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February 12 2012 23:29 GMT

#122

On February 13 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote:
ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go.

Palmar, I know you like keep things close to your chest but it doesn't help anyone else when you don't explain yourself. How do you "know" there are six mafia? As for Grack he has the same understanding of the fanboy trait that I do and he is participating so I don't see why he is mafia. I am town, so clearly your radar is off.

You started the game positively and so far I have you pegged as town. So help out a fellow townie and explain what I am missing.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 12 2012 23:47 GMT

#126

On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:

A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game.

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He called me scum, so yes his radar is off. Anyway nice to see you here Prpl. What are your thoughts on Grack?

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Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 00:00 GMT

#128

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[09:45] == Probulous [webchat@203.166.17.27] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT
[09:45] <Grackaroni_> hello
[09:45] <Probulous> Even brothers
[09:45] <Probulous> evening*
[09:45] <Grackaroni_> theres nothing going on in here lol
[09:45] <Grackaroni_> I think everyones afk
[09:46] <Probulous> Fine, your thoughts on my thoughts about the rabid fan-boy thing. I posted in teh thread about it.
[09:47] <Grackaroni_> oh if a player is a dt then he should be able to switch it
[09:47] <Grackaroni_> he has more information than the town so he can make a better decision
[09:49] <layabout> Probulous
[09:49] <layabout> where did you get the idea that fanboy was mayor from?
[09:51] <Grackaroni_> I can understand that. Mayor decides 1 lynch the leader can switch 1 lynch. sort of similar.
[09:52] == derpladee [~ukulele@x1-6-00-26-f2-31-92-e1.k1064.webspeed.dk] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT
[09:52] <derpladee> who is kawe
[09:52] <Grackaroni_> idk
[09:53] <layabout> he has been here for ages
[09:54] <layabout> palmar wasn't worried about him/her
[09:55] <@Palmar> he's a friend of mine
[09:55] <@Palmar> not playing the game
[09:55] == Palmar changed the topic of #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT to: No scum allowed
[09:59] <Grackaroni_> Hey palmar maybe you can not be a troll in thread?
[09:59] <Probulous> @Grack, No the problem is that having a hidden DT is good. If the DT outs themselves to save a townie that townie better be worth a hell of a lot. Cause DT is going bye bye that night. I guess it depends on when this happens
[09:59] <Grackaroni_> theres a lot of new people that will listen to you're shit
[09:59] == Mattchew [webchat@174.44.3.68] has quit [Ping timeout]
[10:00] <Probulous> That is why I wanted people's thoughts.
[10:00] <layabout> game will end really quickly because the last one did
[10:01] <@Palmar> Why are you afraid of that Grack?
[10:01] <layabout> thoughts?
[10:01] <@Palmar> normally no one ever listens to me
[10:01] <Probulous> Is it better to have a hidden DT but have a miss-lynch or out the DT and try and save him with a medic to prevent that miss-lynch. Given the DT will look pretty bad for switching the target?
[10:01] <@Palmar> because they think I might be scum
[10:01] <Grackaroni_> its annoying
[10:01] <@Palmar> Why?
[10:01] <Grackaroni_> I talked to you 5 minutes
[10:01] <@Palmar> layabout talked to me 2 minutes, I think he's town
[10:01] <Grackaroni_> then you troll in thread
[10:01] <@Palmar> not trolling
[10:01] <@Palmar> I think you're scum
[10:01] <@Palmar> prove me wrong
[10:01] <Grackaroni_> you gonna shoot me?
[10:01] <@Palmar> No, not yet.
[10:02] <Probulous> He he thanks Palmar
[10:02] <Grackaroni_> also why does Layabout think you're town Palmar?
[10:02] <@Palmar> why are you asking me questions about what other people think?
[10:02] <@Palmar> why don't you ask him?
[10:02] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason
[10:02] <Probulous> Yo layabout you want to explain what is wrong with reading previous games?
[10:03] <layabout> where did i say i think that?
[10:03] <Grackaroni_> to tell you
[10:03] <@Palmar> it's scummy probulous
[10:03] <Probulous> You;re LOL
[10:03] <Grackaroni_> I'm making an assumption
[10:03] <Probulous> Why?
[10:03] <@Palmar> whatever, prob is probably not scum
[10:03] <@Palmar> Grack is though
[10:03] <@Palmar> ok
[10:03] <@Palmar> let's hang Grack tomorrow
[10:03] <Probulous> Come on Palmar I want to know why it is scummy. Please explain
[10:03] <Grackaroni_> honestly
[10:04] <Grackaroni_> . . .
[10:04] <layabout> nothing, i was amused that you were lifting content but not saying crediting your source
[10:04] <@Palmar> lol
[10:04] <@Palmar> u mad?
[10:04] <Probulous> Right, ok fair enough then.
[10:04] <@Palmar> got figured out in 2 minutes
[10:04] <@Palmar> afk
[10:04] <Probulous> No I aint mad. I want to learn.
[10:05] <@Palmar> I'm talking to Grack
[10:05] <Grackaroni_> yes
[10:05] <@Palmar> you're uninteresting atm
[10:05] <@Palmar> afk
[10:07] <Grackaroni_> well I g2g in 5 minutes
[10:11] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case.
[10:12] <Grackaroni_> afk
[10:15] <Probulous> Palmar, why do you assume there are 6 scum? I can't find it in the OP so either I have missed something or you are assuming based on info I don't have or you are mafia. Which is it?
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[10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members
[10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that?
[10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread.
[10:32] <@Palmar> it's in the op
[10:35] <Probulous> Can you quote it for me cause for the life of me I cannot find it. All I see is ???blah blah blah but nothing that states three per pack. To be honest it is driving me nuts.
[10:35] <@Palmar> oh right
[10:35] <@Palmar> yeah
[10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role
[10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though
[10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams
[10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total
[10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm
[10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often
[10:38] <@Palmar> oh
[10:38] <@Palmar> wait
[10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game?
[10:38] <@Palmar> dota game
[10:38] <@Palmar> bbl
[10:40] <Probulous> So it was a derp then... Great because I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out where you got six scum from.

He doesn't explain it in there either

I don't think I like irc. It is too hard to read what people are saying in context. Plus you get ignored if people don't want to answer your question.

Re: Rabid Trait
I am trying to work out whether it is worth a DT outing himself to save a miss-lynch. For example if the DT has a green check on the target he can switch them out at deadline and then claim right before dawn. That way he is looking pretty scummy overnight and will hopefully survive with two townies intact. Alternatively he can stay quiet and save himself but let a miss-lynch go through. The consensus here seems to be to not use the trait ever but I can think of circumstances where it is not a bad idea. What your thoughts on this?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 00:41 GMT

#136

On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote:
If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6.

[10:35] <@Palmar> oh right
[10:35] <@Palmar> yeah
[10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role
[10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though
[10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams
[10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total
[10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm
[10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often
[10:38] <@Palmar> oh
[10:38] <@Palmar> wait
[10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game?
[10:38] <@Palmar> dota game
[10:38] <@Palmar> bbl

It was a derp. He thought there was only one of each role from what I understand.

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Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 00:58 GMT

#138

On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment.

Aaah, you're a pretty queen now

I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 01:09 GMT

#141

On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets talk about how bacon is good for me!

Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 01:39 GMT

#145

On February 13 2012 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:

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Hi Prob!

You completely left the IRC , so how could I respond back to you?

[10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members
[10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that?
[10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread.

I asked to respond in the thread. Clearly you didn't read it properly or you didn't want to respond. So why are you actively lurking and why did you think there were three wolves per pack? I find it really strange that people just assumed Palmar was right.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 05:51 GMT

#156

On February 13 2012 12:42 Blazinghand wrote:

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Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate.

What I said: A Rabid Fanboy makes a 1 town 1 scum situation (where he is the town) a town victory, if he hasn't used his power. He can use it and win a 1 vs 1 vote.
What you said: "he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO"

I... I don't even know how you misunderstood me. In any case, english is your second language so I will cut you some slack. Take a moment to check things out before being dissappointed though, and maybe use google translate if you're having trouble dealing with compound sentences.

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I don't have a desktop IRC client, and using webirc won't make logs for me. Skype does, however. Is it such a pain for you to log into skype? We can even make chat rooms and shit so it shouldn't be a problem (though with those you'll want to copy/paste logs since people can edit previous IMs).

Play nice. No need to insult people.

My point was simple, you seemed to be implying that the only time that it is not advisable to use the trait is near end game. Of course in the situation you used it would be stupid to switch the leader. My point was that it makes no sense to point out a narrow definition of when you cannot use the trait when you shouldn't be using it ever.

You said "A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO", well to me he should never be using it. You didn't explain why it is ok to use it at other times, eventhough everyone else seemed to think differently. If you did not mean that, then you should make yourself clear.

Honestly, what is with your hostility? You mad bro?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 06:05 GMT

#158

Ok, I misread. Apologies BH. Still keep your rage inside alright.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 21:30 GMT

#222

On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:

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I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)

Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia.

Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game

On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.

If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched.

Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town.

So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 21:32 GMT

#224

EBWOP: Seems he asked Lanaia in IRC.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 21:45 GMT

#228

On February 13 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz

Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game?

FOS Bluelightz

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Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 21:47 GMT

#232

Thanks Spirit, seems odd he got mad when you refused to respond. Surely most people did that?

Anyone else get one?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 22:09 GMT

#235

On February 14 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote:

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Ok it seems the search wasn't picking up him correctly, I used "blue' instead of "Blue". Reading logs now. God damn IRC is a bitch to read.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 13 2012 23:25 GMT

#236

Ok Blue is frustratingly null to me again. Onto other lurkers...

Mr Not A Smurf, AKA zeurg, where you at brother?

This

[10:14] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here
[10:14] <UpHomework> no idea
[10:14] <Probulous> Now that IS an insight. *claps loudly*
[10:14] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff
[10:15] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this
[10:15] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum?
[10:15] <zeurg> no im a townie
[10:15] <zeurg> fo sho

is not enough to redeem you for lurking. I expect and answer to my question

[10:19] <Probulous> Since you haven't posted anything at all, what are your reads, feelings, gut instincts, tea leaves saying to you?

Come on son, I know it is your first game but just gives answer this. I won't bite, or at least not too hard.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 14 2012 00:28 GMT

#240

On February 14 2012 09:21 prplhz wrote:

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Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet)

I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though.

You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way.

However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game?

The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 14 2012 00:46 GMT

#244

Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing. You said if you play differently then you are scum. Well to me you are playing differently. That is all.

Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl?

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Australia3894 Posts

February 14 2012 00:51 GMT

#246

"Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing". Why won't you tell me who else you sent PMs to? I don't get it. I haven't voted for you yet because the only evidence I have is that you PM'd SpiritClown but no-one else. That seems scummy to me but you won't post the one thing that would clear it up for me. Why not?

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Australia3894 Posts

February 14 2012 00:56 GMT

#249

Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.

A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.

I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 14 2012 01:20 GMT

#257

On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

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That's a shit argument.

The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.

To me that is something scum do. Why would town try and see what newbs are giving away? For mafia it makes it easier to find blues. For town you may identify a blue but more importantly you are luring them into giving away information to someone they cannot know if town. Besides mafia have friends to ensure that the newbs don't do stupid stuff. I said to Prpl in IRC that I accept his logic but still think the tactic is scummy.

Town rolefishing just makes town look suspicious for no real gain. As mentioned before, your primary goal early game should be to establish innocence and find scum. How does PM only newbs help that?

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