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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 16 2012 05:37 GMT
#397
oooh Ninjas be about!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 16 2012 06:50 GMT
#399
Just got home from work. Quick post before the lady of the house arrives home.

@Paperscraps.
I wrote that post when you were writing yours, hence my follow up about ninjas in the wind. I see now that my word choice was probably not best. So no I did not see your post when I wrote that.

Still nothing from Sentinel, so my vote stands. Looking forward to a greener town tomorrow with less mafia to muddy the waters.

Goodnight all
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 16 2012 23:06 GMT
#459
Urgh, three townies for one scum

The only consolation for me is that Mattchew was on my townie list so it extra good that he is dead. Ok guys this is simple, we lynch Sentinel today. My case hasn't changed since yesterday and all that he has given is his defense. No attempt in actually helping town, just trying to save his ass. Now before you jump all over me for saying that town could do that as well let me walk you through his defense.

On February 17 2012 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Sentinel


His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes
On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.

This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye.


If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown.


That only works if you are on the same team buddy. Plus I doubt Prpl would listen to you. He seems pretty set in doing what he wants. Note that Sentinel here doesn't even try and deny that he support rolefishing. He just says that he would tell prpl to not do it if he was scum.


Then he goes and says this
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On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.

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On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.


This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip.

He takes up the argument in IRC

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[22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment
[22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum
[22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia
[22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa
[22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other

Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says
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[22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios

The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is
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[00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol
[00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here

Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia.

Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other.

And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia.

There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it?

You only retracted that mate when both Lanaia and I pointed out how stupid it was. You were directly attacking her and when she pushed back you realised you couldn't make the case. That fact remains that you made a real attempt to link the two based off of one's flip.

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Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes
This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.


Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong.


That is your explanation? Seriously? That you expect to hear from him. If you truly wanted him to talk you have just straight up agreed that he needs to post. But no you write this lovely explanation why he doesn't have to post and then cover your ass with you expect him to post? I am sure he was shaking in his boots. You knew the whole point of my case was put a blowtorch under him and you doused it straight away.

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Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post.

"Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story.

As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see.


The difference here is that you are scum. Why would you post that as town? On top of these scummy actions you have provided no cases, no content, no mafia for us to lynch. All you have done is subtly undermine me, and prevent me from pushing my cases. That isn't a problem if you provide something yourself, but no you have tried to gain town credit by pointing out the flaws in what I post. Easy way to look active without contributing.

TLDR
I see no reason to change my position from yesterday. If Sentinel finds me mafia I may reconsider but until then he has my vote.

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 16 2012 23:17 GMT
#460
Prpl being subtle again. Come on man make it clear for us. Ghostie I have the same problem with you as I have with Sentinel. This

On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:
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On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch

zeurg

He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]


We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote.

FOS zeurg


If you aren't going to support the case then don't say anything because it gives the lurker an excuse not to post. If you have an issue with the case then point it out. If you are going to support the case don't give the guy an excuse not to post.

I agree that Prpl's PM thing was a huge distraction (which he blames on me) but that doesn't make him mafia. Besides I agree with Palmar that he actively tried to get sinani to post before Palmar targeted him. That shows he was actively trying to avoid a possible miss-lynch as a mafia prpl would have let him fall. It is a small thing but the way prpl said it in IRC did not seem like he was trying to claim brownie points. So right now you are more suspicious to me than him.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 17 2012 00:10 GMT
#462
On February 17 2012 09:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Three Townies for one scum like what Prob said .

I'm getting on irc right now.


Come join me, I am all by my lonesome...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 17 2012 01:28 GMT
#465
Welcome nisani201, you scum?

Cause zeurg sure looked like mafia.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 17 2012 04:15 GMT
#474
On February 17 2012 13:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Funny coincidence that zeurg was the player replaced... Just from the fact that he would pop into IRC avoid talking and leave at the same time probulous started pming him. Really strange to sign up for a game in the first place and actively avoid talking, makes a little more sense from a scum perspective.


IRC is waiting. This means nothing because we can never know why it was that zeurg was replaced and hufy was mod-killed. Well at least until the end of the game.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 17 2012 15:29 GMT
#481
On February 17 2012 19:50 Bluelightz wrote:
I think ghost is scum.

Reasons: Let's look at his post's,

Take a look at his filter, then take a look again at his filter but ignore his post's about prp let's see what it leaves,

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On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/

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On February 13 2012 20:53 ghost_403 wrote:
On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/

its not much to learn.
/join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT
thats all you need


I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something


On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town.


ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you.


Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc.

Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC.

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On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.

I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points.

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On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:
On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch

zeurg

He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]


We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote.

FOS zeurg

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On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:
On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:

To mattchew
[...]


Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-

And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me

And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.




Things you have contributed in this post:

1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't.
2) ...

This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch.

There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind.

##Vote: SpiritClown

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On February 16 2012 07:07 ghost_403 wrote:
On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote phagga

SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?

well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.

Im Kenpachi. you dont do that


Not sure if troll?

Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again?

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On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@lanaia

It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you.


<Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion
[19:46:57] <ghost_403>
[19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%"
[19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up
[19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1
[19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread
[19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
[19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet
[19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice)
[19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why
[19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him
[19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him
[19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone
[19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread
[19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being
[19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up
[19:50:42] <Paperscraps>

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On February 16 2012 09:39 ghost_403 wrote:
On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):

Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown

Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content



On February 16 2012 08:51 phagga wrote:
##vote [UoN]Sentinel


On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote:
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote sinani206


Hey phagga. What's up?

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On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:
EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post.

Post by Paperscraps



Take a look at those, over half of those post's are useless.

Conclusion?

He is being useless and keeps on tunneling prp for reasons.

Also this, his 3rd point against prp

3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do.

Why is not telling the list of people he PMed scummy? PMs are "Private Message" amiright?

So,

##Vote: ghost_403




This is terrible, terrible hypocrisy. For blatant sheeping and no attempt at even trying to provide some insight you go onto my naughty list. You have added nothing all game so to call someone out for making a case is too much.

Naughty
  • [UoN]Sentinel
  • Bluelightz

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 18 2012 00:04 GMT
#489
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.

Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.

So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.

phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg

And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.

gg no re


Ok lets lynch [UoN]Sentinel (obviously) and Lanaia, less obvious but more to come.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 18 2012 00:06 GMT
#490
prplhz, you're such a troll
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 18 2012 00:30 GMT
#492
On February 18 2012 09:23 Nisani201 wrote:
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On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching

lanaia

and

[UoN]Sentinel

lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.

[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.

WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever.

You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you.

Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz?


You should read
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#552
GG you bastards

Obs QT?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#686
On February 23 2012 01:01 syllogism wrote:
prplhz: probulous was the godfather; he played well because he scanned scum every night and clearly knew what was going on


♥ syllo

I didn't think Mattchew was scum when I scanned him so that was a mistake but I did pick Palmar day 2 and Lanaia day 3. Unfortunately they were on the same team. It was a hard role to play because I had to scum hunt but try and stay alive. Palmar played this like a pro. I think once both BH and layabout were shot town was already facing a major battle. The only person who was town and could stand up to Palmar with any credibility was Prpl and he got shot that night. The rest of town was far too passive and sheepy to ever put together a convincing case.

Thanks guys it was fun, though I think I will stick to minis.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 07 2012 23:50 GMT
#693
Bump!

I am completing the library entry for this and was wondering whether anyone wanted to put together some analysis for me. I'll add mine but it always better if we have multiple entries.

Thanks!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
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