAEYES

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:23 GMT

#1907

Read what i wrote at various points and humor Toad by ignoring the various errors in his case.
##vote VisceraEyes

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:31 GMT

#1914

On March 01 2012 07:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum.

##Vote wherebugsgo

If it makes you feel better you just moved past WBG on my scum power rankings.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:40 GMT

#1923

On March 01 2012 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

it doesn't VE is mafia for other reasons. Read layas filter. Read my filter. Read what I posted the last hour. It's all little puzzle peaces comming together.

Also @VE I wasn't referring to you but to RoL. But thx for showing how you thought I was attacking you again.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:46 GMT

#1926

On March 01 2012 07:45 Jitsu wrote:
K, so, instead of reading you're filter [again,] how about you post a case as to why he's suddenly mafia and how we need to vote for him.

Same for you, layabout. Why did you vote for him?

[/QUOTE]

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 29 2012 22:54 GMT

#1932

On March 01 2012 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:

Show nested quote +

I suggest you read this shit:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2278610_tell-poser.html

On February 11 2012 04:21 layabout wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 24 2012 13:51 wherebugsgo wrote:

Show nested quote +

Pull the other one ol' ~~chum~~ scum

layabout

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March 02 2012 17:13 GMT

#2119

On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Cwave, Jitsu, layabout

Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me?

VisceraEyes is my best scumread.
I would be happiest if the remaining town players would open their eyes and vote with me.
We should kill VisceraEyes today.

I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 17:17 GMT

#2120

Additionally, what do you guys think about blue claims today?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 17:32 GMT

#2124

On March 03 2012 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:

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You have a scum read one me? I give up -_-

Night one I received a healing potion from the town alchemist. Night one nobody died. Are there really two other protective roles out of the 9 players that could have survived hits? Even if you ignore the night hits, nobody has even bothered to put even a case against me. Nothing in my filter points to scum.

If you aren't able to achieve the majority on VE, you plan to switch, correct? A stray vote on a player that isn't voting with the group results in a town loss if you aren't scum.

Do you think me posting case on why you are my number3/4 scumread would be beneficial to anybody right now?

I am well aware that i will need to switch if nobody comes back to VisceraEyes (cough cough toad and bugs).

I might re-hash all that has been said against him since so few of the people still alive appear to have read the thread and responded to it.

What i think we need to establish is whether blues should be claiming. On the one hand we probably cannot confirm them and late-claims could lead to chaos that we will have to deal with. But on the other hand it put scum under additional pressure and can help us to strengthen our town reads.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 17:38 GMT

#2127

On March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?

response coming

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 18:23 GMT

#2128

On March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?

~~Much to my dismay I am undecided on both counts~~
RoL
Early on i truly did not see the case on him. I do not believe that inactivty makes a player scum. This has been shown repeatedly in other game and in this game since we have had so many inactive players we know that some of them are definitely town.

Whilst he lurked as scum in Purgatory, it was my understanding that he was genuinely busy.
I think that lynching a player that is inactive is generally not productive and if they are actually busy then it is unfair (though this could be argued).
I did not think the case presented by Dr.H on RoL had much merit. It appeared to me that nearly everyone voting RoL was voting for him based on the assumption that he lurks as mafia. I think that at the time we had better lynch candidates: VisceraEyes Blazinghand and Toadesstern. I am also not sure what RoL has done that makes him less scummy than BC, or even somebody like risk/cwave or chaoser/kurumi. His activity has been on par with Jitsu and much greater than Tyrrans. I think the main thing that made RoL different from these players was the attention he was getting because of alleged "meta".

Then he "ragequit". Now i can understand why somebody would want to quit this game. I think we all can. But coming back to the thread to vote at the last minute is just not a town move. It is possible that he honestly did just open his laptop and discover that he needed to vote. But what he did is utterly deplorable if he is town.

Toadesstern
Based on what i saw in BCAC i can say that Toadesstern is very competant and playing the scums 8th player.
Whilst he clearly put in effort, he seems to be putting lots of effort into deliberately shitting up the thread. On more than one occasion i have found myself halfway into explaining why what he is saying is utter crap, and then realising that pointing it out would not benefit town.

I have tried to look at the reason for him to post the way he does. The most reasonable ones begin with "assume Toadesstern is scum". It is a shame then that this is also the case with his posting in BCAC in which he was town.

Look at this shit (this was the first thing that came to my mind, i know i have mentioned it before):

On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

He decides that BH is too scummy to be judged and then votes for RoL. That is absolutely unjustifiable as town!
The reasons that he gave for that were bullshit. He openly admits to deliberately posting bullshit. But if he is VOTING based on something he KNOWS is BULLSHIT, then he is being SCUMMY AS HELL and we should kill him.

Look at his /in post.

On February 19 2012 23:44 Toadesstern wrote:
/in I guess.

Won't bullshit like last game, I promise. No weird experements, just normal playing without coin-tossing when pissed ❤
Have to make up for my last game after all.

Look at a recent post

On March 01 2012 17:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I like bullshitting around. Imo it's a nice way to find out why someone's posting. There's lots of different people.
People who are happy to finally talk about something like how bad X is and therefore don't have to come up with something themselves.
People who are honestly confused about what I post.
People who should know better.
People who just aren't honest with their reaction.
Oh and it forced people to talk. I like talking!

Oh and it gives a lot of reactions :p

Oh and I also like do exaggerate pretty often. That's my one big issue that gets in the way but luckily gives information as well although it makes me look pretty bad even if I am town and don't mean to do that. So no I VE, I really use terms like "confirmed" or "the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread" quite often imo.

I think i should point out that this may be a defence mechanism. Toad has in the past done some very awful plays(coin flips) and now he claims to have a role that he did not understand and wasted. Perhaps he believes lots of what he says but he gets treated like a fool, so he pretends to be playing the fool on purpose, when in fact he is the fool.

I would happily lynch him for that alone.
My problem with Toad is that he posts so much bullshit i cannot assess whether or not he believes what he says. Because of this i cannot tell whether or not he is being scummy, by hedging or by spamming or by some/other scum like behaviour, OR whether he genuinely believes what he is writing because he has an absurdly unique way of thinking.

He ruined Arkham city for me and he has ruined this game for me too.
I will never sign up for a game with Toadesstern again.
On balance i think they are both scum.
I would prefer to kill Toad.
I think VisceraEyes is the player most likely to flip scum.

And i am not sure if i care more about this game or more about killing Toad.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 18:49 GMT

#2132

He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot.
How is that not wasting his claimed ability?

Toad
I think that the level of disruption you have caused has discouraged people from investing time and effort into this game.

On March 03 2012 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you also inferring that toad is fake claiming his shot on his scumbuddy RoL? I'm not sure I follow your logic layabout.

I am inferring that he is either full of shit and does not think people will willingly analyse him. Or he is a very very foolish.

The "it's rare for newer players to do X" thing is weak.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 19:03 GMT

#2138

On March 03 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

yeah. the guy that has called you scum all game just called me scum, he must be scum

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 19:53 GMT

#2142

The way people are calling me scum without saying may trigger a "hammer mini mafia"-esque fit of rage.
I am town and you need to vote with me.

I was rather unhappy to receive my role at the start of the game. In some ways it is interesting as it is quite powerful and it allowed me to think of the game in a different manner as i had
to asses how to best use my ability to aid town. On the other hand i myself gain no real information, i cannot discover visits or alignments, i cannot call "bullshit" on a fake vig claim, i cannot talk to players privately myself
and i cannot kill scum. I can let others talk, but all i really have is my vote. I am just as in the dark as a vanilla town. When people play stupid, that is a very frustrating place to be. I have tried to push my reads
but my case on VE was buried under a pile of derp and my plan has been shattered.

I am the Operator!
This allows me to give two players PM abilities once per night. A quicktopic will be provided for the two players and they may communicate outside of the thread for the remainder of the gamme. I cannot see the quicktopic. The players alignment's are not revealed to each other.

The plan
Create a PM cicrle between players that i believe are:

Town aligned
Good as town
Putting in enough effort to make use of the PM ability

Also, the more players introduced the higher the chance that mafia would discover/ become a part of it. By linking the players in a circle when one dies they could still communicate.
+ Show Spoiler +

I would either connect 3 players in a circle eg A>B B>C C>A, or if i was confident in another town read, 4 players A>B B>C C>D D>A, these players would be able to communicate privately
allowing them to get better reads on each other and hopefull push better reads in the thead together. It would also create a group of near-confirmed town players who could then crush the late game.

The Execution
Night 1
On day1 i set about searching for townies. The best of these townies was syllogism. He was my coach in studen and i think he has a very good approach to the game and is an excellent scumhunter.I had reservations sbout his reads on day1, for example his reasons for accusing BC were very weak.
Discussing things unrelated to scumhunting in the opening hours of day1 is not a good reason to lynch a player on day1, particularly when there are several players hell-bent on shitting up the thread.
In spite of his poor push on BC i think his play demonstrated that he was town. He was actively trying to move discussion forward and he was attempting to lead town.
I also think that it was unlikely that he would be scum, since his scum play is typically less active and quite obviuos, a mafia -aligned syllogism would have been quickly caught.
Additionally, of all the players in the game i feel that syllogism would make best use of PMs, as i would expect him to catch bullshit if the person he talks with is lying to him. It was for this reason that he became the "link".

Another player that i had a town read on was Wherebugsgo. In Tl mafia 47 i remember him playing very well, catching at least 8/16 scum. He was outspoken at times and he was agressive
and sometimes a little mean. But he called bullshit when he saw it and he displayed an abilty to think critcally which appears to be quite a rare gift. In this game i had seen the same play from
the same player. He has been abrasive and pushed his reads, he has called so much bullshit, and yet even he, has had to leave most of it untouched. He has also posted a large amount and he clearly cares about this game.

night one i "masoned" syllogism and WBG.

Night 2
Everybody seems to think that Dr.H is worth listening to, and from what i have read in this game and in BCAC he can look at situations intelligently and can make logical deductions. He had spoken
much sense and he appeared to agree that VisceraEyes is mafia. His posting demonstrated pro-town intentions. He was also putting effort into the thread and i felt he would utilise the PM rights better than anybody else.

I decided to mason Dr.H to syllogism, since i thought that Dr.H would be more inclined to engage in an open discussion with syllogism. Whilst i felt (and still feel) that all 3 were(are) town,
i had most confidence in syllogism and i beleive that if mafia were invited to PM he would catch them and push them in the thread without revealing other players he was in contact with to them.
But syllogism was kiled and i was brought back to square 1.

night two i "mason" syllogism and Dr.H

Night 3
By this point Dr.H seemed flustered. His reads had been all over the place and he did not seem focused. I was less certain that he was town than i had been previuosly. I therefore decided to link WBG to my next best choice: Kitaman.
He is perhaps the only person that is still actively playing in the game that has acted like he has a brain. I considered adding Tyrran or BloodyC0bbler, but frankly i would not expect either of them to even use the qt as they rarely post in the thread.

night three i "masoned" WBG to kitaman

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 20:36 GMT

#2145

On March 03 2012 05:34 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +

He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit?

Yes.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 20:38 GMT

#2146

##vote Toadesstern

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 20:46 GMT

#2149

On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with.

So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately?

THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 20:56 GMT

#2156

On March 03 2012 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
But if you're scum, why wouldn't you have included beast-mode BC in your little "plan"....the only reason I can imagine is because that would be too obvious...especially if you were lynched and flipped scum operator - that would immediately implicate BC if he's scum too and in circles with people by virtue of his reputation alone.

"Beast mode BC"?
BC is know for good scumplay. So he would be hard to catch as scum, yes?
BC is not known for his good townplay. So he is not an ideal choice, yes?
Syllo thought he was scum. So linking him with syllo would be unproductive, yes?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 21:00 GMT

#2161

On March 03 2012 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you plan to switch off toad, layabout?

Well he is scum, so no.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 02 2012 21:08 GMT

#2169

On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote:
So you're saying that I'm scum layabout?

You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion?
You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread?

jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes.

You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes.
You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you.

You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 03 2012 22:43 GMT

#2316

Last night i masoned Jitsu and cwave.

last night Tyrran did not because he is not the operator.

Tyrran is scum. This is confirmed to me.
##Vote Tyrran

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 03 2012 22:44 GMT

#2317

lolwtf

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 03 2012 22:52 GMT

#2324

I made my decision yesterday and i wrote my post before seeing his.

since i cannot mason myself and i would never mason somebody that is confirmed scum to me there where about 21 combinations that either he or i could pick.

that he posted that before i hit post is ridiculous.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 06 2012 20:11 GMT

#2447

Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway.

On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol.

Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed.
[spoiler="avenger vig" is weak if and only if you are bonkers]Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +

since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch

the proportion of mafia on that lynch is likely to be higher than the proportion of mafia in the game, this avenger vig role seems to be a vig-shot with aim assist. Furthermore, by reducing the number of people you can aim at, a player with that role would be more inclined to look at and carefully analyse each potential target whereas a normal vig may be less inclined to perform in-depth analysis on every player they can shoot (which is everyone) before taking their shot. Your claimed role basically forces you to make a good shot, particular if you are not a player that puts a huge amount of effective time and effort into deciding their actions.[/spoiler]

I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me.

I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves.

Please think.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 06 2012 20:13 GMT

#2448

EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers?

Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway.

On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol.

Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed.
+ Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] +

Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +

since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch

I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me.

I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves.

Please think.
I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves.

Please think.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 19:51 GMT

#2473

How can there be two operators?

Maybe scum can change a flip.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 19:58 GMT

#2476

On March 08 2012 04:54 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Who do you think we should lynch today? What do you think about BC?

Yo, check the voting thread.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 20:04 GMT

#2478

On March 07 2012 06:46 Toadesstern wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 07 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers?

Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway.

On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol.

Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed.
+ Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] +

Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +

since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch

well guess what. IF I were a normal vig RoL would have flipped mafia n2.
Since I am not I was not allowed to shoot him before n3 making it (thanks to our suicide bomber) the only time I was able to shoot him because if I decided not to shoot that night I could not have shot at all because it would have been lylo and I would have needed a townie lynch.
You may whine all you want about how this "helps" people to aim but fact is I wanted to shoot a mafia n2 and was not allowed to because I had to wait another night resulting in shooting him n3 instead. Yes imo it IS a weaker vig because of both, the possible target requirements and the requirements to shoot in the first place.
How can you not agree with that? If you think avenger is more noob friendly with downsides that's fine with me but that's not what I was talking about so please stop derailing.

You so silly Toad.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 20:13 GMT

#2479

On March 08 2012 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:
No comment?

Kitaman what do you think about Player X?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 20:18 GMT

#2480

No comment?

Maybe i can draw a link between what i believe your alignment is and what i want players to believe his alignment is so that i can fullfil my 3rd party wincon, resulting in a town loss as i manage to keep myself alive, again, having claimed a DT role that has only investigated players that were awful DT target's and pushed my lynches with poor questions and poor logic.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 20:40 GMT

#2481

Why has nobody claimed the shot on Tyrran?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 20:54 GMT

#2484

So if a town vig shot VE...
and the scum medic protected VE...
then.... VE is confirmed town!

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 07 2012 21:02 GMT

#2486

On March 08 2012 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
They shot me remember? Bugs protected me from a hit unless he was roleblocked.

On February 19 2012 21:05 Palmar wrote:
Players

previous games - Scum Doctor Lynched day 5

On March 08 2012 05:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum medic didn't protect me layabout you're fucking high. Scum have no incentive to protect any townies at this point in the game, you guys are dropping like flies. You need townies to die fastly, scum aren't protecting ANYONE that's non-scum.

I suggest that you are the one that is in fact "fucking high"

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 08 2012 21:39 GMT

#2489

well this was an eventful day!

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

March 08 2012 21:46 GMT

#2490

I initially planned to create a town circle between competant players that i beleived to be town-aligned.
That did not work out very well.

Instead, stupidity has reigned, and it appears to be winning.

So i thought, if stupididty is what is needed then i should use my power to aid it.

I thought that connecting the two players that have committed the most horrendous crimes against deductive logic in this game would be the stupidest, and thus the best move!

So last night i masoned Toadesstern and VisceraEyes