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On January 29 2012 09:42 Oneshoteagle wrote: /in as a newbie and I'm don't have any posts because one of my friends just told me about tl mafia so I actually had to create an account. Never too late to start. TL Mafia gets your post count through the roof if you're an active participant, so it'll get you cred on other places in the site too. | ||
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As for D1 lynch, sometimes we get lucky and someone paints themselves red, then lynch lynch to victory  | ||
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We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed. I'm sold. ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway. Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose. Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2. Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen. Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. | ||
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And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with. Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case. | ||
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On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote: Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Alright, I'll explain the Hedonist bit. My train of thought revolved around using detectives to check suspicious players, which goes to nil if the Hedonist can just target the same player, so either he's scum and gets saved or he's not scum but is under suspicion. For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction). And what I'm saying is that Day 1 mislynch (after confirmation) is worse than Day 1 no lynch. At least in no lynch we spare a potential townie. Given that you're following the vote on me from Nisani's same train of thought (and completely ignoring Messrs. Bluelightz and prplhz), I could use the same argument on you. And time, I just saw you declare bandwagoning. You're next on my suspicion list after Sinensis. Time to nap. | ||
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On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis | ||
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On February 03 2012 10:05 Sinensis wrote: Where'd you do that? Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now? Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch. On February 03 2012 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Alright, I'll explain the Hedonist bit. My train of thought revolved around using detectives to check suspicious players, which goes to nil if the Hedonist can just target the same player, so either he's scum and gets saved or he's not scum but is under suspicion. For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction). And what I'm saying is that Day 1 mislynch (after confirmation) is worse than Day 1 no lynch. At least in no lynch we spare a potential townie. Given that you're following the vote on me from Nisani's same train of thought (and completely ignoring Messrs. Bluelightz and prplhz), I could use the same argument on you. And time, I just saw you declare bandwagoning. You're next on my suspicion list after Sinensis. Time to nap. I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point. | ||
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On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: [/b]so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today. Timeaisis: Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis! I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this. Then he says: Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first. Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. "Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers." Sinensis: You however have not voted logically all game And you voted me for going to school. There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three? Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion? And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context. Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem. And lastly, Toast: We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. 50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:04 GMarshal wrote: I know its probably not an actual bet, but as a reminder, rule #9 reads Cheating is considered: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. So please ^_^ Yeah, it was a joke, I was trying to drive the point home (and I don't see any in-game benefits from the money itself). But thanks for that. | ||
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Anyways, I'd like to make a personal request. I'm at 5 votes, if I get 6 and you want to be the seventh, please extend it for another 4 hours or so, so I can make one last defense when I get back. In other words don't kill me just yet, just post a reason why and put FoS on me or something, and I'll address as much as I can when I get back. And for once, I agree with Timeaisis: Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him. | ||
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There was one somewhere who posted "I think GM wouldn't have set Time as mafia for balance reasons", I think now that we've gotten that out of the way I'm pretty much 100% on Time (no pun intended). Now that the votes are off me, I need to get some sleep. Other than a 3-hour nap yesterday I haven't gotten any sleep in the last two days and I can't think anymore. | ||
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Rather mislynch a possible mafia (because let's face it, we're not all HIV-positive about Time being scum, but it's still pretty likely), even if we get into that sticky predicament that I predicted oh so long ago, than no lynch and sit on our thumbs instead. Pulling two votes off of Time right now is risky, because it would cast suspicion on the two that do it. If the two mafias already bussed Time, then they're going to stay that way, and I think if someone just decided it wasn't worth the lynch, and then one of the mafias put in another vote, those two people would be suspected of collaborating as scum, and Time probably would be too. Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that. Hedonist Timeaisis means easy win for town, makes our detective that much stronger since there's pretty much nobody to block him from checking suspicious people. Unless, of course, mafia gets lucky and either finds him or shoots him. Other mafia is still good for town and can take away that power from mafia (unless he's goon, then it's another warm scumbody town can dispose of). In this case Detective just has to be smart, and check people who the scum wouldn't target with their hedonist. EZ. | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum. That's not very nice! | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:42 Sinensis wrote: When your motives are self preservation as a town member, arguments or comments on cases are pretty intuitive. When you refuse to listen to reason, arguments on others' cases become nonsense. | ||
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Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role? I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. This has been proven false, and you're using the argument Time already overused (he's new). What's he going to say that's going make 6 of us change our votes? I can't think of anything. In my mind he already slipped up and is the most obvious choice for scum. On a scale of 1 to Fe, how much irony does this statement contain? I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum. I think Sinensis is the one being emotional. He's been grilling me, prplhz and Blue, and ONLY us 3 this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think he isn't scum... for now. Also, Sentinel is going down in threat level to me as time passes, still suspicious though. You've addressed me as nothing but "scum" this entire page. You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis" Yes, it's not like we haven't made 20+ posts between the two of us justifying why Time could be scum. | ||
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I wouldn't be worried if I were you. | ||
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On February 04 2012 15:44 Sinensis wrote: Eight people voted for Timeaisis, four for Bluelightz. There were 9 townies and 3 scum. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Bluelightz (4): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206 1. If TheToast, Me, or sinani206 are scum, it means mafia split their votes between Bluelightz and Timeaisis. 2. I believe that TheToast and sinani206 are town because they were the only other people in this game, aside from me, who didn't just try to kill an innocent person (Timeaisis) based off a fast forming illogical mob of votes against him. 3. Given that I believe TheToast and sinani206 are town, I must also believe that all mafia members voted for Timeaisis. Illogical? We're giving more evidence than you, and you're not even trying to come up with counterarguments other than "It's not logical" and "These people are scum for voting Timeaisis". And like mderg just said, it was the strongest case of the two (or three if you count Bluelightz) 4. If all mafia members voted for Timeaisis it means they used a strategy of trying to incriminate a noob based on faulty "scum slips," just like prplhz said a more experienced scum would try to. Coincidence? Umm... that is a common tactic. I'm a noob and I know how to do that. In fact it was so nooby that I suspected Timeaisis of doing that with his vote on me. 5. I am noob too and had a similar bandwagon of votes form against me much earlier, by the same people who went after Timeaisis and got him lynched: prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel. What was that about you playing a game 2.5 years ago? TL;DR - With your current set of arguments I'm growing rather suspicious of you. | ||
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Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider? Sinensis made a similar comment. prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum. I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him. Next up: but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched? I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him. Keep thinking that, see where it gets you Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily. | ||
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How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up? Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale? | ||
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The only noticeable thing he did was vote for Bluelightz, which would be weird to throw him under the bus when the Bluelightz lynch wasn't being too discussed over. For now, I'll save my vote. | ||
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Voting for this idiot. | ||
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My vote is because in spite of the overwhelming evidence, until someone else claims vigilante, prplhz is 100% town. Sinensis still thinks prplhz is scum despite this, hence I think his decision is extremely stupid. | ||
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On February 05 2012 13:53 Sinensis wrote: Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro.  Glad to hear it what happens in mafia stays in mafia... and to anyone else whose ass I ride this game, we can all be friends after game ends. | ||
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On February 05 2012 14:13 Sinensis wrote: Because holding out on it is going to help us, right? Precisely. | ||
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Anyways, Bluelightz, if you don't want to get lynched I want to see some in-depth analysis of as many accusations as you can, otherwise I'm voting you too. @Nisani since the "confirmed town" is investing so heavily in my defense, I think that explanation for me being scum is gone. | ||
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On February 06 2012 12:15 prplhz wrote: @[UoN]Sentinel I'm considering if I should push your lynch just for all the stupid shit you've said, from "I will now treat you as confirmed town because you helped in my defense" to "the confirmed townie thinks I'm townie so I'm clearly townie". One premise is a misconception, the other is plain wrong, and the conclusions cannot even be arrived at from the premises. I don't recall you saying anything remotely this stupid in Hammer Mini Mafia, why are you doing it this game? I'm dicking around because it's the weekend, so I don't feel like working. Next morning I might be helpful if you guys bring something nice to the table for me to jump on. And I've been doing a lot of work these two days, so I'm actually contributing to the inactivity, hypocrisy for the win In 6 hours or so I will wake up and contribute analysis, IF someone actually posts reasons, logic, etc. Because honestly page 17 was 3 guys arguing between each other, and there's at least 3 lurkers on this thread. | ||
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My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz I've read the three filters of the dead people: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Sinani as scum wants someone gone so he'll push whoever has more votes forward to thin out numbers. But then he says the bandwagon was "too fast-forming to be legitimate" on Timeaisis, and switches his vote... to Bluelightz. I find it odd that if a scum player is up for lynching and he's in third place, another scum would bus him like that. Vilonis was a weird one. He really hated Nisani201 up until he said "Timeaisis is guilty, Sentinel and Bluelightz are innocent" and then switches that to "prplhz and Bluelightz are guilty, TheToast is innocent" with absolutely no logic to transition the two (other than that Toast voted innocent on Timeaisis). But then he flipped town. I think this was just bandwagoning on Timeaisis, since his logic consisted of links to Nisani's posts. On February 05 2012 08:44 Vilonis wrote: I'm not going to analyse who I think is mafia, I am going to analyse why TheToast is town, why we should belive what he says that huge ass post he just made, and, therefore, why we should lynch Bluelightz and prphlz. First, his consistency. Everyone should read through TheToast's filter. He has been tracking and building up evidence against Bluelightz and prphlz the whole game. He didn't want to lynch Timeasis Example, In addition, he has done more helpful analysis than anyone else in this thread, and called out more poor analysis. The point of all of this? TheToast is right. If it is possible, he should be saved. He is the most obvious town right now. We should also keep an eye on Bluelightz and prphlz, and consider them strong lynch candidates. I think this was bandwagoning as well, since he just pretty much says "Toast is innocent because he didn't lynch a fellow townie, and this is who he thinks is mafia." And finally, Timeaisis, peace be upon him. He wanted a Bluelightz lynch for his inconsistency, then switched to me, caused a shitstorm, and then before he died voted Bluelightz. Bluelightz had something going for him like sinani up there. He didn't defend himself when sinani bussed him, but this could be just because someone else (Timeaisis) was already getting the axe so he didn't need to. And then he suggested mass roleclaim... best case scenario newbie mistake, worst case scenario he's trying to present targets that coule be nice and juicy to scumteam. If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him. If other blues revealed themselves, since that was the whole intent of the plan, the doctor can't save them all. He did say the medic could hide, but he couldn't save the vigilante or the veteran or the detective at the same time. Until then, ##Unvote: Sinensis because On February 02 2012 12:59 Timeaisis wrote: Well, I mean I want to hear from everyone before I vote. That's all. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. Wait... explain this please? I'm not visualizing how this works. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum. I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. His filter in Purgatory had nine pages. I saw #5 had lots of the list-posts he makes here, and #4? and #7 had the one liners. So he did a little of both. I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. All I can say is that sinani was unexpected scum, but I can't really address this in detail since I have to leave now. You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. | ||
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##Vote: Bluelightz I'm sorry, man. For the glory of the emperor. | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote: prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. The ultimatum was started by sinani206 before prp, no? | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:34 prplhz wrote: You the last scum [UoN]Sentinel? I wish I were. Maybe then I could have some fun. | ||
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It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote: omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- | ||
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On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum. prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up. Big FoS: sentinel On February 06 2012 04:38 Nisani201 wrote: It should have been implied, but since you asked nicely I'll give one to you. I'm suspicious of Sentinel because he's latching on this opportunity to lynch someone based on something that scum would never do but still seems stupid. On February 06 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote: Yes. I really don't think Bluelightz is scum. On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story. These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning. Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today. And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. So that leaves Echelon. TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:11 Nisani201 wrote: I haven't been pushing Sentinel because prplhz was pushing Sinesis. I didn't want to argue against a confirmed townie. The fact that prplhz was pushing Sinesis made me someone doubt is towniness which is why I didn't try to draw votes off of him. I'll make a case against Sentinel tomorrow though. Is that supposed to be "somewhat doubt his towniness?" And why would pushing Sinensis make you doubt his towniness? This isn't scumteam, townies don't know who the other townies are, so they go with their gut instinct. If five of us voted for Sinensis, worst-case scenario 3/7 townies thought he was guilty and said so by voting for him, and two scums who wanted to get rid of him. Personally I'd say 4/7 because I wanted to vote for him before Bluelightz came up. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote: Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make. I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. On February 08 2012 13:04 prplhz wrote: Cool enough. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start... ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFel | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:08 EchelonTee wrote: @Bluelightz why is everyone in the town green or null to you? It's obvious that your three null tells are the people you are suspicious of, but you don't seem keen on accusing them in any way. If you had to pick one person, who would you push? @Sentinel I thought your post was leading into a case on Nisani, but you sort of shifted the focus onto BF. I don't really follow your case; you say Nisani is lurking / not providing reasons, but pass over him in favor of BF, who you attribute the same reasons toward. You do state that "As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow.", but how does this make BF more suspicious? Basically I'm just wondering how you are distinguishing BF and Nisani, as atm you're applying the same characteristics to both. Still in classes, will put up meatier posts tonight. Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha I was going to lynch Nisani, and was going to say why he's a better lynch than BaronFel, but after a read through the latter's filter, I felt like I had more to argue for Baron and bought my own argument. I didn't delete Nisani's bit for stenographical reasons. Also, a lot of my voting has been reactionary. Timeaisis is voting for me and not good enough reason, I automatically assume he's scum and trying to bandwagon on a mislynch. I think I don't have enough to argue Nisani other than "he wants me dead" and "he REALLY wants me dead", unlike Baron who I have an impartial argument against. Maybe Nisani really IS scum, but he's got less chance of being one. | ||
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Sorry prplhz, no quadruple post for you. | ||
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Until then, to accelerate the process, ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: Sentinel I was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie. However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this: Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing. 1. Timeaisis was lynched for fluffing. Sinensis was lynched for semi-fluffing. Tell me, what was the alignment of these two players again? 2. This was a) a justification of why I voted the way I did, b) why a mislynch is worse than a no-lynch if we have absolutely no good leads, and c) I'm tired so I can't think of a hedonist-proof plan. His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis. His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else. This is the post that Nisani voted for Time as a result of: On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable). But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Notice something? Oh right, that's also the basis of my entire argument against Timeaisis (peace be upon). I made said argument, and many people either voiced their concerns or sided with/against me, before Nisani posted this pathetic analysis: On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to. Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him. ##Unvote Your justification is that in the 8 minutes you wrote your post you didn't know that everyone unvoted Sentinel. I think this is just trying to scoot out the back door because nobody else really had too much to ride me on. And a quick switch to Timeaisis to get him lynched. However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis I voted for Timeaisis and defended my vote, as well as my life, with many arguments. Nothing in this paragraph has been said before, other than the "overblowing" part. And that isn't overblowing. That's an argument. He posted it, moved on to defend himself for the other crap we were accusing him of. He later builds on the case with this post. This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak. Yes. A defense. Note that before Timeaisis (peace be upon him) got lynched, everyone wanted to vote for me! So what do you do to not get guillotined? Defend! Any analysis was also done as defense, or to counter people's arguments when I saw them as bullshit. Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie. The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death. Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason. "fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip. How in the name of the Emperor is that a scumslip? I was RED up until shortly before Timeaisis got lynched, I'm happy now because people now see me more as GREEN On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today. More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too. Those two sentences... I don't know if I should be laughing or punching something in anger. Probably the first since it will save me money and sanity. My "final defense" has a good chance of painting a big target on my back, I'm only going to do it if I'm slated for death already. As for the WIFOM, the conversation leading to that post went like this. Me: I'm bored, nobody's posting, I have nothing to analyze. Others: Well go analyze by yourself. Me: Okay, here's my thoughts on why they're this way. If you had a problem with this, then you should have said it right then and there instead of posting one liners about how much you want me to die. There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green). Makes my job a little harder, I'm quoting all of this, but it's manageable. On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town. Up to that point, I read your entire filter. Your "reasoning" in all of that filter was absolute shit. His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches. Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post. It's right under your commentary. Sorry for not putting the name, I thought it was kind of obvious when I said it right before the quote. Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFel The last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red. Reread my entire filter when I don't. On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: @Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis? Until then, to accelerate the process, ##Vote: Nisani201 This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons. Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel. Stupid as my reasons may be in hindsight, yours are already worse off. | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:12 prplhz wrote: No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one. Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan. Yeah, the first one was already too unbearable. | ||
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I was also the first to vote him today. | ||
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On February 03 2012 06:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am thinking FoS on Sinensis for reasons stated previously. And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with. Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case. "I am doc" Who I healed first night: On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Perhaps we are in fact wrong about Timeaisis, but... Rather mislynch a possible mafia (because let's face it, we're not all HIV-positive about Time being scum, but it's still pretty likely), even if we get into that sticky predicament that I predicted oh so long ago, than no lynch and sit on our thumbs instead. Pulling two votes off of Time right now is risky, because it would cast suspicion on the two that do it. If the two mafias already bussed Time, then they're going to stay that way, and I think if someone just decided it wasn't worth the lynch, and then one of the mafias put in another vote, those two people would be suspected of collaborating as scum, and Time probably would be too. Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that. Hedonist Timeaisis means easy win for town, makes our detective that much stronger since there's pretty much nobody to block him from checking suspicious people. Unless, of course, mafia gets lucky and either finds him or shoots him. Other mafia is still good for town and can take away that power from mafia (unless he's goon, then it's another warm scumbody town can dispose of). In this case Detective just has to be smart, and check people who the scum wouldn't target with their hedonist. EZ. (I can't think of a legitimate analysis/argument/support that starts with Z.) "prplhz". I actually switched to Toast for a while, which is why I later kept telling him to chill, then back to prplhz. On February 05 2012 13:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Well, Sinani's filter doesn't really incriminate anyone. The only noticeable thing he did was vote for Bluelightz, which would be weird to throw him under the bus when the Bluelightz lynch wasn't being too discussed over. For now, I'll save my vote. Not really a secret, but I was suprised sinani was a scum and prplhz shot him for this. And I did one for toast for night two. On February 07 2012 20:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning. Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. So that leaves Echelon. TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him. Doing this all because: On February 06 2012 19:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him. And a last hint in my argument vs. Nisani: On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie. [quote]On February 10 2012 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.[quote] | ||
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##Vote: BaronFel Since there was concern that I'm working with him, this should at least cut down something. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:06 EchelonTee wrote: =/ I feel like an idiot for drawing it out of you, but your veiled blue claim was pretty obvious when you said "I have my final defense ready if it comes to it". I was never planning on hammering you for that reason, unless you were last man standing or some weird wifom nonsense happened. Well, I had 4 votes on me with 10 minutes to go, obviously the veiled claim wasn't enough or I've been really fucking up these last few days. Hopefully it's the first one | ||
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Tonight I'll do my best to block, but I think one of those three suspicious will die tonight since I won't be trying to heal them. So the only thing I'm really scared of is mafia delaying their vote, since I don't know if my target gets hit (nor does he) they could make it look like it worked and then double kill the next day. | ||
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As for "us", let's see... who else was Nisani arguing against Day 3? | ||
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Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced. Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. | ||
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I mean he makes retarded posts, but Timeaisis (peace be upon him) did that too and now look where he was. | ||
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1 win as town, 1 loss as town, 1 ongoing. Neutrality is fucking awesome. | ||
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