EPTWhy not give a PM game a go? I'm expecting solid advice in the thread from those that have played PM games before.
Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Why not give a PM game a go? I'm expecting solid advice in the thread from those that have played PM games before. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Also you may want to have a browse over some of these threads to get a feel for basic play styles. + Show Spoiler [guides] + Useful Guides for Your Perusal
Past Newbie Mafia Games Just make sure you are clear with where you stand and don't apologise for being new. Be as clear as you can when you post. Hope this helps! | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 I will keep an eye on Mr zeurg, you are correct that an account created specifically for mafia could indicate a smurf. I guess we shall see. Finally, to those signing up, please can we have a civil game! Arkham City and the GM Mini are so full of angry people. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
![[image loading]](http://snesorama.us/board/images/smilies/ninja.gif) | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
It's just roles that have description such as Short Fuse (Brutal): Can provoke another forumer into getting banned with a personalized insult Probably won't make for a friendly atmosphere. Watching Arkham City and GM's Mini descend into name calling wasn't much fun. I hope the same doesn't happen here. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:54 Bluelightz wrote: @Probolous why no include Student Mafia  its a newbie game too x_xI got those from the OP in the Newbie Games. There are lots of references around. Wasn't commenting on your play  | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 08 2012 18:26 Palmar wrote: Doubtful. Eventually someone will do something stupid, and I'll be forced to explain why they're being stupid. Well as long as it is explained. Nothing wrong with calling stuff stupid if you show why. It's people creating pages and pages of back and forth that annoys me. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:52 Blazinghand wrote: Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game. *everyone breathes a sigh of relief* Can we call you scum if you start spamming then? I will endeavour to do some similar this game. I am not happy with my style from my first game. I am trying to change but it is harder than I thought. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:15 GMarshal wrote: That's a bitter generalization -__- I'm not bitter or destructive... You're also not playing... As above, come join us | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 Come on you can do better than that. ## Filet with monkey wrench: Blazinghand | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Ideas? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 09 2012 07:48 Blazinghand wrote: Hey Prob, do you treat a being a Mason the same as being a townie? I mean Masons naturally hide stuff from other people and create confusion so surely it is better to keep things in the thread. What is the advantage of a Masoning a player over a thread conversation particularly that you cannot guarantee the person you are talking to is town? In addition to this any and all trolls are going on my FOS list this game. I have yet to have someone explain how trolling is any different to lurking. Yes, but I thought masons knew each others alignment. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
## Research: Cleansing Fibre | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Lets say someone cannot be online around lynch time and so they target someone who despite them knowing ends up getting lynched. Do they lose their action or will they get to reuse it before the day post? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
All bitches, lets this game going. Regarding the fanboy thing, it sounds like a "mayor" role. I agree with not using it. If town has agreed on a lynch then by changing the target you are acting against the town. I would say the only time this would be acceptable is if you're a DT that has a green/blue check on the leading lynch target. Then you would have to switch the lynch target and claim before daybreak. Actually, that would depend on who the lynch target is, what role they have and how close to MYLO we are. It is probably better to have the DT permanently hidden. OK, so it is a no to switching the lynch target even if you have a green check? Thoughts people. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hello. /confirm I prefer Skype. My skype name is Blazinghand. A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO (say, with 3 town and 1 scum) he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory. That's your logic for not using the rabid fanboy trait? That he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO? Sorry son you have to do better than that. Fanboy should not be used because that person is deliberately acting against a town consensus. They make themselves look scummy as hell and (unless they have a green check, which outs them as a DT so why bother) they may have saved a red. This applies for the whole game, not just near MYLO. BH, you can do better. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote: /confirm All bitches, lets this game going. Regarding the fanboy thing, it sounds like a "mayor" role. I agree with not using it. If town has agreed on a lynch then by changing the target you are acting against the town. I would say the only time this would be acceptable is if you're a DT that has a green/blue check on the leading lynch target. Then you would have to switch the lynch target and claim before daybreak. Actually, that would depend on who the lynch target is, what role they have and how close to MYLO we are. It is probably better to have the DT permanently hidden. OK, so it is a no to switching the lynch target even if you have a green check? Thoughts people. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote: I present to you: THE PLAN!!! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/omzLG.jpg) CLAIMING Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTING Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLS Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! lol Do you a have a point? Yes that is where I got it from. It stuck with me because it made sense to me and I have seen mayor roles before. Nice to see that you are reading previous games though. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote: ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go. Love you too. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote: ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go. Palmar, I know you like keep things close to your chest but it doesn't help anyone else when you don't explain yourself. How do you "know" there are six mafia? As for Grack he has the same understanding of the fanboy trait that I do and he is participating so I don't see why he is mafia. I am town, so clearly your radar is off. You started the game positively and so far I have you pegged as town. So help out a fellow townie and explain what I am missing. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote: [/center]A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. He called me scum, so yes his radar is off. Anyway nice to see you here Prpl. What are your thoughts on Grack? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
[09:45] == Probulous [webchat@203.166.17.27] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [09:45] <Grackaroni_> hello [09:45] <Probulous> Even brothers [09:45] <Probulous> evening* [09:45] <Grackaroni_> theres nothing going on in here lol [09:45] <Grackaroni_> I think everyones afk [09:46] <Probulous> Fine, your thoughts on my thoughts about the rabid fan-boy thing. I posted in teh thread about it. [09:47] <Grackaroni_> oh if a player is a dt then he should be able to switch it [09:47] <Grackaroni_> he has more information than the town so he can make a better decision [09:49] <layabout> Probulous [09:49] <layabout> where did you get the idea that fanboy was mayor from? [09:51] <Grackaroni_> I can understand that. Mayor decides 1 lynch the leader can switch 1 lynch. sort of similar. [09:52] == derpladee [~ukulele@x1-6-00-26-f2-31-92-e1.k1064.webspeed.dk] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [09:52] <derpladee> who is kawe [09:52] <Grackaroni_> idk [09:53] <layabout> he has been here for ages [09:54] <layabout> palmar wasn't worried about him/her [09:55] <@Palmar> he's a friend of mine [09:55] <@Palmar> not playing the game [09:55] == Palmar changed the topic of #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT to: No scum allowed [09:59] <Grackaroni_> Hey palmar maybe you can not be a troll in thread? [09:59] <Probulous> @Grack, No the problem is that having a hidden DT is good. If the DT outs themselves to save a townie that townie better be worth a hell of a lot. Cause DT is going bye bye that night. I guess it depends on when this happens [09:59] <Grackaroni_> theres a lot of new people that will listen to you're shit [09:59] == Mattchew [webchat@174.44.3.68] has quit [Ping timeout] [10:00] <Probulous> That is why I wanted people's thoughts. [10:00] <layabout> game will end really quickly because the last one did [10:01] <@Palmar> Why are you afraid of that Grack? [10:01] <layabout> thoughts? [10:01] <@Palmar> normally no one ever listens to me [10:01] <Probulous> Is it better to have a hidden DT but have a miss-lynch or out the DT and try and save him with a medic to prevent that miss-lynch. Given the DT will look pretty bad for switching the target? [10:01] <@Palmar> because they think I might be scum [10:01] <Grackaroni_> its annoying [10:01] <@Palmar> Why? [10:01] <Grackaroni_> I talked to you 5 minutes [10:01] <@Palmar> layabout talked to me 2 minutes, I think he's town [10:01] <Grackaroni_> then you troll in thread [10:01] <@Palmar> not trolling [10:01] <@Palmar> I think you're scum [10:01] <@Palmar> prove me wrong [10:01] <Grackaroni_> you gonna shoot me? [10:01] <@Palmar> No, not yet. [10:02] <Probulous> He he thanks Palmar [10:02] <Grackaroni_> also why does Layabout think you're town Palmar? [10:02] <@Palmar> why are you asking me questions about what other people think? [10:02] <@Palmar> why don't you ask him? [10:02] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason [10:02] <Probulous> Yo layabout you want to explain what is wrong with reading previous games? [10:03] <layabout> where did i say i think that? [10:03] <Grackaroni_> to tell you [10:03] <@Palmar> it's scummy probulous [10:03] <Probulous> You;re LOL [10:03] <Grackaroni_> I'm making an assumption [10:03] <Probulous> Why? [10:03] <@Palmar> whatever, prob is probably not scum [10:03] <@Palmar> Grack is though [10:03] <@Palmar> ok [10:03] <@Palmar> let's hang Grack tomorrow [10:03] <Probulous> Come on Palmar I want to know why it is scummy. Please explain [10:03] <Grackaroni_> honestly [10:04] <Grackaroni_> . . . [10:04] <layabout> nothing, i was amused that you were lifting content but not saying crediting your source [10:04] <@Palmar> lol [10:04] <@Palmar> u mad? [10:04] <Probulous> Right, ok fair enough then. [10:04] <@Palmar> got figured out in 2 minutes [10:04] <@Palmar> afk [10:04] <Probulous> No I aint mad. I want to learn. [10:05] <@Palmar> I'm talking to Grack [10:05] <Grackaroni_> yes [10:05] <@Palmar> you're uninteresting atm [10:05] <@Palmar> afk [10:07] <Grackaroni_> well I g2g in 5 minutes [10:11] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case. [10:12] <Grackaroni_> afk [10:15] <Probulous> Palmar, why do you assume there are 6 scum? I can't find it in the OP so either I have missed something or you are assuming based on info I don't have or you are mafia. Which is it? [10:17] == Mattchew [webchat@174.44.3.68] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members [10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that? [10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread. [10:32] <@Palmar> it's in the op [10:35] <Probulous> Can you quote it for me cause for the life of me I cannot find it. All I see is ???blah blah blah but nothing that states three per pack. To be honest it is driving me nuts. [10:35] <@Palmar> oh right [10:35] <@Palmar> yeah [10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role [10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though [10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams [10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total [10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm [10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often [10:38] <@Palmar> oh [10:38] <@Palmar> wait [10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game? [10:38] <@Palmar> dota game [10:38] <@Palmar> bbl [10:40] <Probulous> So it was a derp then... Great because I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out where you got six scum from. He doesn't explain it in there either  I don't think I like irc. It is too hard to read what people are saying in context. Plus you get ignored if people don't want to answer your question. Re: Rabid Trait I am trying to work out whether it is worth a DT outing himself to save a miss-lynch. For example if the DT has a green check on the target he can switch them out at deadline and then claim right before dawn. That way he is looking pretty scummy overnight and will hopefully survive with two townies intact. Alternatively he can stay quiet and save himself but let a miss-lynch go through. The consensus here seems to be to not use the trait ever but I can think of circumstances where it is not a bad idea. What your thoughts on this? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote: If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6. [10:35] <@Palmar> oh right [10:35] <@Palmar> yeah [10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role [10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though [10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams [10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total [10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm [10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often [10:38] <@Palmar> oh [10:38] <@Palmar> wait [10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game? [10:38] <@Palmar> dota game [10:38] <@Palmar> bbl It was a derp. He thought there was only one of each role from what I understand. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote: Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote: Lets talk about how bacon is good for me! Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: Hi Prob!  You completely left the IRC , so how could I respond back to you? [10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members [10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that? [10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread. I asked to respond in the thread. Clearly you didn't read it properly or you didn't want to respond. So why are you actively lurking and why did you think there were three wolves per pack? I find it really strange that people just assumed Palmar was right. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:42 Blazinghand wrote: Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. What I said: A Rabid Fanboy makes a 1 town 1 scum situation (where he is the town) a town victory, if he hasn't used his power. He can use it and win a 1 vs 1 vote. What you said: "he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO" I... I don't even know how you misunderstood me. In any case, english is your second language so I will cut you some slack. Take a moment to check things out before being dissappointed though, and maybe use google translate if you're having trouble dealing with compound sentences. I don't have a desktop IRC client, and using webirc won't make logs for me. Skype does, however. Is it such a pain for you to log into skype? We can even make chat rooms and shit so it shouldn't be a problem (though with those you'll want to copy/paste logs since people can edit previous IMs). Play nice. No need to insult people. My point was simple, you seemed to be implying that the only time that it is not advisable to use the trait is near end game. Of course in the situation you used it would be stupid to switch the leader. My point was that it makes no sense to point out a narrow definition of when you cannot use the trait when you shouldn't be using it ever. You said "A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO", well to me he should never be using it. You didn't explain why it is ok to use it at other times, eventhough everyone else seemed to think differently. If you did not mean that, then you should make yourself clear. Honestly, what is with your hostility? You mad bro? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 Ok, I misread. Apologies BH. Still keep your rage inside alright. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote: I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies) Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote: I'm going to play exactly like I usually do. If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote: Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game? FOS Bluelightz | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Anyone else get one? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote: Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game? FOS Bluelightz Ok it seems the search wasn't picking up him correctly, I used "blue' instead of "Blue". Reading logs now. God damn IRC is a bitch to read. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Mr Not A Smurf, AKA zeurg, where you at brother? This [10:14] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here [10:14] <UpHomework> no idea [10:14] <Probulous> Now that IS an insight. *claps loudly* [10:14] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff [10:15] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this [10:15] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum? [10:15] <zeurg> no im a townie [10:15] <zeurg> fo sho is not enough to redeem you for lurking. I expect and answer to my question [10:19] <Probulous> Since you haven't posted anything at all, what are your reads, feelings, gut instincts, tea leaves saying to you? Come on son, I know it is your first game but just gives answer this. I won't bite, or at least not too hard. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:21 prplhz wrote: Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet) I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though. You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way. However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game? The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 "Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing". Why won't you tell me who else you sent PMs to? I don't get it. I haven't voted for you yet because the only evidence I have is that you PM'd SpiritClown but no-one else. That seems scummy to me but you won't post the one thing that would clear it up for me. Why not? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb. I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: That's a shit argument. The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. To me that is something scum do. Why would town try and see what newbs are giving away? For mafia it makes it easier to find blues. For town you may identify a blue but more importantly you are luring them into giving away information to someone they cannot know if town. Besides mafia have friends to ensure that the newbs don't do stupid stuff. I said to Prpl in IRC that I accept his logic but still think the tactic is scummy. Town rolefishing just makes town look suspicious for no real gain. As mentioned before, your primary goal early game should be to establish innocence and find scum. How does PM only newbs help that? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote: @Probulous Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good? You didn't even read my defense did you? What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true. I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Don't even bother, I tried asking and got a shitstorm instead. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I want to split Mr Not A Smurf (zeurg) in half. Who do you want to swing? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:15 SpiritClown wrote: Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D So who should we be lynching today? ^^ And sorry laya and Blazing And we lost a doctor... so sad You scum bro? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. Maybe but if somone is collecting votes for reasoning that doesn't make sense to you, it should be obvious that you would defend them right? I mean you could be wrong and they could be scum but they could be town. So if they are being lynched for a dumb reason you should sure as hell say something about it. Doesn't mean you are on the same team. I don't get scum vibes from Lanaia, it would have been too easy to jump onto the Prpl wagon yesterday, or say nothing. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
zeurg He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [22:45:08] *** Joins: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) [23:14:23] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here [23:14:46] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff [23:15:06] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing. [23:15:18] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum? [23:15:26] <zeurg> no im a townie [23:15:35] <zeurg> fo sho Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until [00:42:04] *** Quits: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed) Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response. [00:43:53] <Probulous> PS, I have been trying to get zeurg to post through a private chat but no answer. As soon as I sent another post he left IRC. He is deliberately avoiding posing. Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner. He is currently not adding anything to the discussion and is coasting along in the shadows. Mafia will be smiling after killing a leading townie and our doctor. Well time to bring them into the light. ##vote: zeurg | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 06:58 Probulous wrote: Well that was a shit night. Bad luck BH and layabout, you obviously played too well. You scum bro? Prpl pointed out to me in IRC how stupid this is so I am retracting it. If this needs explanation, ask. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 19:04 Kenpachi wrote: Night starts suck. IM TOWNIE LETS GET THIS SHIT GOING FUCK IRC. THREAD ACTIVITY NAO I agree that IRC sucks compared to thread activity. So would you like to actually participate? What have you got so far? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Lurkers - Not the good kind
There are others who have not posted much but what they have posted has felt townie to me. These guys I can't work out (except zeurg, you're going down). | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Here it is Original Message From Bluelightz: Ahh, okay thanks for replying. Will PM again if there is new topics Sorry bro | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:31 Grackaroni wrote: In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either. Yeah it was more the timing than anything else. It was so weird you jumping in right after Lanaia and I had been talking about him. Given my mix up on the PMs, I retract the kettle statement. I don't know what is up with my reading this game | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Am I correct in saying that you think both Sentinel and SpiritClown are mafia because they claimed to be mafia? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:55 Kenpachi wrote: l0l its ironic how i never followed my own words I was too tired though so i went to sleep for the day and started my hw. Man, IRC setups are LAME. Just getitng lines of text you never want to read. WTF? you're a semi vet i dont even know why you are fake pressuring a lurker. i thought youd learn by now that ITS NOT EVEN PRESSURE. But honestly, you're never bold in your actions so i cant say much about this except that its fucking terrible Oh ya, PM me if you want to talk to me on skype or IRC or TL. I will ignore all PMs that are straight up spam like this one. I will answer in public: no I don't think Kenpachi is scum either. Oh and Lanaia, very disappointed. I pointed out the same thing to Sentinel yesterday. You should know there is no point in "pressure" voting someone. You vote them and let them respond. You totally undermine your case here. I haven't seen anything scummy from Kenpachi aside from lurking but he what he has said seem "enthusiastic". Plus he noted your weak pressure vote. From what little reading I have done, Kenpachi either trolls or lurks most games, so this is not unusual. So no, Kenpachi is looking more town than scum right now. Finally it looks like the zeurg man and Hufy are geniunely afk and will probably be mod-killed. Putting together my reads now. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Sentinel His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye. Then he goes and says this On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC [22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment [22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum [22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia [22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa [22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says [22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is [00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol [00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him. Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel Sorry bro as much fun as you are, you rolled mafia this game. PS: This is irrelevant to the case so it is in spoilers but I had a giggle + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 09:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Idea for IRC since it's being logged: Don't make posts like this where you type individual clauses at a time But rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too  ) at least make an attempt for this one.That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
probe probulous I love it when you say that  | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
@Palmar: You left IRC before I could respond to you. I don't know why I thought you said dangerous, the word you used was worrying. Here is the exchange. [00:23:46] <Bluelightz> Palmar what do you think of Double Lynching Zeurg & Sentinel based on Sentinel's defense of him? [00:23:57] <Palmar> I think that's terrible Bluelightz [00:23:57] <Bluelightz> Oh XLVII lol [00:24:00] <derpladee> and i pushed 3 mislynches in SNMMIV [00:24:21] <Palmar> You can never deduce anything about anyone's alignment from someone else [00:24:27] <Bluelightz> kk [00:24:29] <Palmar> that's giving mafia cards [00:24:31] <derpladee> only sentinel can do that [00:24:44] <Palmar> also, I don't think those two people are the most worrying figures You seemed to imply that Sentinel and Zeurg were not the most worrying figures and that you had others on your list. At first I thought you meant you had two people who were more worrying but now I read again you could have just meant these two were not worth the effort. Given sinani has done nothing, I would hardly call him worrying, is he the person you had in mind when you wrote this? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Go west and you will find what you are looking for | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
See you tomorrow. PS: Paperscraps, explain your ninja vote. Don't think I didn't notice. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
@Paperscraps. I wrote that post when you were writing yours, hence my follow up about ninjas in the wind. I see now that my word choice was probably not best. So no I did not see your post when I wrote that. Still nothing from Sentinel, so my vote stands. Looking forward to a greener town tomorrow with less mafia to muddy the waters. Goodnight all | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
The only consolation for me is that Mattchew was on my townie list so it extra good that he is dead. Ok guys this is simple, we lynch Sentinel today. My case hasn't changed since yesterday and all that he has given is his defense. No attempt in actually helping town, just trying to save his ass. Now before you jump all over me for saying that town could do that as well let me walk you through his defense. On February 17 2012 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown. That only works if you are on the same team buddy. Plus I doubt Prpl would listen to you. He seems pretty set in doing what he wants. Note that Sentinel here doesn't even try and deny that he support rolefishing. He just says that he would tell prpl to not do it if he was scum. Then he goes and says this This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia. There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it? You only retracted that mate when both Lanaia and I pointed out how stupid it was. You were directly attacking her and when she pushed back you realised you couldn't make the case. That fact remains that you made a real attempt to link the two based off of one's flip. Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong. That is your explanation? Seriously? That you expect to hear from him. If you truly wanted him to talk you have just straight up agreed that he needs to post. But no you write this lovely explanation why he doesn't have to post and then cover your ass with you expect him to post? I am sure he was shaking in his boots. You knew the whole point of my case was put a blowtorch under him and you doused it straight away. "Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story. As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see. The difference here is that you are scum. Why would you post that as town? On top of these scummy actions you have provided no cases, no content, no mafia for us to lynch. All you have done is subtly undermine me, and prevent me from pushing my cases. That isn't a problem if you provide something yourself, but no you have tried to gain town credit by pointing out the flaws in what I post. Easy way to look active without contributing. TLDR I see no reason to change my position from yesterday. If Sentinel finds me mafia I may reconsider but until then he has my vote. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg If you aren't going to support the case then don't say anything because it gives the lurker an excuse not to post. If you have an issue with the case then point it out. If you are going to support the case don't give the guy an excuse not to post. I agree that Prpl's PM thing was a huge distraction (which he blames on me) but that doesn't make him mafia. Besides I agree with Palmar that he actively tried to get sinani to post before Palmar targeted him. That shows he was actively trying to avoid a possible miss-lynch as a mafia prpl would have let him fall. It is a small thing but the way prpl said it in IRC did not seem like he was trying to claim brownie points. So right now you are more suspicious to me than him. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 17 2012 09:09 Bluelightz wrote: Three Townies for one scum like what Prob said .I'm getting on irc right now. Come join me, I am all by my lonesome... | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Cause zeurg sure looked like mafia. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 17 2012 13:07 Grackaroni wrote: Funny coincidence that zeurg was the player replaced... Just from the fact that he would pop into IRC avoid talking and leave at the same time probulous started pming him. Really strange to sign up for a game in the first place and actively avoid talking, makes a little more sense from a scum perspective. IRC is waiting. This means nothing because we can never know why it was that zeurg was replaced and hufy was mod-killed. Well at least until the end of the game. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:50 Bluelightz wrote: I think ghost is scum. Reasons: Let's look at his post's, Take a look at his filter, then take a look again at his filter but ignore his post's about prp let's see what it leaves, Take a look at those, over half of those post's are useless. Conclusion? He is being useless and keeps on tunneling prp for reasons. Also this, his 3rd point against prp 3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do. Why is not telling the list of people he PMed scummy? PMs are "Private Message" amiright? So, ##Vote: ghost_403 This is terrible, terrible hypocrisy. For blatant sheeping and no attempt at even trying to provide some insight you go onto my naughty list. You have added nothing all game so to call someone out for making a case is too much. Naughty
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote: So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence. Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town. Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here. froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one. bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way. rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one. prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list. So, what is left is to find the scum in the following. phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high. gg no re Ok lets lynch [UoN]Sentinel (obviously) and Lanaia, less obvious but more to come. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 18 2012 09:23 Nisani201 wrote: WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever. You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you. Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz? You should read On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote: bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Obs QT? | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 23 2012 01:01 syllogism wrote: prplhz: probulous was the godfather; he played well because he scanned scum every night and clearly knew what was going on ♥ syllo I didn't think Mattchew was scum when I scanned him so that was a mistake but I did pick Palmar day 2 and Lanaia day 3. Unfortunately they were on the same team. It was a hard role to play because I had to scum hunt but try and stay alive. Palmar played this like a pro. I think once both BH and layabout were shot town was already facing a major battle. The only person who was town and could stand up to Palmar with any credibility was Prpl and he got shot that night. The rest of town was far too passive and sheepy to ever put together a convincing case. Thanks guys it was fun, though I think I will stick to minis. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I am completing the library entry for this and was wondering whether anyone wanted to put together some analysis for me. I'll add mine but it always better if we have multiple entries. Thanks! | ||
| ||
