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On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:SentinelI was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie. However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this: Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing.
1. Timeaisis was lynched for fluffing. Sinensis was lynched for semi-fluffing. Tell me, what was the alignment of these two players again?
2. This was a) a justification of why I voted the way I did, b) why a mislynch is worse than a no-lynch if we have absolutely no good leads, and c) I'm tired so I can't think of a hedonist-proof plan.
His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote:
Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote:
Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else.
This is the post that Nisani voted for Time as a result of:
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Notice something? Oh right, that's also the basis of my entire argument against Timeaisis (peace be upon). I made said argument, and many people either voiced their concerns or sided with/against me, before Nisani posted this pathetic analysis:
On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to.
Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him.
##Unvote
Your justification is that in the 8 minutes you wrote your post you didn't know that everyone unvoted Sentinel. I think this is
just trying to scoot out the back door because nobody else really had too much to ride me on. And a quick switch to Timeaisis to get him lynched.
However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis
I voted for Timeaisis and defended my vote, as well as my life, with many arguments. Nothing in this paragraph has been said before, other than the "overblowing" part. And that isn't overblowing. That's an argument. He posted it, moved on to defend himself for the other crap we were accusing him of.
He later builds on the case with this post. Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote:
so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today.
Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this.
Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers."
Sinensis:
You however have not voted logically all game
And you voted me for going to school.
There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion?
And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem.
And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak.
Yes. A defense. Note that before Timeaisis (peace be upon him) got lynched, everyone wanted to vote for me! So what do you do to not get guillotined? Defend! Any analysis was also done as defense, or to counter people's arguments when I saw them as bullshit.
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.
Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote:
##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Sinensis
There is also another post that I find interesting. Here it is.
Voting for this idiot. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say? "fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip.
How in the name of the Emperor is that a scumslip? I was RED up until shortly before Timeaisis got lynched, I'm happy now because people now see me more as GREEN
On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today.
More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too.
He makes this post which is full of WIFOM goodness.
Those two sentences... I don't know if I should be laughing or punching something in anger. Probably the first since it will save me money and sanity.
My "final defense" has a good chance of painting a big target on my back, I'm only going to do it if I'm slated for death already.
As for the WIFOM, the conversation leading to that post went like this.
Me: I'm bored, nobody's posting, I have nothing to analyze.
Others: Well go analyze by yourself.
Me: Okay, here's my thoughts on why they're this way.
If you had a problem with this, then you should have said it right then and there instead of posting one liners about how much you want me to die.
There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green).
Makes my job a little harder, I'm quoting all of this, but it's manageable.
On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town.
Up to that point, I read your entire filter. Your "reasoning" in all of that filter was absolute shit.
His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Show nested quote +I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches.Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post.
It's right under your commentary. Sorry for not putting the name, I thought it was kind of obvious when I said it right before the quote.
Show nested quote +I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFelThe last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red.
Reread my entire filter when I don't.
On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
@Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201
This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons.
Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel.
Stupid as my reasons may be in hindsight, yours are already worse off.
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I'll be back around 8 to see what's up.
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Bluelightz did you even read my counterargument?
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On February 10 2012 11:12 prplhz wrote:
No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one.
Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan.
Yeah, the first one was already too unbearable.
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I have only sided with Baron as of recent, and only because I believe Nisani's logic sucks.
I was also the first to vote him today.
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keep trying.
how about Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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oh i fucked up too lol
but you finally got it
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I've been claiming doctor whole time via stenography, maybe the mafia roleclaim thing gets in the way, but here's points for consistency.
On February 03 2012 06:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am thinking FoS on Sinensis for reasons stated previously.
And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with.
Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case.
"I am doc"
Who I healed first night:
On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Perhaps we are in fact wrong about Timeaisis, but...
Rather mislynch a possible mafia (because let's face it, we're not all HIV-positive about Time being scum, but it's still pretty likely), even if we get into that sticky predicament that I predicted oh so long ago, than no lynch and sit on our thumbs instead.
Pulling two votes off of Time right now is risky, because it would cast suspicion on the two that do it. If the two mafias already bussed Time, then they're going to stay that way, and I think if someone just decided it wasn't worth the lynch, and then one of the mafias put in another vote, those two people would be suspected of collaborating as scum, and Time probably would be too.
Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that.
Hedonist Timeaisis means easy win for town, makes our detective that much stronger since there's pretty much nobody to block him from checking suspicious people. Unless, of course, mafia gets lucky and either finds him or shoots him. Other mafia is still good for town and can take away that power from mafia (unless he's goon, then it's another warm scumbody town can dispose of). In this case Detective just has to be smart, and check people who the scum wouldn't target with their hedonist.
EZ.
(I can't think of a legitimate analysis/argument/support that starts with Z.)
"prplhz". I actually switched to Toast for a while, which is why I later kept telling him to chill, then back to prplhz.
On February 05 2012 13:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Well, Sinani's filter doesn't really incriminate anyone.
The only noticeable thing he did was vote for Bluelightz, which would be weird to throw him under the bus when the Bluelightz lynch wasn't being too discussed over.
For now, I'll save my vote.
Not really a secret, but I was suprised sinani was a scum and prplhz shot him for this.
And I did one for toast for night two.
On February 07 2012 20:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning. Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason  Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote:
I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes)
This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. So that leaves Echelon. TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him.
Doing this all because:
On February 06 2012 19:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him.
And a last hint in my argument vs. Nisani:
On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
[quote]On February 10 2012 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.[quote]
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messed up that last quote tag.
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Fair enough.
##Vote: BaronFel
Since there was concern that I'm working with him, this should at least cut down something.
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We just voted red, could you please count it?
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I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING
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Technically we both posted at 12:00 so yeah
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Anyways, I'm off to shower, I'll read everything once I get back.
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On February 10 2012 12:06 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING =/ I feel like an idiot for drawing it out of you, but your veiled blue claim was pretty obvious when you said "I have my final defense ready if it comes to it". I was never planning on hammering you for that reason, unless you were last man standing or some weird wifom nonsense happened.
Well, I had 4 votes on me with 10 minutes to go, obviously the veiled claim wasn't enough or I've been really fucking up these last few days. Hopefully it's the first one
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Anyways, I have a free day tomorrow, and my Saturday is also clear, so I'll add as much as I can those two days.
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