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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2012 21:17 GMT
#1346
Toad, you are wrong. Again.
Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever.


My first game of Mafia. I was town WBG was town. WBG complimented my play and told me that my analysis was good.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2011 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 07:40 layabout wrote:
my best scum read:
Steveling: Town with frequent Scum-like behaviour that or Scum that slipped on a banana peel and bashed his head? hard. You decide!
On November 27 2011 22:18 Steveling wrote:
My first post in my first mafia game guys.

I find the Palmar-Annul debate about double lynching suspicious.
For one, I am not convinced why DL(double lynching from now on) is a must or else town is at a disadvantage. For all we know these two could operating together.
I feel like we are pushing too fast. Mind that I'm a complete newb so my insticts can be totally off.

Can you explain why you are rooting for DL so hard?

highlights that he is new. finds a debate suspicious because...he isn't sure about double lynching, he may have actual thoughts about it but there are important him not being unsure is the thing that the thread needs to know.
"They could be operating together"... guys remember when you consider possibilities the least likely one is the only one that should be noted! steveling has the right idea. Highlights that he is new again because if you don't offer your opinion and someone disagrees with it then then need to be aware of how long you have been playing mafia.
"layabout you are being unfair he said he "feels like we are pushing too fast"" so how is that helpful "well....".
On November 28 2011 14:24 Steveling wrote:
Can we note that Cheese on his first ever post on this thread attacked me?

I'm a newbie and obv a towny but I made scum predictions for Palmer. All my other posts were completely neutral.
Thus he is simply trying to protect Palmer from 2nd day lynch by framing me.

Too tired to look for clues, will post after 8 hours.

saying I'm a newbie when you defend yourself is nearly equivalent to saying you can't have a legimate reason to attack me im not scum with a agenda but im simply a bad new player making mistakes QQ... when refering to oneself and calling oneself a town or indeed an "obv town" the act itself is wiithout value. NO PLAYER HAS ANY REASON TO EXPLICITY STATE THAT THEY ARE TOWN the exception being in situations in which you are claiming your specific role i pointed this out earlier but the short of it is that nobody claim mafia-->everybody is assumed to claim town--> if everyone will claim town then instead nobody should claim town a very few do (cept maybe but kenpachi but he is .... kenpachi).

You then say that all your posts were completely neutral. Your post as an "obv towny" should be pro-town and you should (generally) not hold back. i think neutral posting and having a red role may be correlated

you then state that cyber cheese is trying to protect Palmer from a second day lynch which is something that you CANNOT possibly KNOW, and then that the way he is doing something that you cannot possibly know he is doing is through framing you.This is a wild and claim without basis.
Too tired to look for clues* but not too tired to type that you are too tired; and omit evidence and a chain of logic instead?
*he doesn't promise analysis but clue-finding - an activity that is highly manipulable and that by itself has very little value and that can favor mafia when not supported by evidence, which gicen the evidence he is consistently supplying makes the clues he finds + Show Spoiler +
even more manipulable

On November 29 2011 06:28 Steveling wrote:
One of my votes will go to Palmer.

He has made the YM slip up and I'm not satisfied with the explaining he gave.

He has made the extremely obvious comment '' Medics don't target on Ace ''

He is now suddenly switching targets accusing prphlz. He realizes his time is nigh and he doesn't have enough sway against Ace so he needs an easier to frame scapegoat.

My other vote will probably go to xtfftc. Most damning evidence on his profile.
I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club.


Nope this is fine. Based on the sample of all of the mafia games i have played i can agree that no town has ever had reason to suddenly change their vote. A fantastic conclusion. Well spotted. though i do wonder what makes his change of target "sudden".
On November 29 2011 06:56 Steveling wrote:
On November 29 2011 06:28 Steveling wrote:
I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club.

It might be a club, but it is not a wooden bat, matey.


Seriously?
[image loading]

he then concludes that behavioural analysis was not for him* and that the best way to scumhunt is to follow 1 round of clues and has a debate about whether a police baton=wooden bat he cherrypicks a google image search and finds an image. He then ignores captain dictionary AKA xtfftc and decides that he has a jolly good case and
votes for him and palmar

*disclaimer ficticious conclusion made to mock him may or may not be more valid that the actual derping going on inside his head
On November 29 2011 08:58 Steveling wrote:
##vote Palmer
##vote xtfftc

On November 29 2011 10:11 Steveling wrote:
Someone asked for views on Erandorr.

Here's what got my attention

On November 26 2011 02:04 Erandorr wrote:

I will be voting for Palmar. He pushed a very solid campaign from the start and put a lot of effort in it. The effort part is actually important when trying to figure out his alignment. He kept activity high, engaged the new players in the conversation and discussed basicly every topic that got brought up. Thats more pro town than I have ever seen him play.





So, Palmar, a veteran and a good player(as people are saying) that himself has said he's better at town play than scum ( too tired to filter him to privide quote but I will do it if asked) is playing his most pro town play. Why would he make such a big mistake on YM then?

infers that ym=town mean that palmer=scum. or he is just asking questions and not helping.

On November 28 2011 10:50 Steveling wrote:
On November 28 2011 10:41 Palmar wrote:
@medics, protect Ace.

If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player.


That's as clear a scum tell as it gets for me. Couln't be any more clear cut tbh.

there you have it. "to be honest that is the most clear cut scum tell possible." no explanation whatsoever. but i will concede it is highly convincing. (what is the scum tell!??)
On November 28 2011 03:32 Steveling wrote:
Less drama more actual discussion yes?

good point.
On November 28 2011 04:42 Steveling wrote:
I didn't, I was subbed really late and I didn't know there's a vote yet.

excuse
On November 30 2011 02:19 Steveling wrote:
On November 30 2011 02:18 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote:
Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.

We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake.


How would him flipping town tell us anything about other players.

That has no logic behind it at all.


If he flips town we get to filter those who targeted him.

some bad formatting this refer to the italics inside the quote. Steveling complains about having to read the thread. In an 80 person game of mafia! He pushes for a modkill on Annul a player he has not addressed until this point!(so he is what a null read with a higher chance of being town than mafia unless steveling's others reads identify a greater proportion of town than mafia) but maybe steveling has a reason to suspect he is mafia.

he doesn't. apparently if he is town and he gets modkilled we can then filter players that targeted him! so you dont care if he is mafia.you also down't care that 2 lynches will happen today and that mafia have at least 8 kp and that all players to be mod-killed thus-far have proved to be town There will be lots more deaths and lots more information. You want to lynch because if we hit a townie then we will gain information to analyse. Specifically we can look at the filters of players who openly called the townie suspicious. You realise that calling him scummy and him getting mod-killed and flipping town wouldn't help us at all, right? And you haven't realised that we can filter those players anyway. but thanks for directing me to your filter, i didn't have a strong scum read until now.it is scummy to want to kill players for information you kill players because they are mafia* there are almost no worse reasons to lynch than "to gain information".he is also experienced and possibly an asset to town
*or serejai
best reason i could find on palmar
On November 29 2011 06:39 Steveling wrote:
Ok triple post.

The ''All medics target Ace'' is extremely obvious as well for different reasons.
I'm sure mafia would very much like it the town medics would protect only one player so they would get free reign on everyone else.

correct me if another post sum it up better but this is the most concrete thing i could find about palmer being scum. directing blue roles has been discussed to death and 1 inference about one possible result and the intention to get that result is not evidence that a player is scum
On November 29 2011 15:14 Steveling wrote:
Just remember guys that we don't need to martyr Ace.
He was a towny but he might very well be off about his predictions.


i totally agree with this, he actually acknowledges the existence of uncertainty.
On November 30 2011 03:59 Steveling wrote:
Layabout's filter is a big pile of non contributing posts.
Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar.
He now does the same thing standing up for WBG.
WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.

We are in for a great night gents.

huge unsubstantiated generalisation about my filter. does not back up. criticising my posting at great length at 2 points in the game. heavily implies that jackal being town makes me scum for a "dispute over palmar" i would not decribe it as such even if it were it would not have a bearing on alignment. Criticising a poor argument is apparently standing up for WBG though he provides no source. He then implies that WBG is scum for having a "history" of defending palmar. Steveling is calling 3 players scum and has made very little effort to say why? i may be infering to much here but the inferences i make here are the ones i felt made the most sense in context. I shouldn't have to make so many inferences when a townie is presenting a case for players being mafia.

On November 30 2011 04:27 Steveling wrote:
Zephirdd is another guy just like Cheese with less than 5 posts coming out and saying things without backing them up.
Scum buddies much?

calls zephhirdd and cheese scumbuddies for a reason that i just cannot comprehend.the point about not backing up the things they say is baffling. would scum play this thoughtlessly?

to conclude there are large number of statements and accusations that are't supported. There is very little use of logic in any of his posts. He has done certain things that do not make sense from the perspective of someone who wants town to win. He also makes frequent excuses and acts in a way that suggest he thinks that clues are they best way of contributing. He votes for palmer and xtfftc and i cannot fathom why he would do so as town. He is pushing weak/ non cases and providing little no to explanation.
He is my strongest mafia read. he could be a very unhelpful and/or bad town. he is the best scum i have
##Vote steveling


this is good analysis.

The problem is that the chance of getting steveling lynched today is almost 0. I agree with you on most of your points, particularly that he is fond of using unsubstantiated accusations and generalizations to accuse others of being scum.

Other than steveling, are there players who currently have a chance at getting lynched that you would like to see dead?

What are your thoughts on BC, prplhz, deconduo, and Hier?

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On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.

Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.

Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.

Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.

Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.

Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.

Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.

Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2012 21:19 GMT
#1349
maybe....
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#1352
I will answer the 1 non-loaded question
Do you really think wbg would defend me as a townie?

Yes, i think he would. But If and ONLY if he felt that you were town. In previous games such as Tl mafia 47 WBG vehemently defended Palmar from the lynch because he believed that he was town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12436802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12440229
+ Show Spoiler [Fun Fact] +
If you ctrl F his filter you will see that "Palmar" comes up 537 times


But Toadesstern, your play this game is in no way town-like. You have made multiple posts that look like scum-slips and much of what you recently written appears forced.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 18:16 GMT
#1657
Gonna re-read and try not to get mad about having to talk with Blazinghand, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern and Kurumi when i could be commiting more exciting acts of self harm.

VisceraEyes still looks like scum.
##Vote VisceraEyes
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:17 GMT
#1676
prplhz the post before yours belongs to Tyr....
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:24 GMT
#1680
That Viscera is still scum and nearly all of the reasons necessary to convince a rational person of this have been made by one person or another.

I also discovered more reasons to support my hatred of some of you.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:33 GMT
#1684
On February 29 2012 04:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Dirkzor: DrH has called like 7 people scum and never made any cases and never pushed any lynch!!!!

then

Dirkzor: Yeah you made a lot of cases yeah you're pushing toad but you're not pushing any lynch

then

Dirkzor: I never said you didn't make cases I said you didn't make any cases in the last 8 hours when you were out eating dinner and watching tv that's scummy

then

Dirkzor: You don't have a town or scum agenda this makes you scum


seriously guys seriously

You need to focus!
Stop thinking about dumb stuff.
Watch this instead
+ Show Spoiler +

Now that you mind has been soothed, think!
Who is scum?
Got it?
Good.
Now vote Viscera Eyes
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:38 GMT
#1689
They are also substantially more likely to be retarded and town. actually believe what they are saying if they happen to be town aligned.

What do you think about the tone of each of those players posts? (VE Toad DIrk)
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#1693
If a player believes that they are acting in town's best interest, then is their behaviour scummy or townie?

It does not matter whether what they are actually doing is, in general scummy or townie. Instead it is their intention when posting that alludes to their alignment.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 19:49 GMT
#1702
On February 29 2012 04:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On February 29 2012 04:46 Kurumi wrote:
On February 29 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote:
anyway we need to get some people on one guy unlike wbg said. I don't want mafia to manipulate this thing I'm fine with lynching prpl / wbg / RoL right now.

I disagree with Kurumi when he said we should lynch lurkers to our vigs because that clearly hasn't worked the last 2 days...

Jackal is dead.
Vigilante is doing his/her job.
Unless You know more than us, of course.

the vig hit jackal? it hought so, can you confirm that?

+ Show Spoiler +
wait for it....
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 28 2012 22:09 GMT
#1790
+ Show Spoiler [New Best Post in the Thread] +
On February 29 2012 07:08 Dirkzor wrote:
hm.. So DrH is scum...
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:18 GMT
#1903
On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote:
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On March 01 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
or roleblock you, for that matter

If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well.
Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list.
Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE

YOU ARE A GENIUS
VOTE: VISCERAEYES
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:23 GMT
#1907
Read what i wrote at various points and humor Toad by ignoring the various errors in his case.
##vote VisceraEyes
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#1914
On March 01 2012 07:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum.

##Vote wherebugsgo

If it makes you feel better you just moved past WBG on my scum power rankings.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:40 GMT
#1923
On March 01 2012 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
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On March 01 2012 07:36 Jitsu wrote:
On March 01 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2012 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't follow Toades logic probably from lack of paying attention to what he was talking about Day 2, can someone explain how this incriminates VE??

  1. I wanted to shoot VE n2 because I thought he was scummy
  2. I thought about AC and how I shot 3 townies in a row and figured I should instead just trust syllo
  3. It was really late so I last second switched to RoL without checking if he actually voted for BH because so many people voted for him and I was certain he did as well
  4. Shooting RoL was not a valid move because he never voted BH and I still had my bullet because I never shot to begin with
  5. I shot RoL a couple of minutes ago and he's still alive. Either I'm rb'ed (thx for painting me in a mafia-esque color DocH) or the guy got mafia protected. Since we got town KP mafia medic is pretty likely
  6. VE is confirmed mafia for completly other reasons, still I shot RoL because I feared that a town-moron might shoot me after DocH's furious attacks on me, so I decided to shoot RoL first to get him out of the way and not give town the oppertunity to let him back in the game after successfully ruining it


So the question remains;

How does this incriminate VE.


it doesn't VE is mafia for other reasons. Read layas filter. Read my filter. Read what I posted the last hour. It's all little puzzle peaces comming together.

Also @VE I wasn't referring to you but to RoL. But thx for showing how you thought I was attacking you again.

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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:46 GMT
#1926
On March 01 2012 07:45 Jitsu wrote:
K, so, instead of reading you're filter [again,] how about you post a case as to why he's suddenly mafia and how we need to vote for him.

Same for you, layabout. Why did you vote for him?


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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 29 2012 22:54 GMT
#1932
On March 01 2012 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On March 01 2012 07:46 layabout wrote:
On March 01 2012 07:45 Jitsu wrote:
K, so, instead of reading you're filter [again,] how about you post a case as to why he's suddenly mafia and how we need to vote for him.

Same for you, layabout. Why did you vote for him?


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I suggest you read this shit:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2278610_tell-poser.html

On February 11 2012 04:21 layabout wrote:
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On February 11 2012 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 11 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:
On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate)
3. ???
4. Profit.

We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.

fixed


That's actually what I meant. Thx.

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On February 24 2012 13:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On February 24 2012 13:07 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes If you show that nested quote you'll see that he says "if you are town".


[image loading]

Pull the other one ol' chum scum
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2012 17:13 GMT
#2119
On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Cwave, Jitsu, layabout

Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me?

VisceraEyes is my best scumread.
I would be happiest if the remaining town players would open their eyes and vote with me.
We should kill VisceraEyes today.

I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2012 17:17 GMT
#2120
Additionally, what do you guys think about blue claims today?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2012 17:32 GMT
#2124
On March 03 2012 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 03 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch.


You have a scum read one me? I give up -_-

Night one I received a healing potion from the town alchemist. Night one nobody died. Are there really two other protective roles out of the 9 players that could have survived hits? Even if you ignore the night hits, nobody has even bothered to put even a case against me. Nothing in my filter points to scum.

If you aren't able to achieve the majority on VE, you plan to switch, correct? A stray vote on a player that isn't voting with the group results in a town loss if you aren't scum.

Do you think me posting case on why you are my number3/4 scumread would be beneficial to anybody right now?

I am well aware that i will need to switch if nobody comes back to VisceraEyes (cough cough toad and bugs).

I might re-hash all that has been said against him since so few of the people still alive appear to have read the thread and responded to it.

What i think we need to establish is whether blues should be claiming. On the one hand we probably cannot confirm them and late-claims could lead to chaos that we will have to deal with. But on the other hand it put scum under additional pressure and can help us to strengthen our town reads.
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