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prplhz
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On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote: /in as a newbie  I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around | ||
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prplhz
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On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote: HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD? YOU KILLED MY COMMAND CENTER | ||
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/IN I'm in another game so if anybody else wants my spot that's fine by me. | ||
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Anyway, I'm really excited as always | ||
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Why did you drop "Surprisingly" from this game series name? Anyway, since this is a semi-open setup with very normal roles, I don't think it makes sense to discuss plans. I can't even think of one, but I'm horrible at plans anyway. This means a ton of behavioral analysis which is going to be nice, I could use the training alright. Oh yea, and I'll be trying to play kind of how I did in Responsibility Mafia! if you want to read another one of my games. Going to try to keep the good things (shooting wherebugsgo in the face/groin and defenestrating him) and throw away some of the bad things (calling out for BloodyC0bbler's lynch). Hello. My name is prplhz. You killed my command center. Prepare to die. ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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##Vote: Sinensis He's talking about no-lynching and he's making stupid lists. Rest is fluff. I think we found ourselves a scum here and I guess sinani206 will have to wait. | ||
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##Unvote: sinani206 ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game. @sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me? | ||
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##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. | ||
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On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today. As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you? Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on. It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this. | ||
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@sinani206 I thought you wanted to use this game to get back into mafia, then why are you clearly not putting a lot of effort into this game? First your terrible post on me and now this, one of them is scum because they are voting for each other? That's pretty stupid, townies in that situation will most likely just vote for whoever else is up for lynch to save themselves (and so would scum). You are voting for [UoN]Sentinel, because he has gone quiet in the face of votes, what about the analysis on Timeasis? Why don't you agree with it? Did you read any of their filters? Seems like you don't care too much who gets lynched. Is this what we should expect from you all game? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it. @Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand. @TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. | ||
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##Vote: Timeaisis | ||
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... right GMarshal/redFF? | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:20 TheToast wrote: Nope. I've made my points clear and I think some of your posts speak for themselves. No point in responding to you further, you are just going to turn them back on me with absurd arguments to further muddy the waters. I'm unsure where you have gotten this assumption that one of the two is getting lynched. This smells like scummy railroading. If you want to lynch Timeasis, you are going to need my vote, which you are not going to get. Bluelightz earlier defense of Sentinel made it pretty clear he wouldn't be voting for him. So if you want to lynch Sentinel, you are going to need both Vilonis and BaronFel to switch over. It seems unlikely to me that you are going to get BaronFel given how much of a lurker he's been. In that likely situation, you are again going to need my vote. Unless someone can come up with some really convincing arguments or analysis against Sentinel in the next few hours I'm not sure you will be voting for him either. I'd prefer to lynch day 1, but I would rather see a no lynch instead of a townie lynched. The fact that we are being forced into picking from Sentinel or Timeasis when prplhz and bluelightz are oozing scummy-ness (something to which several people in this thread have agreed to) has me pretty worried. Why don't you want to point out the logical fallacies I am making that makes me scum? Why is "you are using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeaisis being town" an "absurd argument"? I think it that logic is so sound that you can't in any way refute it and that's why you don't want to address it. Do you really suspect that there can be a third candidate today? Then why aren't you pushing Bluelightz any harder? I'm wanting people to consolidate because it's friday and it's a game where people haven't been extremely active which makes me think that it's hard to get people to actually switch to a third candidate which makes me think that trying to switch to a third candidate will just lead to a no-lynch which I don't really want. Guys, up until now EchelonTee and I have pointed out several flaws in Timeaisis' play, which makes him scummy, and in TheToast's defense of him, which makes it invalid. Okay my take on the [UoN]Sentinel lynch. First Nisani201 voted him off the shabbiest analysis ever, "He was the second person voting for somebody else, thus he is scum.". I mean seriously what the fuck? Guy didn't post ever since. Next time something happens is this post: On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote: Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel This vote is based on [UoN]Sentinel thinking that there might be a vigilante and a hedonist in this game. Scum don't know blues and do you really think that [UoN]Sentinel would make a scum slip like that? I have never ever seen a scum slip like that, like anything, scum slips are pretty much a myth perpetuated by scum because they give scum an allegedly semi-legitimate reason to vote for somebody. They don't exist and I have in 20 games never seen anybody do a real scum slip. This is not saying that mzerg is chaos by the way, he might just have been sucked in by the myth. Additionally he says that he actually doesn't think that [UoN]Sentinel is scum, he's just his biggest suspicion. Now give me the case on [UoN]Sentinel because this "scumslip" into bandwagon is plain stupid. Tons of people voting because of emotions like EchelonTee correctly pointed out (I like that guy), you vote on arguments not because I voted you and now I'm not voting [UoN]Sentinel. You guys need to read the thread and vote with your brain and not with your guts. EchelonTee made an excellent case, read it and tell me why it's worse than that case mzerg just made. You can't because it isn't. | ||
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Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel? That goes for everybody by the way You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis. | ||
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On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote: Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role? I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia. Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see. Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum. Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis. | ||
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